Test Suspension vs Test Cyp/Enan

[Pacesetter]

I was reading on another board that if u compared a test sus cycle with a test enan/cyp cycle (test only cycle here), the gains and sides would be much greater with the test sus. This was a competitive BB (weighs around 275) who told me.

I am aware that the different esters result in a much purer test with the suspension than with cyp or enan. I asked about that here on this board earlier.

If this is the case then, why don't people just use suspension? Is it the lack of availability or cost or too many sides or what?


Thanks

 

[go_hard_80]

its the fact of injecting 2-3 times a day, terrible bloat ,sides hard to control and it fucken hurts

go_hard_80

 

[serge]

its the fact of injecting 2-3 times a day, terrible bloat ,sides hard to control and it fucken hurts

go_hard_80

first of all TEST is TEST, all testosterones are created equal, only difference is the ester.

2-3 injections per day??? why? only need to shoot once per day, i use it all the time and its much easier to control since its so fast acting you can raise and lower your total blood concentration levels as you choose

terrible bloat? dont think so, take aromatise inhibitor and bloat goes bye bye, running a gram of suspension right now with femera, bloat free

sides are the easiest to control, since it lasts in your system for only a short period of time, so if sides are getting out of control you just shoot less then next day and you are all set, cant do that with esterfied test, esterfied test once it builds up in your system all you can do is give it time to clear and if you took to much you are fucked

 

[NFG123]

first of all TEST is TEST, all testosterones are created equal, only difference is the ester.

2-3 injections per day??? why? only need to shoot once per day, i use it all the time and its much easier to control since its so fast acting you can raise and lower your total blood concentration levels as you choose

terrible bloat? dont think so, take aromatise inhibitor and bloat goes bye bye, running a gram of suspension right now with femera, bloat free

sides are the easiest to control, since it lasts in your system for only a short period of time, so if sides are getting out of control you just shoot less then next day and you are all set, cant do that with esterfied test, esterfied test once it builds up in your system all you can do is give it time to clear and if you took to much you are fucked

I have to disagree here.

Injections must be done at lest 2x daily to keep even blood levels. Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes. If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.

Gains in strength are better, so are gains in bloat. I think the bloat is larger bc such a large amt of test is being released at once and not as slowly (esp once per day) that 1 mg anastrozole simp;ly cannot handle. esters are released (esp longer ones) more slowly with more even blood level concentrations so sides will be easier to control. "critical mass" is achieved much faster withsuspension.

NFG

 

[go_hard_80]

I have to disagree here.

Injections must be done at lest 2x daily to keep even blood levels. Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes. If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.

Gains in strength are better, so are gains in bloat. I think the bloat is larger bc such a large amt of test is being released at once and not as slowly (esp once per day) that 1 mg anastrozole simp;ly cannot handle. esters are released (esp longer ones) more slowly with more even blood level concentrations so sides will be easier to control. "critical mass" is achieved much faster withsuspension.

NFG

thank you i knew i was right

to get semi stable blood concentrations you would need like 6 shots a day with 2 of those in the middle of the night!!!

go_hard_80

 

[serge]

I have to disagree here.

Injections must be done at lest 2x daily to keep even blood levels. Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes. If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.

Gains in strength are better, so are gains in bloat. I think the bloat is larger bc such a large amt of test is being released at once and not as slowly (esp once per day) that 1 mg anastrozole simp;ly cannot handle. esters are released (esp longer ones) more slowly with more even blood level concentrations so sides will be easier to control. "critical mass" is achieved much faster withsuspension.

NFG

"Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes."

would you care to through in some refferences??? cant do it can you? 10-100min? you know you should not beleave everything you read on testosterone.net The least you can do is go ahead and sort of try running it, to at least have some experience with it before spreading such bullshit

IF THAT WAS THE HALF LIFE OF TEST SUSPENSION THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IN AS A BRIDGE ONCE IN THE MORNING JUST LIKE D-BOLL WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN YOU HPTA, NO I DARE YOU TO TRY THAT

moreover, if that was the half life of suspension then it would not be nearly long enouph in your system (if shot only once per day) to produce any significant gains in muscle mass, once again all you have to do is run suspension only cycle, shooting once a day and see how much muscle you end up gaining

 

[argent]

I also believe that oil based suspension has a longer half-life than the water-based. And it should be easier to control b/c of the shorter life.

 

[NFG123]

"Half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes."

would you care to through in some refferences??? cant do it can you? 10-100min? you know you should not beleave everything you read on testosterone.net The least you can do is go ahead and sort of try running it, to at least have some experience with it before spreading such bullshit

IF THAT WAS THE HALF LIFE OF TEST SUSPENSION THEN YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IN AS A BRIDGE ONCE IN THE MORNING JUST LIKE D-BOLL WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN YOU HPTA, NO I DARE YOU TO TRY THAT

moreover, if that was the half life of suspension then it would not be nearly long enouph in your system (if shot only once per day) to produce any significant gains in muscle mass, once again all you have to do is run suspension only cycle, shooting once a day and see how much muscle you end up gaining

Ok serge, I like you, but you are now spewing forth worthless statements at an alarming rate. The suspension half life was said to be this by Bill roberts .. i take it he had references and believe he did, though bc of your flame on something you know not of what you speak, i wont find em. So, your logic is if that was true, then it could be used as a bridge ... hmm, lets wake up here. The only things that can be used as a bridge are things that normally either a) dont bind well to the AR (once again I can get refs they have em on t-mag.com ... but dont wanna cause of your crap) b) do bind well, but for one reason have a low inhibition probably bc they are inefficient in mediating some other pathway that contributes to downregulation of GnRH ... or LH ... at hypothalamus or pituitary. Primobolan fits this bill, var does and dbol in the morning (doesnt bind the AR well at all) all fit this bill. Notice the trend of the AR binders ... WEAK ANABOLICS.

So we all know any amount of testosterone is inhibitory ... doesnt matter when it is taken. The amount released through suspension is so great that it causes a very quick inhibitory response ... it releases much more than an estrified test per unit time.

So lets analyze your second crappy statement. It wouldnt be in your system long enough to produce gains? Oh no?

Most people stack suspension with other drugs, which may easily provide a "base" of anabolics so test suspension would result in immediate and dramatic increases of protein synthesis, and other drugs would continue this trend and not let it entirely taper off.

Lets say you were using it alone though ... so if we have 100 mg after hour one, we have 50 after hour 1.5, 25 after 3, 12.5 released after 4.5, 6.25 after 6 and 3.125 after 7.5, 1.5075 after 9 and so forth ..

Now if we analyze this (90 minute half life) compared to ED injections of tren, we see that tren (zyg showed this) released < 3 mg at its HIGHEST released for the first hour immediately after the injection .... IMMEDIATELY AFTE THE injection ... and test suspension is STILL leading to a higher blood concentration of androgens 6-7.5 hours AFTER injection versus IMMEDIATELY after a fast acting tren acetate injection.

So it DOES provide enough of a base for gains.

Serge, you are a good poster, but think before you open your mouth next time.

NFG

 

[georgie24]

If you injected suspension on its half life like we suggest with enanthate at a MINIMUM youd be injecting every 2 hours for a total of 12 injections ED.




NFG

WOW THATS ALOT OF INJECTIONS!! THATS ALOT OF GEAR TOO!

 

[NFG123]

lol i know.

blood concentrations wont be EVEN but they will be reasonably HIGH for most of the day on ED injections or 2x ED injections of suspension

NFG

 

[serge]

Ok serge, I like you, but you are now spewing forth worthless statements at an alarming rate. The suspension half life was said to be this by Bill roberts .. i take it he had references and believe he did, though bc of your flame on something you know not of what you speak, i wont find em. So, your logic is if that was true, then it could be used as a bridge ... hmm, lets wake up here. The only things that can be used as a bridge are things that normally either a) dont bind well to the AR (once again I can get refs they have em on t-mag.com ... but dont wanna cause of your crap) b) do bind well, but for one reason have a low inhibition probably bc they are inefficient in mediating some other pathway that contributes to downregulation of GnRH ... or LH ... at hypothalamus or pituitary. Primobolan fits this bill, var does and dbol in the morning (doesnt bind the AR well at all) all fit this bill. Notice the trend of the AR binders ... WEAK ANABOLICS.

So we all know any amount of testosterone is inhibitory ... doesnt matter when it is taken. The amount released through suspension is so great that it causes a very quick inhibitory response ... it releases much more than an estrified test per unit time.

So lets analyze your second crappy statement. It wouldnt be in your system long enough to produce gains? Oh no?

Most people stack suspension with other drugs, which may easily provide a "base" of anabolics so test suspension would result in immediate and dramatic increases of protein synthesis, and other drugs would continue this trend and not let it entirely taper off.

Lets say you were using it alone though ... so if we have 100 mg after hour one, we have 50 after hour 1.5, 25 after 3, 12.5 released after 4.5, 6.25 after 6 and 3.125 after 7.5, 1.5075 after 9 and so forth ..

Now if we analyze this (90 minute half life) compared to ED injections of tren, we see that tren (zyg showed this) released < 3 mg at its HIGHEST released for the first hour immediately after the injection .... IMMEDIATELY AFTE THE injection ... and test suspension is STILL leading to a higher blood concentration of androgens 6-7.5 hours AFTER injection versus IMMEDIATELY after a fast acting tren acetate injection.

So it DOES provide enough of a base for gains.

Serge, you are a good poster, but think before you open your mouth next time.

NFG

"So we all know any amount of testosterone is inhibitory ... doesnt matter when it is taken. The amount released through suspension is so great that it causes a very quick inhibitory response ... it releases much more than an estrified test per unit time."

I call bull on that, any test is inhibitory??? dont think so, only if the amount taken is greater then your body produces naturally, if you go on meso-rx.com Bill Roberts does comfirm this, in fact he suggests taking test as a bridge, i beleave the dose he suggests is 100mg/week total

the claim that suspension has a half life of 100min was NOT made by Bill Roberts but by one of t-mag writers, Lucoma or Paterson or what ever the fuck that guyz name is, you know the same editor that claimed to be 240lb at 6% bf, yes the same one that a month later posted his pic just to show how much of a lier he really is

"Now if we analyze this (90 minute half life) compared to ED injections of tren, we see that tren (zyg showed this) released < 3 mg at its HIGHEST released for the first hour immediately after the injection .... IMMEDIATELY AFTE THE injection ... and test suspension is STILL leading to a higher blood concentration of androgens 6-7.5 hours AFTER injection versus IMMEDIATELY after a fast acting tren acetate injection.

So it DOES provide enough of a base for gains."

sorry but this just does not make scense at all

THE POINT OF MY POST WAS NOT TO BUST ON YOU BRO, ALTHOUGH I ADMIT IT WAS WRITEN WITH SOME CIRCASM BUT THATS JUST ME, BUT RATHER TO SHOW THAT THINGS ARE NOT ALL BLACK AND WHITE, AND MOST OF ALL ANY INFO ON T-MAG SITE IS BUNCH OF BULL, that is the very site that claimed seperation technique used by A's synovex kit was not possible, and A's kits for making injectible tren kits are worthless, i said it once and wills say it again, t-mag crue are bunch of scumbags and have an agenda or their own, most of the time they just dont know what they are talking about

 

[serge]

PS, i beleave anabolix 2000 or 2002 has a suspension blood conc. chart, which was produced taking actuall blood samples, it proves my point; suspension has a half-life of 1 day

 

[Fish]

I am a fan of suspension. I only shot once a day or twice a day... tried both. I am not an expert, I do not have many refs. I do have the anabolics 2000, and will give you a line from it.


"Although it may contain testosterone without the benefit of an ester, the micro-crystal design of this injectable will in fact ststain an elevated testosterone release for 2-3 days. The suspension we see today is clearly not the basic water plus testosterone design used in the 1940's. And since the drug will not leave circulation in a matter of hours, it is obviously useful. The is not news to many Americans bodybuilders who have had a chance to experiment with this item, and regard it very highly."


Now I know many say not to take this book as all fact, but I belive that "micro-crystal design" is a true statement. I seem to remember reading this elsewere. Though I have no proof.

Best luck to all.

 

[serge]

i found a graph that displays blood conc. of test suspension, HOW DO I POST IT?

 

[NFG123]

"So we all know any amount of testosterone is inhibitory ... doesnt matter when it is taken. The amount released through suspension is so great that it causes a very quick inhibitory response ... it releases much more than an estrified test per unit time."

I call bull on that, any test is inhibitory??? dont think so, only if the amount taken is greater then your body produces naturally, if you go on meso-rx.com Bill Roberts does comfirm this, in fact he suggests taking test as a bridge, i beleave the dose he suggests is 100mg/week total

the claim that suspension has a half life of 100min was NOT made by Bill Roberts but by one of t-mag writers, Lucoma or Paterson or what ever the fuck that guyz name is, you know the same editor that claimed to be 240lb at 6% bf, yes the same one that a month later posted his pic just to show how much of a lier he really is

"Now if we analyze this (90 minute half life) compared to ED injections of tren, we see that tren (zyg showed this) released < 3 mg at its HIGHEST released for the first hour immediately after the injection .... IMMEDIATELY AFTE THE injection ... and test suspension is STILL leading to a higher blood concentration of androgens 6-7.5 hours AFTER injection versus IMMEDIATELY after a fast acting tren acetate injection.

So it DOES provide enough of a base for gains."

sorry but this just does not make scense at all

THE POINT OF MY POST WAS NOT TO BUST ON YOU BRO, ALTHOUGH I ADMIT IT WAS WRITEN WITH SOME CIRCASM BUT THATS JUST ME, BUT RATHER TO SHOW THAT THINGS ARE NOT ALL BLACK AND WHITE, AND MOST OF ALL ANY INFO ON T-MAG SITE IS BUNCH OF BULL, that is the very site that claimed seperation technique used by A's synovex kit was not possible, and A's kits for making injectible tren kits are worthless, i said it once and wills say it again, t-mag crue are bunch of scumbags and have an agenda or their own, most of the time they just dont know what they are talking about

My release chart you said doesnt make sense ... does make sense. Im sure most board members understand it.

A's synovex kit i wouldnt trust. Chemically its hard to do and im a biochemistry major. I am also a TA for organic chemistry lab ... its not a good idea.

IT didnt say that his kit was worthless. keep in mind this was done before it became popular. It said it was effective but maybe not safe bc of all the glues and filler sthat may be in it ... to be honesty, i use it but am stil not sure how "safe" it is. I can sterile filter it and am not worried about infecitons, but in the longer run, we may find that some soluble particles in it are carcinogens ... we just dont know.

check out meso-rx.com bill roberts clearly states in his drug profile that the half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes.

Peace bro,
NFG

 

[zippnose]

It seems to me that in 'real world' use of modern suspension, that there is a 'time release' effect occuring...

off cycle, try it, if you inject suspension and try to max 2 hours later you won't see much of a strength difference, but I guarantee a couple of days later you will notice a big strength difference

wondering why, is it the large particle size of the suspension takes time to be broken down into a usable form? ...or does it take time for the receptors to become 'activated' by the androgen to translate into a greater strength effect

 

[serge]

"A's synovex kit i wouldnt trust. Chemically its hard to do and im a biochemistry major. I am also a TA for organic chemistry lab ... its not a good idea."

do you know the pricipal used for his kit? whats there not to trust? in first step you hydrolize the esters, leaving pure test and pure esteradiol, in second step you take advantage of estradiol being more acidic then test and turn it into a salt, making it water soluble while leaving test water insoluble, then strain off the test

glues and particles are strained off prior to initiating the seperation process

BTW, i have ran FT-IR scans to confirm that the product was in fact pure testosterone

"check out meso-rx.com bill roberts clearly states in his drug profile that the half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes."

just spend 20min searching the site, the profile has conveniently disapeared, i do however have a graph i just need some1 to tell me how to post it

 

[NFG123]

My release chart you said doesnt make sense ... does make sense. Im sure most board members understand it.

A's synovex kit i wouldnt trust. Chemically its hard to do and im a biochemistry major. I am also a TA for organic chemistry lab ... its not a good idea.

IT didnt say that his kit was worthless. keep in mind this was done before it became popular. It said it was effective but maybe not safe bc of all the glues and filler sthat may be in it ... to be honesty, i use it but am stil not sure how "safe" it is. I can sterile filter it and am not worried about infecitons, but in the longer run, we may find that some soluble particles in it are carcinogens ... we just dont know.

check out meso-rx.com bill roberts clearly states in his drug profile that the half life of suspension is 10-100 minutes.

Peace bro,
NFG

Riiiiight bud ::

NFG