Testing products

[Juice Authority]

This topic has been brought up before but I would like to put it back on the table for discussion (if the Mods here don't object). With all the new labs coming out of the woodwork and all these various lab reports surfacing on different products I think it would be helpful to the members here if there was a forum or a place on this site where members can view lab reports on specific brands and products. This forum can also be used for members to submit requests that a certain product be tested.

Now, how do we pay for this? Well, one way would be to start a donation pool for lab tests. Another would be for the members that are requesting a lab test be done on a certain product split the cost. The method of payment could be either WU or money gram for those who wish to remain anonymous or by credit card to those, who like myself, could care less.

Can EF facilitate this or are there legality issues that come up? I know it's not illegal to send samples to a lab to get tested. I have a few labs in mind that can provide this type of service and as I'm sure other people do as well.

Any thoughts, comments or ideas are most welcomed....

 

[Juice Authority]

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[Juice Authority]

Come on, anyone??

 

[babbabuee]

I think that's a great idea juice. You could basically have several people request testing of one product and the more there are, the cheaper it will be. Hell, you could have someone in charge of it also collect a couple bucks for his time, sounds fair to me. I am in full support of this suggestion of yours. Just let me know what I need to do to help make this a reality.

 

[Juice Authority]

I think that's a great idea juice. You could basically have several people request testing of one product and the more there are, the cheaper it will be. Hell, you could have someone in charge of it also collect a couple bucks for his time, sounds fair to me. I am in full support of this suggestion of yours. Just let me know what I need to do to help make this a reality.

Ultimately EF Sam or George would have to endorse the idea but hopefully this thread can at least provide a starting point.

 

[cbeaks]

I think it is a great idea also. I hope there is a way to make this happen. - cbeaks

 

[ace6921]

I'd certainly donate. I'm about to dump a hundred bucks to get one fucking amp of primo. tested.(btw, i'll post the results) Hopefully it's positive. If not then I'll just add that hundred to the load of cash I already spent on the shit. A lab donation fund is a great idea.

 

[Big BX]

I like the idea. But, I doubt a board can be involved. It is a business and the thing your proposing is illegal. Sending a CIII substance (w/o prescription) through the mail. The way it is cool. You want something tested, get it done yourself. I looked at it as I spent a lot on primo, $110 wasn't that much to find out if it was real.

JA what are you proposing we test? UG labs? Anyone in particular?

 

[Juice Authority]

I like the idea. But, I doubt a board can be involved. It is a business and the thing your proposing is illegal. Sending a CIII substance (w/o prescription) through the mail. The way it is cool. You want something tested, get it done yourself. I looked at it as I spent a lot on primo, $110 wasn't that much to find out if it was real.

JA what are you proposing we test? UG labs? Anyone in particular?

Mostly UG labs. I don't think we need to test QV, Upjohn, and other established pharmaceutical companies. EF wouldn't have to be involved in the actual sending of the sample to the lab. One of us could do that.

EF would potentially be the forum for gathering the information on what product is to be tested, collects the money from those interested in having it tested (minus their fee of course), sends the funds to the lab to have the product tested and then displays the results in a specific forum. There are also many lab reports floating around out there that we can complile and create an online database that could be part of this particular forum.

 

[satchboogie]

count me in!

 

[Johnny Cut]

i would also like people to find another lab to have stuff tested............

 

[Juice Authority]

Johnny -

I'll email you the contact info of a good reputable lab that you might want to use.

Do any Mods here have any thoughts, comments or suggestions on this?

 

[Juice Authority]

I agree. I am in, but the hardest thing, IMO, is getting people to actually send the money in.

I don't think so. Think about it. If someone really wants to get a specific product tested and now they have an option to do it at 1/10 the cost why wouldn't they? It costs anywhere from $75-120 dollars to have a prduct tested. That cost split between 10 or 15 is nominal and everyone benefits.

 

[Big BX]

Mostly UG labs. I don't think we need to test QV, Upjohn, and other established pharmaceutical companies. EF wouldn't have to be involved in the actual sending of the sample to the lab. One of us could do that.

EF would potentially be the forum for gathering the information on what product is to be tested, collects the money from those interested in having it tested (minus their fee of course), sends the funds to the lab to have the product tested and then displays the results in a specific forum. There are also many lab reports floating around out there that we can complile and create an online database that could be part of this particular forum.

I agree. I am in, but the hardest thing, IMO, is getting people to actually send the money in.

 

[JKerry]

i wouldn't have a problem throwing a couple bucks to the cause. as long as it's products that i have the potential to use.

jkerry

 

[Juice Authority]

Another thing guys...

If we have several people participating an equal amount of $$ to get this done we could actually get 10-15 products tested for the cost one would incur to get just one product tested assuming there are at least 10 to 15 people willing to through some money to the cause.

Normally it's one person that incurs the cost of getting a product tested then that person posts up the lab report and everyone benefits. This way if we all contribute we can get more tests done so if there a product that were interested in trying down the road we can make an educated, informed decision on whether or not to buy it. Usually you have to buy the product first then get it tested. By then, if the test comes back poorly you're not only the money you paid for the product, you're out the money it cost you to get it tested. That's a double wammy!

 

[SofaGeorge]

This idea has been floated MANY times in the past. It fails every time it gets running for the same reasons:

1. Fakes. The real TTykko cyp gets tested and gets a great review. Then the fakes hit the market with matching bottles.

2. Lot runs. Most UG AAS are made in very small runs... 1,000 bottles at a time. Most vet drugs are made in max 10,000 unit runs. If one LOT gets a great test... that does not indicate next months quality.

3. Selective testing. UG Labs chronically have a friend test a select bottle of their goods to insure a positive posted test.

4. Which product to test? Donation funds are always limited... and you've got 30 different donors all on different cycles wanting the $200 in the kitty to go towards testing their next cycle... but they are the only ones who want Brovel deca and IP masterone tested.

This is an idea that will eventually work. I'm not shooting it down. It will work when one site dedicates a significant resource to ongoing testing. It isn't going to happen with a bunch of posters chipping in their lunch money.

 

[Juice Authority]

This idea has been floated MANY times in the past. It fails every time it gets running for the same reasons:

1. Fakes. The real TTykko cyp gets tested and gets a great review. Then the fakes hit the market with matching bottles.

2. Lot runs. Most UG AAS are made in very small runs... 1,000 bottles at a time. Most vet drugs are made in max 10,000 unit runs. If one LOT gets a great test... that does not indicate next months quality.

3. Selective testing. UG Labs chronically have a friend test a select bottle of their goods to insure a positive posted test.

4. Which product to test? Donation funds are always limited... and you've got 30 different donors all on different cycles wanting the $200 in the kitty to go towards testing their next cycle... but they are the only ones who want Brovel deca and IP masterone tested.

This is an idea that will eventually work. I'm not shooting it down. It will work when one site dedicates a significant resource to ongoing testing. It isn't going to happen with a bunch of posters chipping in their lunch money.

sofa,

As always your input is appreciated. I do however feel that your points 1-3 can be avoided in its entirety and point 4 is definitely addressable.

1) Fakes. The real TTykko cyp gets tested and gets a great review. Then the fakes hit the market with matching bottles.

We would simply test of one of the TToyko Cyp products that are already in circulation.

2) Lot runs. Most UG AAS are made in very small runs... 1,000 bottles at a time. Most vet drugs are made in max 10,000 unit runs. If one LOT gets a great test... that does not indicate next months quality.

I don't see the value in testing vet drugs that are made by legitimate drug companies. This would pertain to UG labs only and the lab itself would not know that their product is being tested until after the test is performed.

3) Selective testing. UG Labs chronically have a friend test a select bottle of their goods to insure a positive posted test.

We would randomly decide on who sends the sample to the lab so it would be impossible to insure a positive result since the lab will have no knowledge of what vial/bottle is being tested.

4) Which product to test? Donation funds are always limited... and you've got 30 different donors all on different cycles wanting the $200 in the kitty to go towards testing their next cycle... but they are the only ones who want Brovel deca and IP masterone tested.

Instead of pooling the money in a "donation fund" the people who are requesting a certain product be tested would split the costs. EF can provide the platform for that discussion by simply posting a thread in the "lab request" forum and those that are interested in seeing the test results of that product would equally participate in the cost of getting it tested.

There is a solution here and it doesn't have to be so convoluted. When ordering from a UG lab, it's a crapshoot especially if it is a relatively new lab. The value proposition here is pretty straightforward and simple and I'm sure there would be plenty of people here that would want to see the lab report on a product before they spend their hard earned cash. It's like an insurance policy that you're actually getting what you're paying for. The fact that UG labs make products in small runs is all the more reason why we should get their products tested. The smaller the run the less margin for error.

 

[Citruscide]

I do see a problem with Elite Fitness's Endorsement of a AAS testing. At least from a legal standpoint... I mean, giving advice on cycles, explaining the effects and differences of the various anabolics is one thing... it is educational.

However, actually testing products and then posting results for people takes it a step further... if a member of the board were to do it, it wouldn't be an EF Endorsement, so to say, but rather, an individual (representing many?) who took time on his own to test AAS, preferably someone who lives in a country where this is legal?

Now, if a bunch of people wanted to pool together money to get various UG Labs tested, I wouldn't have a problem with that. And then people, after the fact, who wanted the results, could chip in. I don't think it'd be fair to the people who paid for everyone to get the results.

But as far as a forum which would be dedicated toward this... I'm not sure how I feel about it... on one hand, it is highly informative... it is information... but on the other hand, it is a more physical involvement than sheer information, because EF would be taking part in the "handling" of the AAS for testing purposes... rather than a 3rd party member.

With that being said... I also agree with SG's "batch" point... different batches yeild different results... however, batches do tend to be SOMEWHAT stable... there is much evidence to the contrary however.

The best testing usually comes from member usage... if 50 members are using a particular product and are getting dynamic results... it is usually a good indicator that the product is good. It is usually what I go by...

Hope this helps JA.

C-ditty

 

[wetback]

I would be willing ot kick in. $50-$100 is nothing if you know it's ligit.

How do you usually get it tested ??? Is it a mail order type of thing or a local pharm type thing ???

 

[Zyglamail]

Way too much liability for EF to be handling AAS. ANother problem that has reared its ugly head is with so many underground labs there is little or no quality control so one batch tested may be fine and another bunk.

 

[the urge]

I test almost all my gear- I know it gets expensive, but i just consider it a part of the expense of the cycle- it's real nice to KNOW what you got!! I guess just because a product can get a great review and then that company can pull the "bait and switch". If you test one product( company) and it turns out great, a year or so later they may be putting out trash knowing it will still sell because peole are still citing test results from a batch made a year and a half ago!!

 

[Juice Authority]

Way too much liability for EF to be handling AAS. ANother problem that has reared its ugly head is with so many underground labs there is little or no quality control so one batch tested may be fine and another bunk.

EF wouldn't be handling the AAS. Like I suggested earlier, one of us would send the sample to the lab to get tested. EF would simply handle the money end of it as far as gathering the funds those individuals who want a specific product tested and sending it off to the lab. I don't believe that would raise any legality issues plus it would be another way for the site to generate revenue.

 

[3ccEOD]

Great idea JA but Citruside does have a point.My question is this it is one thing to find out if said product contains the drug in question but does it cost more to find out how many mgs per ml of said product.Lets say we send a primo amp and it tests positive does it cost any more to find out if it is 100mgs per ml.Either way I will pay , just wondering how it is tested , for the drug for potency or both again great idea.

 

[Juice Authority]

Great idea JA but Citruside does have a point.My question is this it is one thing to find out if said product contains the drug in question but does it cost more to find out how many mgs per ml of said product.Lets say we send a primo amp and it tests positive does it cost any more to find out if it is 100mgs per ml.Either way I will pay , just wondering how it is tested , for the drug for potency or both again great idea.

For a set price you get the mg dosage and whether or not it contains the active ingredient it's supposed to.

 

[flexed1]

Don't think they would even handle the cash but maybe this could be sponsered by a lab and we would have a "savings account" that we would contribute to and than some products and they would than release the results. There would be a very big trust factor here on the lab and the handling of the funds. I knew ANSCI had this type of system amybe somebody here knows how it worked?

 

[Juice Authority]

Don't think they would even handle the cash but maybe this could be sponsered by a lab and we would have a "savings account" that we would contribute to and than some products and they would than release the results. There would be a very big trust factor here on the lab and the handling of the funds. I knew ANSCI had this type of system amybe somebody here knows how it worked?

Maybe this a question for Rick Collins.

 

[3ccEOD]

I am in either way,please PM me if the legalities of this issue stop it from happening the way you wanted it to.If not on a board there has to be some way we can work around this.Rick Collins please help!

 

[Jumpman3451]

Juice, this sounds like a great idea. I would be willing to donate to such a cause like this one.

Jumpman

 

[Mavy]

EXCELLENT IDEA!!!!

JA ... I think that this is a great idea. I really just dont know how well it will fly. I think that someone may have to start a new website dedicated to testing gear. This would be the solution I think. Could be a little business op. if anyone is interested.

Also ... If I owned an UG lab, I would have a lab test that goes out with every new batch of gear. How great would that be for a lab to do. They would stand out miles above the other labs. If they have to charge an extra buck per vial or something to cover the costs than who the fuck cares ... Im sure that most people would be happy to pay for this. For example ... your source could post something like this for your list...


All products by "whatever labs"

Enanthate ..... 10ml/200mgs .......---$
EQ...................10ml/400mgs........---$
Prop................10ml/100mgs........---$
etc etc .....

Then have this ...

Lab Test for above mentioned products

Batch - 108466
Batch - 104389
Batch - 394012
Batch - 984021

Have these all hyperlinked to the lab test. Then when you get your products, you just check your batch number, and find out that your Enanthate was 214.56mgs/ml then go and jab yourself with a nice smile on your face, thinking to yourself ... "I am using the best UG lab, they are on the ball because they test and arent scared to share the results from every batch they make."

I wish that they higher-ups behind these labs would post on these boards every now and then so we could shout these ideas to them. Its all about good customer service. This is a business that they are running (i know .. an UG one .. but still). Who would you rather buy from ... a lab where you could check your results or a lab where you have no idea?

I would love to get LFC/Quest tested. I know that they are good products, both personally, and from others experiences ... but still... your cant explain how much a lab test puts you at rest. Its just so satisfying. LFC has been out for over a year now, and there has not been 1 lab test as of yet ... not one! I think that labs should start to produce these.

Or like I said before ... where someone starts an independent site devoted to testing products and samples random batches of different UG labs.

Mavy

 

[Mavy]

The Quality Vet website has something like this idea if you go under their "batch numbers" check option.

As each batch it is released the results are released on their site.

Again this may have to be something that is randomely tested by someone that is not part of the lab.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: EXCELLENT IDEA!!!!

JA ... I think that this is a great idea. I really just dont know how well it will fly. I think that someone may have to start a new website dedicated to testing gear. This would be the solution I think. Could be a little business op. if anyone is interested.

Also ... If I owned an UG lab, I would have a lab test that goes out with every new batch of gear. How great would that be for a lab to do. They would stand out miles above the other labs. If they have to charge an extra buck per vial or something to cover the costs than who the fuck cares ... Im sure that most people would be happy to pay for this. For example ... your source could post something like this for your list...


All products by "whatever labs"

Enanthate ..... 10ml/200mgs .......---$
EQ...................10ml/400mgs........---$
Prop................10ml/100mgs........---$
etc etc .....

Then have this ...

Lab Test for above mentioned products

Batch - 108466
Batch - 104389
Batch - 394012
Batch - 984021

Have these all hyperlinked to the lab test. Then when you get your products, you just check your batch number, and find out that your Enanthate was 214.56mgs/ml then go and jab yourself with a nice smile on your face, thinking to yourself ... "I am using the best UG lab, they are on the ball because they test and arent scared to share the results from every batch they make."

I wish that they higher-ups behind these labs would post on these boards every now and then so we could shout these ideas to them. Its all about good customer service. This is a business that they are running (i know .. an UG one .. but still). Who would you rather buy from ... a lab where you could check your results or a lab where you have no idea?

I would love to get LFC/Quest tested. I know that they are good products, both personally, and from others experiences ... but still... your cant explain how much a lab test puts you at rest. Its just so satisfying. LFC has been out for over a year now, and there has not been 1 lab test as of yet ... not one! I think that labs should start to produce these.

Or like I said before ... where someone starts an independent site devoted to testing products and samples random batches of different UG labs.

Mavy

There already is one - sort of - www.basskilleronline.com.

What I find interesting here is that we have yet to hear from the owner of this site or the site admin on this issue. I even PM'd EF Sam for her comments. The revenue potential that this would create for this site is fairly significant given all the different UG labs and various products. Plus, it would be providing a very valuable service to its member base. If there are legality issues with respect to what i'm suggesting let's hear them. We have a attorney that's a moderator of this site that specializes in steroid law - Rick Collins - who hasn't chimed in either. I'd like his input on this as well.

 

[3ccEOD]

BUMP

 

[Juice Authority]

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