Test E, DBol, Tren A cycle support and pct?

[Av2002]

Hi,


This will be my first cycle, although have done small ph cycles in the past.


Stats

Height - 5'9

Weight - 190lb

Bf - not sure, must be around 20%



Cycle - 10 weeks

Test E - 500 EW - week 1-10

Dbol - 40 ED - week 1-6

Tren A - 60 EOD - week 2-10


Have been training 4 months after a 6 month recovery after a bad injury have lost a lot of mass. I have been training in total for 5 years.

I've been going through boards to get an idea of what cycle support/pct I will need so what do you guys think?

Thanks !



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[RickRock13]

There are a few things that need addressed here buddy. First of all, your bodyfat is way too high to be starting a cycle. You need to get it under 15% before starting or your health takes a serious toll from being in poor shape. Secondly, you NEVER run Tren for a first cycle. It's for advanced users only. Test only with an oral kickstart is all you need for a first cycle. Here is a perfect layout for you including PCT and all the ancillaries you need to run a successful cycle

1-12 Test E 500mg per week
1-4 Dbol 30mg per day
1-12 N2guard
5-12 HCGenerate
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[Av2002]

Thanks for the fast reply and advice.

Im in no rush at the moment to start the cycle, im looking at end of August roughly to start and cutting hard until then.

Another thing is I have all the gear on hand, including the tren. I've got enough for a 10 week cycle so I had thought to throw some tren in at a moderate dose.

Is HCGenerate a good substitute for actual HCG? Ive heard conflicting opinions everywhere.

Thanks mate!


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[EZ_E]

It's good that you're in no rush, f you're going to do it do it right.

Do NOT use tren @ this stage of the game. When you getyour BF down (I'd suggest 12%-ish) run the test/d-bol as Rick suggested, although I'd reccommend about 400 mg's of test.

 

[Av2002]

It's good that you're in no rush, f you're going to do it do it right.



Do NOT use tren @ this stage of the game. When you getyour BF down (I'd suggest 12%-ish) run the test/d-bol as Rick suggested, although I'd reccommend about 400 mg's of test.

A lot of people have told me the same about tren, is it the side effects i should be concerned about?

I chose Tren A so i can come off it quickly if i need to.

Ive also heard its not too bad if you keep dosage low and run it with test so maybe I should lower the planned dosage to 45-50?
As I mentioned before im in no rush to start, end of the day like you said if im going to do it might as well do it right. End of the day i dont want to fuck up my hormones and internal biology.

Thanks!


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[EZ_E]

A lot of people have told me the same about tren, is it the side effects i should be concerned about?

I chose Tren A so i can come off it quickly if i need to.

Ive also heard its not too bad if you keep dosage low and run it with test so maybe I should lower the planned dosage to 45-50?
As I mentioned before im in no rush to start, end of the day like you said if im going to do it might as well do it right. End of the day i dont want to fuck up my hormones and internal biology.

Thanks!


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Yes.

Don't run tren in a 1st cycle.

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks for the fast reply and advice.

Im in no rush at the moment to start the cycle, im looking at end of August roughly to start and cutting hard until then.

Another thing is I have all the gear on hand, including the tren. I've got enough for a 10 week cycle so I had thought to throw some tren in at a moderate dose.

Is HCGenerate a good substitute for actual HCG? Ive heard conflicting opinions everywhere.

Thanks mate!


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HCGenerate is excellent to run on cycle to minimize suppression as an alternative to HCG

Save the Tren for later down the road. Do not use it during your first cycle, even at a moderate dose