That time of year again! Bulking time!

[flagnorfail]

gonna be starting my bulking cycle here within the next two weeks! pretty stoked about it not gonna lie! gonna try and put on about 20lbs or more and keep it all but if i loose a few, ill be happy with a solid 15lbs though. cycle and stats are as follows:

Age 26
6'
193lbs
6-7%bf
training for 5 years, 3 natty

Cycle:
1-12 test-e 250mg 2 times a week (Monday and Friday)500mg overall
1-10 Deca 200mg Twice a week. (Monday and Friday)400mg overall
1-4 Dbol 30mg every day spread out
1-4 Forged liver and Krill-Ts
1-4 HCGenerate 3 cap am 2 caps pm
4-8 Hcg 500ius twice a week Monday Thursday
8-12 HCGenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
6-12 Prami .5mg every day
6-12 Aromasin 12.5mg every other day
12-18 forma-stanzol 7 pumps am and 5 pumps am for the first 4 weeks then taper down to 4 pumps am and 3 pm for the last 2 weeks.
12-16 Unleashed/postcycle combo. 1 cap 3 times a day of each.
12-16 NTBM-DAA 1 full serving every day.
16-20 Bridge 1 cap 3 times a day

Have been tweeking it here and there making a few adjustments and prolly still not done. Mostly on the starting dates of the ai( never liked looking like a blow fish) and the prami.

Ive considered upping the prami to .25 and running it through the entire cycle through pct but deca usually dosent hit me until about week 5-6 but then again, ive got a girl now and have to keep the mrs happy. Have heard that prami has some pretty sweet effects on the libido i used caber on the last go around so this will be my first run with the prami for my rats.. anybody have any issues with this or the dosage? preferb people who have used it and not just "read" about it.

also, decided to substitute clomid for forma-stanz since it has both suicide aromatase inhibitors and natural selective estrogen receptor modulators in it.

I just had blood work done a week ago so im waiting on the reply from my doc to see whats up with everything. Im sure a lot of you read my review on N2BM's Need2Slin and the outcome was great, so im going to test out the HCgenerate, forma, forged liver, krill, and post/unleased. ive been a big fan of clomid for a couple years and used it with all of my cycles until now. If you havent read Needtoo's post about all natty pct then i would highly recommend to anyone to read it. Might change a few minds for the peeps who love clomid like myself. i do have clomid on hand as well as letro and arimidex. so i figured i would give his products a good test with blood work included after this cycle. plan on making another thread with a log of weeks.. might slack a little bc i work offshore but we will see.. any comments or recommendations are welcomed.. pretty stoked about this.. will finally break the 200 mark!

 

[oxymoron]

800mg of deca seems high bro. I'd run it lower for less progesterone issues.

 

[flagnorfail]

good catch.. i was meaning to put 400 all together. No way would i run 800mg of deca a week lol. I edited it though.. should be good to go now.

 

[bigjohn83]

Looks like a good cycle bro, it looks like you have everything you need in there I just started my bulk cycle too and am going all natty with the pct as well. Dropped the clomid and added forma in there same as you

 

[flagnorfail]

sweet bro. what are you running?

 

[flagnorfail]

Bump for any other advice. Starting Monday!

 

[flagnorfail]

^^ I fixed it captain obvious

 

[zwhit]

I'd take the dbol all at once an hour preworkout. But that's just my preference.

 

[joeblow12345]

Id start pct week 14. Run the clomid and forma to be safe. Clomid dose 25 mg day. From 10-14 blast hcg again. Id add daa in pct also. And after pct I suggest bridge.

NTBM REP

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I wouldnt start the HCG until you notice shrinkage. I know you'll have the Dbol in there working early but with long esters you should be able to get 4-6 weeks before you really see shrinkage (maybe sooner with dbol) but no point wasting your money on more HCG until you see you need it.

Are you suceptible to estrogen sides or alot of water retention? If not I might back that Aromasin off to twice a week and build up from there as needed. But obviously with the deca in there you want to keep estrogen in check so it doesnt help exagerate the progestin issues. Just my .02, I dont like an AI unless its totally necessary myself.

 

[flagnorfail]

sorry im just getting back to you guys! been out of service for the weekend.

Zwhit- ive always read that spacing the dbol through the day was better than all at once considering the half life is around 4-6 hours and to keep the blood levels consistant through the day. is there any difference with taking them all at once or same effect? would for sure be a convenience but not sure if it really matters or not

Joebloe- i have clomid on hand but have been reading and chatting with needtoo about his all natural ( ntbm products) as a pct to delete clomid. he seems to know his stuff for sure and gets a lot of cred as far as ive seen so im gonna try his stuff out and see where it takes me when the time is good for pct. I will also get ahold of some of the daa power chews closer to that time and i have bridge as well.. not sure if i put it in there or not.. think i did?

burnthiscorpse- bro, im highly acceptable to estrogen sides AND water retention. found this out my last go around with deca ( first time with dbol though) as i looked like a blonde haired blow fish.. hell my second week, my nips hurt but then again, i had some strong shit! even when im off, if i even got a lick over my max amount of soduim, i can tell i start retaining water.. then again it may just be in my head considering i see myself as a fat ass ( used to be, also keeps me motivated to never be at that point again in my life) I aslo dont like adding in the AI but then again, i sort of have too.. reason being i say i dont like adding it, not that ive tried it without it, but ive read a pretty good amount of threads saying that AI's can hinder gains. now if this is true or not, im not sure, but ill be safe than sorry ya know?

thanks for all the advice guys! tomorrow is the big day!!

 

[Nelson Montana]

I wouldnt start the HCG until you notice shrinkage. I know you'll have the Dbol in there working early but with long esters you should be able to get 4-6 weeks before you really see shrinkage (maybe sooner with dbol) but no point wasting your money on more HCG until you see you need it.

Are you suceptible to estrogen sides or alot of water retention? If not I might back that Aromasin off to twice a week and build up from there as needed. But obviously with the deca in there you want to keep estrogen in check so it doesnt help exagerate the progestin issues. Just my .02, I dont like an AI unless its totally necessary myself.

I agree with this.

I'd also start PCT sooner. And in the end, bulking is about the amount of food you eat. By the time you're into PCT, the water weight from Deca will be gone.

 

[flagnorfail]

roger that! I believe im taking in somewhere between 4500 cals a day. pretty rough so far but once i get used to it, im sure ill cope just fine! today was the first pin! everything went very smoothly. I will for sure keep an eye on the boys and when the time is right, ill start the hcg. Thanks for all the input fellas.. ill keep this thread updated every so often instead of making a new one on my progress!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Bro, when you say you are highly suceptable to estro sides and you found out with deca last time are you sure it wasn't from progestin sides? Just trying to possibly sort out and seperate here. Have you run test alone before without issue? If you had the problem with deca then likely it was just that....the deca. Did you run any caber or anything for the deca sides? Deca bloated me like a balloon too. Itchy nips can be from deca too although for deca's nasty side to really thrive it does require an estrogen rich environment in the first place ie: taking test with no ai and being suceptable to estro sides. (this just compounds the shitty parts of deca)

So what I'm wondering is if its just the deca not the test. You gots ya have caber bro! Yes too much ai will lessen gains. But if its needed its needed.
If your genetically predisposed to retaining a lot of water from sodium then I would say you could control that better with diet adjustments.

 

[flagnorfail]

ya know, thats a good question.. i have run test alone before and didnt really have any sides with it but i also ran an AI along side it so it very well could be the deca, maybe even a little of the test as well.. oh yea! ive got caber too, 60ml of it lol. i used it last go around.. giving prami a shot this time.. good to know too that too much ai will hinder gains, but like you said.. if its needed then its needed.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Your problem is likely the deca from everything you have given us. Why not run something else?

 

[flagnorfail]

havent really ventured out enough or done any research on any other bulkers besides deca.. just know it works and have stuck with it from the get go.. not really one just to up and try something without knowing a lot about it. the water retention dont bother me, just as long as i keep the estro and prolactin in check im all good.. hopefully within the next couple days ill start to go up in stregnth from the dbol.. havent had any back pumps or massive strength gains but then again, im only on day 4..

 

[flagnorfail]

just figured i would update this thread to give you guys some updates on my progess... so far im up about 16lbs going into week 7.. the first four weeks were absolutely horrible.. i will probably never touch d'bol again... the back pumps were out of this world.. got too the point were i had to take about 6 ibprofen before lifting.. dead lifts and squats were horrible.. but my strength is through the roof! seeing some really nice gains.. started my hcgen on week 4 bc the boys started to shrink on me.. btw, that stuff is amazing.. they are hanging and nice and plump just like they shoudl be.. although still a little small, but still.. started prami on week 5.. was getting weak errections and just felt blaahh.. prami is some wicked stuff.. first couple nights, i couldnt sleep worth a shit, crazy dreams, and was tired all the time.. lasted about 3 days and now after i take it, im out like a light.. havent really had too many sides yet.. just holding water like its nobodys business...other than that, everything is going smoothly!! preciate all the feedback bros!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Just watch the blood pressure with all that water bro. Make sure you have a home unit. Get the fuck to the pharmacy and get one if you dont. Check your BP while sitting/resting at least 20-30 min to get a true resting BP. take it 3 times every time to get an average. Maybe you know/do all this but its my disclaimer. Water retention can be nasty.

 

[flagnorfail]

oh yea bro.. i do it daily.. have had some run ins with bp on the last go around.. i could litterally feel my heart thumping.. got so bad i couldnt sleep and had to start taking meds for it.. precitate ya lookin out for me bro!

 

[flagnorfail]

Well last pin was almost two weeks ago and I'm currently going into pct 20lbs heavier.. Can for sure start too see the gains I made since the bloat is starting too subside! Couldn't be happier.. If I can keep about 12-15 lbs ill be more than happy! Didn't have any complications on this cycle except for my ass swelling up like a balloon lol. Dunno what happened but I had a knot about the size of a can of soup lol. Just starting taking 800mg of ibuprofen and laying in a heat pad at night and it won't away within three days.. Time to start planning for my summer cycle! Preciate all the help bros!