Testicle cancer DONE! low T- Trt?

[Profion9k]

Hey there guys
Long time no see, was an old member and avid user of elitefitness on another forgotten account! Well now im back, but my situation is alittle different. As the topic says i actually cought my situation quite early when the lump was quite tiny... but doctors were on crack what ever, told me it was nothing even though the picture showed some change! The specialist steered me clear from a biopsy as he was so known in the area and experienced that he was 100% sure... So i listen to the educated man, allthough i knew it from the start.. so 8month passed and i coudent hold it no more with the symptoms n such! I had surgery and chemo... 3xBEP
eventually the spreading was minimal... only a lymph was affect and on the 27 this month im having surgery to remove that deadlymph!

So my question is.. I feel as if i have low t levels, i have lost alot of size aswell as strength and my so once called "aggresion on life" is gone.. I feel worn out and tired, chemo has something to say here but i also believe the treatment might have smacked my hormones down.

- Do you guys know any other TCérs that went on TRT?
- Should i wait longer to see if my levels rise on their own?
- im 24years and was mega fit before.
- Im about to take a blood test to check out the my levels tomorrow, is there any certain hormones list i should ask for ?

Thanks

 

[stevesmi]

first step is get blood work before you jump to conclusions

second if you do have low T I would see a specialist and ask them about post testy cancer and the chances of your T restoring itself.

you bring up a good question but I doubt many on here have had experience with this.. from what I know this type of cancer is more common in young guys, pretty scary stuff

 

[hurricane]

you need bloodwork good friend before we can advise you if you should go on trt or not.

 

[Profion9k]

Yessir.. ill post up some pictures of me before and after! i tell ya without doubt, no one of ya hardcore asses would last a day in the world i was in... but when your in it, you have to fight through!!!


http://i61.tinypic.com/33bg55g.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/sdfnr6.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/35m01lw.jpg

After:
http://i57.tinypic.com/14ij1tv.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/2607pj4.jpg

Not only did i have Tc for 8months but i developed side-effects from it ikke :tinnitus, eyefloaters and a feeling of foggy brain/death! thats when the alarmclocks rang and i kicked the door in requesting reevaulation.. now the doctor has made a document lying about me saying i was mentally ill and my refusal of a biopsi might have been an act of selfdestruktion.

 

[hurricane]

Yessir.. ill post up some pictures of me before and after! i tell ya without doubt, no one of ya hardcore asses would last a day in the world i was in... but when your in it, you have to fight through!!!


http://i61.tinypic.com/33bg55g.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/sdfnr6.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/35m01lw.jpg

After:
http://i57.tinypic.com/14ij1tv.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/2607pj4.jpg

Not only did i have Tc for 8months but i developed side-effects from it ikke :tinnitus, eyefloaters and a feeling of foggy brain/death! thats when the alarmclocks rang and i kicked the door in requesting reevaulation.. now the doctor has made a document lying about me saying i was mentally ill and my refusal of a biopsi might have been an act of selfdestruktion.

keep fighting brother! you are a brave man

 

[Profion9k]

Tomorrow when going to the doc, are there a specific list of hormones i sould be asking for ?

 

[Profion9k]

I have to state that i throughout the months went "WHACK" yelling i had cancer and was always sushed apon by doctors telling me i was mentally stupid, since the specialist said it was nothing. When the side-effects started to arrive i said to everybody GOOD LORD it has spread!!! and then my familie even started to fight me... It was as if somebody was speaking through me, eventually when they did the surgery and CT-scan the doctors were like FUCK he was right???

Speaking to the chemo doctor, i asked him if the chemo would clear the tinnitus,eyefloaters,fog? he laughed and said no, and that C had nothing to do with those things.. eventually after first around everything cleard up and i dropped the knife! i actually woke up to a calm world without dark spots in my vision, i had gotten my life back!!! The first chemo returned my numbers to normal values, and when finished chemo.. They stated that by the blood work i was actually cancer free... i still have a surgery to remove the dead lymph wich will leave a scar of 15-20cm in the middle of my stomach.

Let me tell yall this: At 1month people with TC have spreading in organs and allover the body... Their markers would be 30.000 wich is a sign of heavy spreading
I had TC for 8months had minimal spreading and had markers at 300... doctors are like WTF this dude is either superhuman or very special! im just happy im here...

-When i recieved no help, i decided to take things into my own hand and cure myself
+ Became vegetarian only eating seafood and small amounts of proteindrinks
+ Began juicing fruit 1000ml a day or more
+ Green tea
+ Matcha tea
+ I eat all organic

^some how i dedicate my life to nature as i belive this was the reason i was able to hold on for so long and still be freaking strong!

 

[genomex]

Hey bro keep everything up! Sounds like You have a great handle on everything. I have some friends that actually got TC like yourself and started juicing something like 6x/day or somewhere around there and became vegetarian as well. After the first surgery/treatment failed to handle the TC, they began doing pretty much exactly what you did. After a few months of being strict with the juicing and diet, they went in for another test and it was completely gone. Obviously making those changes makes a massive difference when dealing with cancer. So keep it up bro! Its extremely unfortunate you got it at such a young age, but you look like you're dealing with it extremely well in those pictures. You don't look nearly as frail as most cancer patients. You look to be in a great state actually. Keep it up bro.

And now for the unfortunate news... This may not be true for everyone (hopefully it won't be so with you since you're so young), but I know after my father had TC and went into remission, anytime he touched T injections/treatments, his PSA shot WAY up. But he was also 57 or so when he was doing all this. This may not be the case for everyone, but I would be extremely careful. Go to a specialist and see what they say. Keep an extremely close eye on your PSA if you decide to start HRT. Hopefully this isn't the case for you bro. But just be careful. Unfortunately I've seen this with my own father... Goodluck man, I wish you the best of luck with everything.

 

[CheckFire]

Check total and free T, psa, estradiol and estrone, maybe dhea-s, adrenals. This in addition to standard CBC, lipids, and metabolic panels. Just my 3 cents (inflation)
Good luck buddy!

 

[Profion9k]

Thanks for the advice and the motivation guys! The pictures were taken right after my last treatment, and that was freaking killin me... Im looking way better now and have been to the gym
4days after chemo 60kg dead
15days after chemo 135kg dead
25days after chemo 175kg dead " Aint no one i know or heard of recoverying that fast, im running, swimming,talking, eating, juicenig and overall feeling freaking GREAT "

Does anyone mind explaining me what PSA is.. And yes ill be going for a full list of hormones! Goal is not to touch any medicine or unnatural stuff, as i believe and know C is a modern disease that is often ocomulated throughout months/years of poisioning! Our body actually develops C-cells everyday, but our immune system is able to kill them off by a progress called apoptosis... Apoptosis can be increased with a strong immunesystem, vitamins, antioxidants and an alkaline PH! Some fruits and vegetables actually contain cytotoxic key ingridence wich actually target C cells... I do believe that is the reason why i could go for so long with minimal spreading aswell as having so freaking low markers.... Doctors are freaking out, as they have no idea whats going on... Problem is they arent asking what i have been doing or why i think i developed TC wich i actually might know

But hey.. They give a shit... they research and the C-organisations pump millions of danish krons into stupid research in an area that is not going to change anything! If they asked me, and everyone else we might be able to find a red linie between all the TC develops and thereby conclude what the causes are "there are many" but im just saying...


These pictures were taken right before i got hit by the symptoms, so i still had the C... eventually this was my greatest shape as i was training towards my trip overseas. I had a job as personaltrainer in Spain, but that was taken away by the retarded doctor if only the fool had givin me the biosi back then! chemo,suffering and losses would have been evoided.

 

[Profion9k]

Can some one give me permission to post links for tinypics aswell as for my youtube channel. I think it would be interresting for you guys to see how i looked, and look.. the things i do and my workouts?

 

[Profion9k]

surgery was done 25.april and only have bloods after the testicle surgery:
Testosteron/shgb
28april 0.231
30april 0.422
normal range is 0.14 -> 1.1

Test,P
28april 4.85
30april 8.56
normal range is 8.4 -> 30

I assume that these numbers would way higher after a couple of days after! But i have to assume that the chemo has bunked em down alittle and thats why im doing a new test, to see where they be at.
These numbers were done before i started the chemo!

as for the test, p i assume its plasma??? its at the lower range, but yet again i think my body needed to recover

 

[genomex]

Check total and free T, psa, estradiol and estrone, maybe dhea-s, adrenals. This in addition to standard CBC, lipids, and metabolic panels. Just my 3 cents (inflation)
Good luck buddy!

Yes, I should have mentioned these as well. But it seems for TC patients the PSA is the most important thing to keep an eye on when messing with T treatments. BTW, I laughed at the inflation comment lol.

Thanks for the advice and the motivation guys! The pictures were taken right after my last treatment, and that was freaking killin me... Im looking way better now and have been to the gym
4days after chemo 60kg dead
15days after chemo 135kg dead
25days after chemo 175kg dead " Aint no one i know or heard of recoverying that fast, im running, swimming,talking, eating, juicenig and overall feeling freaking GREAT "

Does anyone mind explaining me what PSA is.. And yes ill be going for a full list of hormones! Goal is not to touch any medicine or unnatural stuff, as i believe and know C is a modern disease that is often ocomulated throughout months/years of poisioning! Our body actually develops C-cells everyday, but our immune system is able to kill them off by a progress called apoptosis... Apoptosis can be increased with a strong immunesystem, vitamins, antioxidants and an alkaline PH! Some fruits and vegetables actually contain cytotoxic key ingridence wich actually target C cells... I do believe that is the reason why i could go for so long with minimal spreading aswell as having so freaking low markers.... Doctors are freaking out, as they have no idea whats going on... Problem is they arent asking what i have been doing or why i think i developed TC wich i actually might know

But hey.. They give a shit... they research and the C-organisations pump millions of danish krons into stupid research in an area that is not going to change anything! If they asked me, and everyone else we might be able to find a red linie between all the TC develops and thereby conclude what the causes are "there are many" but im just saying...


These pictures were taken right before i got hit by the symptoms, so i still had the C... eventually this was my greatest shape as i was training towards my trip overseas. I had a job as personaltrainer in Spain, but that was taken away by the retarded doctor if only the fool had givin me the biosi back then! chemo,suffering and losses would have been evoided.

Bro... You've been going through freaking CANCER TREATMENT!!!! Most people are concerned with just living through cancer and battling the depression that generally accompanies it. You truly must feel fffaaaaarrrr better than the people that just go through conventional treatment... I can't believe that you feel good enough to be so concerned with your body lol. And bro, you actually look EXCELLENT in those pictures for what you had just gone through. Most people look like skeletons and/or complete shit after such treatments.

I'm honestly not just saying this to boost your confidence -- as I truly mean it -- but you'll be able to get back to where you are in no time bro. Just keep handling everything like a champ and don't try to rush anything.

Think of achieving your goal again as if you're re-visiting the same vacation destination again... You've done it before but try to enjoy it EVEN MORE this time because you know more about it than you did before.

Its truly incredible that your dead lift has been improving that fast so soon after the treatment bro. You've been killing it.

PSA = "Prostate-Specific Antigen Test". Its a test for the blood levels of a protein that's produced by your prostate. The higher the level, the greater the chance of having prostate cancer. Its generally checked periodically to ensure the patient is still in remission.

As I've already told you, I firmly believe you juicing and changing your diet is the reason you have been making such an incredible recovery. Keep that shit up bro!

surgery was done 25.april and only have bloods after the testicle surgery:
Testosteron/shgb
28april 0.231
30april 0.422
normal range is 0.14 -> 1.1

Test,P
28april 4.85
30april 8.56
normal range is 8.4 -> 30

I assume that these numbers would way higher after a couple of days after! But i have to assume that the chemo has bunked em down alittle and thats why im doing a new test, to see where they be at.
These numbers were done before i started the chemo!

as for the test, p i assume its plasma??? its at the lower range, but yet again i think my body needed to recover

You are correct regarding the "Test, P" test. Here is an excellent link regarding what is considered the "normal" range:
Reference ranges for blood tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those levels were tested immediately after the surgery... So of course the levels are far lower than where they would be after you've fully recovered. You should talk to you doctor and ask when he thinks you should get a test done to see your "true" T levels (how long after the last treatment he would suggest). Then go and get a test done.

I feel its worth noting that just because your T levels are within the "normal" range, doesn't mean they're "normal" for you. I believe there is a more specific range for different ages. For example, a 21 year old having 250ng/dl is FAR too low for him, whereas according to the "normal range", that would be considered fine. But 250ng/dl for a 80 year old man would be "normal". So be sure to go talk to a specialist concerning all of this after you get the results back.

 

[Profion9k]

Nature did save my life in many ways... We have started to go in a direction where everybody is consuming large amounts of crap, unnatural, medicine, and so on! And thats why the amounts of c patients is rising not falling.. we are nonstop creating gene modified foods, animals, medcine! Out body simply does not recondize the full molecyle as it is not found in nature... I hope that we are going into a diretion of change, where as we praise more on the natural products and enviroments our body actually was born to consume rather then a machinemade product.

Is there a specifik list i should ask for, i mean vitamins, minerals, hormones and such that i can show the doc.. so she can order that test for me? its all free here where i live.

 

[STTM]

First, congrats on beating cancer. I could never imagine going through that.

Second, the first thing you need to get done is bloods. I think I am the 10th person on this thread to say that.

Third, just because you only have 1 testicle, doesn't mean you will have lower testosterone. My best friend, and lifting buddy lost one of his balls in a leg press accident all the way back in high school. Him and I have been cycling on and off for the last 7-8 years. We always get bloods done, and he always recovers just fine and has higher test levels than me!

 

[Profion9k]

Thanks what a story.. losing a testicle on a leg press machine. hah

I was at the doc today requesting quite a big panel of tests:
fT3
fT4
rT3
THS 3 rd generation
tpo,
tgab
ferritin
SHBG
TT -total testosterone
bio-T
cortisol am and free
DHEA-S
vitamin D 25 oh
progesterone
DHT
prolactin
estradiol sensitive assay
CBC
CMP
B-12/folate serum

Doc kinda got pissed at me because she only thought that the "androgen hormones had any value for me" and i was like, i gotta know where my estrogene is at and so on... She replied estrogene has no value for you jesus good lord these docs are like retarded 99% of the time. In my case they were all wrong for so many months, and now she tries to tell me different again.. Whack on her

I will be calling the hospital to request full bloods, hormones, minerals, vitamins and so on... Eventually i feel fantastic, allthough tiredness sometimes kicks in!
The loss of muscle and how i look is what mostly affects me, its horrid! Its even more horrid that i had to fight for 8months to get the doctors to listen and eventually reevualte my situation... Now im fighting againt the specialist that refused to give me a biopsi since he thought i was retarded and i should just listen to him! I did so and it spread.
After my surgery 8months post the specialist, i request to talk with him again about the case. I decided not to do anything to him, but was to find out that the idiot of a bitch had made a document after our recent talk: saying shit like i was mentally ill, selfdestrucktive and unbalanced as a person, and that my act of not taking the biopsi might have been an act of selfdestructiveness... But he sure fucked up on his lies, because he included one thing that was real enough "He came to me and said that it was cancer, and there was no doubt" = why should i cancel the biopsi if the retard dident have anything to do with it.

Hopefully ill recover fully, even though this could all have been avoided by taking that shit biopsi... Im thinking about going to court against him

 

[hurricane]

i had a friend who passed from testiclar cancer.It spread thoughout his whole body.He passed at only 33 years of age.So much respect goes out to you brother.Glad you beat it