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Test/Primo 20weeks

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Squadinator

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Stats:
5'11
200
15%

Goal:
5'11
210
10%

First Cycle:
1-10 TestE 500/week
1-12 hCG 1000iu/week
12-15 Nolvadex 20/day

Got 130ml of primobolan, only think i question about is how to use it. So Here are 2 example's not really that much diffrent from eachother but what you think about it and what one you prefer.

Before cycle start ill cut to 12% and than i cut during first weeks to 8/10 depends on how it goes, when i think its enough ill up the calories so ill gain a bit.


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Cycle 1:
1-4 TestP 150/eod
1-20 TestE 500/week
1-19 Primo 600/week

1-23 hCG 1000iu/week
1-26 Aromasin 10/ed
22-26 Nolvadex 20/day

Cycle 2:
1-4 TestP 150/eod
1-14 TestE 500/week
1-14 Primo 600/week
15-18 TestE 500/week
15-17 Primo 800/week

1-21 hCG 1000iu/week
1-25 Aromasin 10/day
21-25 Nolvadex 20/day

Questions:
-How long to run primo for best results, tought 20 weeks was the best but im not sure.
-Upping the dose during cycle and make it shorter or whole cycle on 600mg/week.
-Dont want to use orals, but on the end you reccomend to add something?
-What you guys think about this?

Really appreciate your help :D!!
 
130ml of primo haha holy shit that must have cost you a fortune. I would recommend to stay around 500-600mg week but I feel that 20 weeks is way too long, and I don't recommend any orals at the end especially if you have no reason to take them.
 
Mr. Chicago said:
130ml of primo haha holy shit that must have cost you a fortune. I would recommend to stay around 500-600mg week but I feel that 20 weeks is way too long, and I don't recommend any orals at the end especially if you have no reason to take them.
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tnx man ;)

idd it costs a bit but its here probably cheaper than in the us :P

20 weeks is a long time so i also tought it was long but the problem for me is, 12 is too short for primo 14 would be the minmum. Maby 16 is good. Why i dont know it for sure is becouse you read diffrent stories about how long it work and how long it should be taken. Orals are no need for mee dont even want to try it. The only thing i maby think on the end is upping primo during cycle or end with any short ester injectable.

You think 16 is also not too short or too long?
 
20 weeks is absurd. You'll never recover , even with a perfect PCT. It will take months and by that time you'd have lost whatever you gained. Makes no sense.
 
Nelson Montana said:
20 weeks is absurd. You'll never recover , even with a perfect PCT. It will take months and by that time you'd have lost whatever you gained. Makes no sense.
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I get your point, but primo is like EQ and need to be run longer but its not that heavy to recover as i know. But im not sure about that.

You think 16 weeks would be better or still too long?
 
A agree,,,20 weeks is just too long for most people (very advanced/professional athletes,,maybe)
 
Squadinator,

I have no experience with Primo, so I'm not one to offer help here. I would however, like to offer some advice: Nelson is "THE" Man around here when it comes to Primo. He's a seasoned vet, and has probably forgotten more about Primo than you or I currently know! Please do yourself a favor; listen to any advice he has to offer, and take his word as gospel. Nelson is the epitome of "slow and steady, keepable gains".
 
Oke tnx guys, here new one hope this is better.

1-15 TestE 500
1-8 Primo 600
9-12 Primo 800
13-15 Primo 1g

Or 15 weeks 800mg of primo instead of upping?

This is better or still not good?
 
i never use primo less than 16 weeks... run it 600-800 mg week... you don't need to go any higher than that... you should stack it with eq and sarms man...
 
The moral of the story here is, everybody does things differently. There is no right and wrong in that regard. Anybody can do whatever they want and swear by it.

The thing is, when you're young, you can get away with so much. You don't feel the damage, even when it's severe. Hell, you can get shitfaced every night, sleep for 3 hours, have a plate of french fries a cigarette and a coke and do it again the next night and still look good. That's the joy of youth. But in the long run, you're hurting yourself.

Hey, I'm an old guy. No getting around it. And I know that being old doesn't give me any right to tell anybody to do it MY way or the way they USED to do it. But it does give me some perspective.

I've seen guys look buffed at 30 and dead at 31. I've seen guys ready for the pro stage and needed a new kidney a few years later. Thousands of guys on HRT at 35 -- thinking that they're "old" and need it. I've seen guys swear that what they were doing "wasn't so bad' only to be proven wrong in a way that doesn't allow for second chances.

Me? I'm no mass monster. Just a healthy fit old dude who still gets hit on by hot women in their 20's. And not ONE of them has ever said, "Gee, if only you were thirty pounds more, you'd be really hot." Not once.

Take it for what it's worth.
 
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Nelson Montana said:
The moral of the story here is, everybody does things differently. There is no right and wrong in that regard. Anybody can do whatever they want and swear by it.

The thing is, when you're young, you can get away with so much. You don't feel the damage, even when it's severe. Hell, you can get shitfaced every night, sleep for 3 hours, have a plate of french fries a cigarette and a coke and do it again the next night and still look good. That's the joy of youth. But in the long run, you're hurting yourself.

Hey, I'm an old guy. No getting around it. And I know that being old doesn't give me any right to tell anybody to do it MY way or the way they USED to do it. But it does give me some perspective.

I've seen guys look buffed at 30 and dead at 31. I've seen guys ready for the pro stage and washed up at 35. And needing a new kidney at 40. I've seen guys swear that what they were doing "wasn't so bad' only to be proven wrong in a way that doesn;t allow for second chances.

Me? I'm no mass monster. Just a healthy fit old dude who still gets hit on by hot women in their 20's. And not ONE of them has ever said, "Gee, if only you were thirty pounds more, you'd be really hot." Not once.

Take it for what it's worth.
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thats a really good point, never looked it this way to be honest.

just as you say im not the one who wants to be as big as possible, just oldschool bodybuilding fysiek but still less. Not that i ever gonna be as big as arnold but you prob get what i mean.

And for me bbing is more about gettin healthy and have a nice shape, than not healty with a nice shape. Thats not te mention of bbing. So ill overlook my plans, ill stil in wait for my blood tests results. Il see how my recovery is and than make my plan about how long and how much aas. Thanks man ;)
 
redheat7 said:
Ur pct planning


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look, where i come from we dont have that things i see everywhere here like unleash or things like that. A PCT is just 1/3 of your cycle with a minimum of 4 weeks nolvadex 20mg a day.

I can say you now gonna reccomend to use this and that, probably with a website where i can get a discount. So i dont beleve that stuff. I dont say you will but others will post that for sure.

Thats why i say im not out of it yet.
 
In regards to pct I think one of the vets on here posted some like "The moral of the story here is, everybody does things differently. There is no right and wrong in that regard. Anybody can do whatever they want and swear by it."

Sure every other member who posts frequently on this site is a rep for one of the supplement companies here. I personally use hcgenerate and the post cycle/ unleashed combo with every cycle/ pct. I think they aid recovery, but they don't cause recovery. Your body will recover on its own and how much it recovers is due to a number of factors including age, genetics, cycle length (hormone abuse) etc. The products pushed on this site are mearley ancillaries, used to help the recovery process. In my opinion they are worth the money.

Oh and I'm not a rep, just a lowly iron grid gym member
 
Jigga14 said:
In regards to pct I think one of the vets on here posted some like "The moral of the story here is, everybody does things differently. There is no right and wrong in that regard. Anybody can do whatever they want and swear by it."

Sure every other member who posts frequently on this site is a rep for one of the supplement companies here. I personally use hcgenerate and the post cycle/ unleashed combo with every cycle/ pct. I think they aid recovery, but they don't cause recovery. Your body will recover on its own and how much it recovers is due to a number of factors including age, genetics, cycle length (hormone abuse) etc. The products pushed on this site are mearley ancillaries, used to help the recovery process. In my opinion they are worth the money.

Oh and I'm not a rep, just a lowly iron grid gym member
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what ive done after my first cycle is using a test booster and a liver cleaning supplement. and nolvadex. But cant say the supplements work or didnt work but ill use them again in my pct just to be safe.

i dont know what hcgenerate and unleash are exactly, but ill search for it ;)
 
Jigga14 said:
In regards to pct I think one of the vets on here posted some like "The moral of the story here is, everybody does things differently. There is no right and wrong in that regard. Anybody can do whatever they want and swear by it."

Sure every other member who posts frequently on this site is a rep for one of the supplement companies here. I personally use hcgenerate and the post cycle/ unleashed combo with every cycle/ pct. I think they aid recovery, but they don't cause recovery. Your body will recover on its own and how much it recovers is due to a number of factors including age, genetics, cycle length (hormone abuse) etc. The products pushed on this site are mearley ancillaries, used to help the recovery process. In my opinion they are worth the money.

Oh and I'm not a rep, just a lowly iron grid gym member
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That's exactly right. In the end, the body must recover on its own. That's the whole premise behind UNLEASHED. While you're recovering, it makes the most of your natural bioavailable testosterone so you don't lose gains in the interim. NOTHING restores HPTA function permanently except for time.
 
Nelson Montana said:
That's exactly right. In the end, the body must recover on its own. That's the whole premise behind UNLEASHED. While you're recovering, it makes the most of your natural bioavailable testosterone so you don't lose gains in the interim. NOTHING restores HPTA function permanently except for time.
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so you reccomend to use the pct like wolfpack write in a threat here, its like this:

hcgenerate first 2 weeks, unleashed full pct
nolvadex+clomid full pct
aromasin
 
Squadinator said:
so you reccomend to use the pct like wolfpack write in a threat here, its like this:

hcgenerate first 2 weeks, unleashed full pct
nolvadex+clomid full pct
aromasin
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Well, I'm not a fan of clomid or nolva and I think HcGenerate is best on cycle. I do thin some HCG is good at the end of a cycle as a kickstart, then UNLEASHED and protein factory POSTCYCLE. Some people do better with a serm but others do worse so that's up to you.
 
Squadinator said:
i saw that before, primo+eq. howmuch eq you use? 1:1 primo:eq or less eq is also good?
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i run eq no less than 800 mg week... primo at 600-800... low dose of test along with it... 350 is a good cyp dose with this cycle... 20 mg day of CARDARINE and 50 mg day of s4 from sarms1.... this is a shred stack...
 
dylangemelli said:
i run eq no less than 800 mg week... primo at 600-800... low dose of test along with it... 350 is a good cyp dose with this cycle... 20 mg day of CARDARINE and 50 mg day of s4 from sarms1.... this is a shred stack...
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my first cycle idea was:
1-16 600 primo
1-16 600 eq
1-18 250 test e

i didnt go along with it becouse the dosage is very high, but you think this would be better? Or you get more out of it.

1.45g of aas even with mild aas like primo and eq its very much, but it looks at my sight as a nice clean cycle. what you think about this?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Well, I'm not a fan of clomid or nolva and I think HcGenerate is best on cycle. I do thin some HCG is good at the end of a cycle as a kickstart, then UNLEASHED and protein factory POSTCYCLE. Some people do better with a serm but others do worse so that's up to you.
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oke, i get your point. Ill think i stick with the nolvadex, i had a nice recovery with it after my first cycle, and non side effects.

But ill see what hcgenerate / unleashed / protein facroyy post.. can do for me
 
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