Testosterone Levels

[Liquid 2009]

I am currently on TRT that consists of 200mgs every 10 days. I decided to take 1000mgs one week (don't ask) to boost up the levels a bit. I seen my doctor shortly after and she wanted to test my blood levels to see where I am at 7 days post injection.

Being that I took this higher dose, I didn't want that to effect my blood work and have her adjust my dose just because of that one shot. I decided to not take anything for a little over 3 weeks, then I ended up taking 100mgs and then having my blood work done a week later. I came in at 357ng! I did not think I would be that low. Which means prior to taking the 100mgs, I had to have been much lower. Trust me, I felt it!

Goes to show that T levels do not stay elevated for long periods of time as a lot seem to believe. I thought for sure I'd still come in high as well.

Thanks to Nelson for his advice.

 

[meathead96]

Doesn't surprise me 3wks is a long time for the test to clear the system.

 

[Liquid 2009]

That's what I thought as well but it seems others thought it would have been MUCH longer before it would regulate to more "normal" levels.

 

[icedemon]

If you figure half life at about 7 days and no shots after the 1000mg
Week 1: 1000
Week 2: 500
Week 3: 250
So by around week 3 it's going to be close to what you normal dose would be. Add in the 100mg and you probably had about 300mg in your system.

 

[stevesmi]

unfortunately even what you consider a low T level will continue to suppress your HPTA. it doesn't work like that where your T levels drop and magically your body knows to recover.. its gotta ALL be out of your system before your body picks up.

so it does take a solid 5-6 weeks for long estered test to completely clear enough where you can start recovering, a concept guys fail to understand and then bitch when they find out their LH is at 0 and cry that their pct didn't work. gotta give it a solid 3 months before you are recovered atleast. you don't just recover after 4 weeks and call it a day

i know that isn't the point of this thread but just in case some guys read this and assume that 2 weeks after their last shot "hey i feel great!! I'm recovered!! let me jump back on cycle!!"

 

[zedhed]

"TRT that consists of 200mgs every 10 days"
Just curious bro do you feel ups and downs, what ester is your TRT?
I would think on Enan or Cyp that would be too long between doses and you would get highs and lows.
I use the ester Decanoate and shoot every 14 days. I feel good, no ups and downs or highs and lows. But that ester has a halfe life is 14 days too.

 

[Liquid 2009]

"TRT that consists of 200mgs every 10 days"
Just curious bro do you feel ups and downs, what ester is your TRT?
I would think on Enan or Cyp that would be too long between doses and you would get highs and lows.
I use the ester Decanoate and shoot every 14 days. I feel good, no ups and downs or highs and lows. But that ester has a halfe life is 14 days too.

I do. It's Cyp. That's why she wanted to test my levels 7 days post injection to see where I'm at and if it should be adjusted. I was at 357 in the 7th day.

I wonder if an increase would help so its not as low on the 7th day

 

[RickRock13]

If you go based on half lives, its no wonder your test levels were at just under 400 after 3 weeks. Nothing new here. It still takes a full 5-6 weeks for all test to leave your system, and around 3 weeks post injection to get below normal levels like I always say to guys that think they are killing it in PCT when they still have ample test still in their system.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ exactly the body is producing nil so 400 is actually a high number. I will bet my left nut the OP's LH was at 0

that 400 is all foreign test

 

[Liquid 2009]

^^^ exactly the body is producing nil so 400 is actually a high number. I will bet my left nut the OP's LH was at 0

that 400 is all foreign test

I'm pretty sure it was. The week before I was feeling horrible. I had to have been extremely low.

I have to see the doctor tomorrow. Giving my current dosage and where I am at after a week.

Should I ask for an increase? In addition to going from 10 days to 7 days?

My point of stopping for the 3 weeks was not to clear all Test out of my system as I'm on TRT for life. It was more to bring it to around my TRT dosage so she didn't see it extremely elevated and changed up my dose.

 

[stevesmi]

I'm pretty sure it was. The week before I was feeling horrible. I had to have been extremely low.

I have to see the doctor tomorrow. Giving my current dosage and where I am at after a week.

Should I ask for an increase? In addition to going from 10 days to 7 days?

My point of stopping for the 3 weeks was not to clear all Test out of my system as I'm on TRT for life. It was more to bring it to around my TRT dosage so she didn't see it extremely elevated and changed up my dose.

well I am like zed in that if I was on the HRT route i would be on decaonate which would mean 3X per month injections every 10 days, hell every 15 days even might work to save an injection but i would have to experiment.. but since docs don't prescribe that i would stick to every 7 days.. i would play around with the dosages yourself and do bloods on your own, once you get a grasp of what works best for you then approach him and show him the data and I will bet he will do what you want.

docs typically don't want to hear you tell them how to do their job, but if you approach them nicely and bring some hard data to back it up they will put their tail between their legs and listen to you everytime. unless they have a really huge ego, in that case i would find someone else who will listen

HRT is no different than running a cycle to me because I only run long esters anyway so i have a good grasp of how often to inject and how much .. the only difference is i cycle off and don't just stay on.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Great info, thank you!

Have a question: obviously the weeks I was completely off I felt completely horrible. But right before I stopped, I was feeling great. Ever since I started back up I'm not feeling as I was. Is this because I need to build back up? Is what I felt before now my new "normal" and that's why I don't feel any different? But I feel so tired. I felt great. Aggressive

I was going to ask my doctor to give me B12. I need my energy levels to be extremely increased.

Any thoughts?

 

[icedemon]

You need to build back up. It can take 3 or 4 weeks to build backup if your shot is every 7 days. You really don't need B12 shots unless your blood tests show that your deficient on B12. If your not deficient on B12 and take the shots, your just pissing it away.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Thank you. I kinda figured that I needed to build back up of how I felt. But I did not think that 3 weeks off would not bring me to the point I have to build up to feel normal again.

I was only thinking of B12 because of possible energy increase. I never tested it but from what I read it seems to be beneficial.

 

[Liquid 2009]

How do you not have your body become tolerant to TRT?

 

[stevesmi]

PCT Calculator | Post Cycle Therapy Calculator check out this site.. forget your pct just put in the numbers and see your levels change

 

[Nelson Montana]

The amount of exogenous test "still in your system" is irrelevant. The body doesn't know where the test came from. .

As mentioned to Liquid, the notion that the test you took weeks ago is still active (according to some chart that's on the internet) is simply not true.

However, as Steve mentioned, that has NOTHING to do with being recovered. Taking any external hormones will compromise the body's ability to manufacture its own.

This is the shit I've been talking about for years and people have been arguing with me about it for years. They're going by what they heard or what they read or what they want it to be. I'm going by the facts.

And while we're at it, another myth is that "time on = time off. " 12 weeks off from a 12 week cycle is not enough to recover completely.

There's plenty more, but that's enough for now.

 

[Raptor67]

The amount of exogenous test "still in your system" is irrelevant. The body doesn't know where the test came from. .

As mentioned to Liquid, the notion that the test you took weeks ago is still active (according to some chart that's on the internet) is simply not true.

However, as Steve mentioned, that has NOTHING to do with being recovered. Taking any external hormones will compromise the body's ability to manufacture its own.

This is the shit I've been talking about for years and people have been arguing with me about it for years. They're going by what they heard or what they read or what they want it to be. I'm going by the facts.

And while we're at it, another myth is that "time on = time off. " 12 weeks off from a 12 week cycle is not enough to recover completely.

There's plenty more, but that's enough for now.

Can you elaborate more on the “time on time off" myth? I've never heard that before

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[Liquid 2009]

My doctor ended up going with 250 every 10 days.