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Test E/ Mast E Quick Clarification...

DJLegacy2k1

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So if I am running 600mg Mast E with 500mg Test E EW, I shouldnt need to run an additional AI while on cycle correct? Or at some point of the cycle should I run an AI just to be safe?

I just want to make sure I do this right an dont screw it up, when it comes to the AI control.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
So if I am running 600mg Mast E with 500mg Test E EW, I shouldnt need to run an additional AI while on cycle correct? Or at some point of the cycle should I run an AI just to be safe?

I just want to make sure I do this right an dont screw it up, when it comes to the AI control.

-Legacy
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Bro...with the mast there are no issues with aromatizing but test certainly does. I would rather be safe than sorry. Have you thought about a suicidde aromatase inhibitor just to be safe???

Forma stanzol accomplishes that as well as boosts HPTA easing shutdown and helping recovery move along...

How long are you running the compounds???

Are you gyno prone at all?
 
Stryker1992 said:
Bro...with the mast there are no issues with aromatizing but test certainly does. I would rather be safe than sorry. Have you thought about a suicidde aromatase inhibitor just to be safe???

Forma stanzol accomplishes that as well as boosts HPTA easing shutdown and helping recovery move along...

How long are you running the compounds???

Are you gyno prone at all?
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I have Forma and Letro, but everything Ive read is that the Mast binds with the Test so well that no AI is needed. I have read this just about everywhere, but I want to make sure my doses are correct for this action to take place. I dont mind running an additional AI while on cycle as I have ran Aromasin on cycle last time, but if its not needed I don want to kill all my estro for no reason. I upped the Mast E to 600mg from my original plan of 400mg and I wanted to make sure I was correct in understanding how this works.

I am running the Best for 4 weeks, and the Test and Mast for 10 to 12. I had some pubertal gyno growing up but my last Test E cycle I didnt notice any issues, or any issues from any other PH's. I dont know exactly since this is only my second cycle and I dont have too much history running full blown AAS.

-Legacy
 
Chances are no that you will not need an AI with that stack.

I ran Tren E with mast E and test E with no AI except the occasional letro once or twice a week. No issues at all.

Thats the beauty of Masteron, estrogen binding and no joint pain like winny. Thats why I run it all the time.
 
Hmmmm, the random super strong Letro could have helped you as well...so that kind of doesnt clear up whether or not or how much of what I should add in for AI support...lol
 
aromasin is my sucide ai of choice, no mater what im running I always run 12.5 eod keeps bloat down, gains drier, and I dont need to keep touching my nipples.
 
Just keep an eye on estrogen related sides and use it if you feel like you need to. I think MOST people are fine at 500mgs test epecially with mast. But I'd always have something on hand
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Hmmmm, the random super strong Letro could have helped you as well...so that kind of doesnt clear up whether or not or how much of what I should add in for AI support...lol
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Bro, with mast E you keep it higher than the test which is exactly what you're doing.


For the rest of you, the idea here is to get away with taking more drugs to combat sides especially Aromatase Inhibitors. They'll keep you too flat looking, inhibit gains and usually have some other sides. Besides the additional hardening effects of masteron, this is why its a powerful precontest drug. You better believe its not a good idea to take AI's precontest for the reasons stated above. If you need it cause you look bloated then your diet is fucked up.
 
Buy the letro, keep it on hand... but no, you dont need to run anything prophylactically with a test/mast cycle IMO. It never hurts to keep it on hand, especially if your gyno prone, but taking it before anything happens, when you are already running masteron, is pointless to me. As far as negative effects of running an AI when you dont particularly need it, I will defer to UA_Iron on that, as I dont really know, but I have had letro on hand since before my first cycle, and have never used it once. Thats my favorite way to run it! =)
 
I do use Forma though, always... 9 pumps 2x a day while Im on cycle, then take a break while i wait to start PCT, then run it @ 3-4 pumps 2x a day through PCT
 
I do have letro on hand and Aromasin is my AI of choice for on cycle and PCT, but currently I have Letro and Formestane on hand. I just wanted to make sure my doses were correct to, in theory, not need additional AI on cycle, except for emergencies. Seeing as this is my first time running Mast I just wanted to double check, better safe than sorry.

Thanks Guys
-Legacy
 
I think your cycle looks awesome bro.

Good 'cuts for the sluts' summer cycle.
 
I ran the exact same compounds you're running last year for 4 months at half the dosages you're running. I used no AI thinking the Mast would take care of the estro. At the end of the cycle I got blood work and my estro was 160. Normal range is 40-115. Not saying that mast does not work as an AI. Who knows, it might've been 300 if the mast wasn't in there. Just putting this out there for reference.
 
My list of Supps for this cycle are as follows:

Beastdrol
Test E
Mast E
Oxy Elite Pro/Lipostim 3
Formestane
PhytoSerms 347
HCGenerate
N2Gaurd
Need2Slin
GEAR
Letro (on hand)
and maybe a couple more I cant remember lol

-Legacy
 
rockdoc said:
I ran the exact same compounds you're running last year for 4 months at half the dosages you're running. I used no AI thinking the Mast would take care of the estro. At the end of the cycle I got blood work and my estro was 160. Normal range is 40-115. Not saying that mast does not work as an AI. Who knows, it might've been 300 if the mast wasn't in there. Just putting this out there for reference.
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So you were running Test E @ 250mg EW and Mast E @ 300mg EW? I have read of it not working 100% to bind with it all, but hopefully it will keep levels in check enough to keep sides down. Mast isnt supposed to ELIMINATE all estrogen but its supposed to bind well so that things dont get out of control. Either way thats why I have formestane and some letro around. If i neeed to get more at some point here I will. I couldnt get my hands on any Aromasin this time, all the places that had it had 1 month turn around times, no biggie though. I think im prepared for the most part. Im interested in seeing how i respond to a test mast combo. My fisr cycle was just test e for 10 weeks, this being my 2nd cycle other that the "legal" stuff.

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
So you were running Test E @ 250mg EW and Mast E @ 300mg EW? I have read of it not working 100% to bind with it all, but hopefully it will keep levels in check enough to keep sides down. Mast isnt supposed to ELIMINATE all estrogen but its supposed to bind well so that things dont get out of control. Either way thats why I have formestane and some letro around. If i neeed to get more at some point here I will. I couldnt get my hands on any Aromasin this time, all the places that had it had 1 month turn around times, no biggie though. I think im prepared for the most part. Im interested in seeing how i respond to a test mast combo. My fisr cycle was just test e for 10 weeks, this being my 2nd cycle other that the "legal" stuff.

-Legacy
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Actually the cycle was 300mg/wk. of each.
 
Just to kind of piggy back on this topic: How would the Mast E / Test E combo treat your tendons and ligaments? I know Mast isn't as hard on them as winny, but test sometimes can cause problems in this area. Any thoughts?
 
I didnt have any issues running test e alone last time...I think with the binding between the 2 compounds you shouldnt run into any problems as long as you run some joint support and keep ur EFAs up.

-Legacy
 
illkickurass said:
Just to kind of piggy back on this topic: How would the Mast E / Test E combo treat your tendons and ligaments? I know Mast isn't as hard on them as winny, but test sometimes can cause problems in this area. Any thoughts?
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I'm on test/mast/tren right now with the mast at 150mg eod or 525mg/week and my joints are starting to hurt in week 5. Can't be sure but I think its more from the strength going up so quick than the mast drying them out.

I probably need to up my EFAs and pick up some joint support like DJ said
 
Yeah, normally keeping the EFAs up and a joint support supplement will be good enough as the combo shouldnt be TOO terribly hard on you and like you stated sometimes GROWTH pain and strain is taken as "dry" sore joints. Always start with the EFAs and joint support and then adjust form there, but its best to start the joint support and upped EFAs just before you know youre going to start a cycle that may lead to some drying of the joints.

-Legacy
 
I've been on the mast E for about 15 weeks and have had minimal joint pain. I kicked the winny up to 125mg/day so we'll see when it starts to hit.
 
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