Test 400

[fozzard]

Hey legends im here to ask if this is a nice clean stright forward cycle its my first also btw. Ok im 27 ex forces so trained mainly cardio but bulked a little im 6ft 220.5 pounds and bf is between 10-15 %. Ok so my first cycle is test 400 its all I can get hold of from a supplier threw my mates. Then some anti estrogen 2 weeks after last jab so this a nice and easy first cycle? Cheers

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[fozzard]

Tamoxifen ill be taking after cycle.

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[callmejay]

Do you have access to any other PCT? Tamoxifen isn't too highly regarded for a variety of reasons. Some data suggests it's more toxic than it's worth and also decreases IGF-1 which is important in recovery. Clomid is much more effective and many members also include a natural test booster.

What ester of test do you have? Prop should only be run 8 weeks. If it's cyp or enth pin twice a week and run for 12 weeks.

If you can get some clomid, try:
1-12 Test(?) 400mg/week
15-18 Clomid 25/25/25/25
15-18 Post-Cycle / Unleashed / DAA Powerchews
15-18 Forma Stanozol

You 100% need the Clomid and I highly recommend at least DAA or Forma. Including Post-Cycle and Unleashed can only help and many people swear by them, it just depends on what you can afford.

 

[fozzard]

Thanks for the fast reply and sharing your knowledge its really appreciated mate ok all hes told me is he recommends the 400 so ill find out what it exactly is tomorrow also I will ask him to change my post cycle gear because I read up on it and its for women with breast cancer it does help though but wasn't 100% about it. He did say pin Monday and Thursday for 12 weeks so you did mention that but ill double check it. Cheers again bro fantastic info and thanks for your time

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[Kbordner]

Test 400 is usually a combination of Prop/ Phenylprop/Enth... So you get a variety of short and long esters.

 

[fozzard]

Ok cool thanks should I get an ai? Iv heard I should have It at hand?

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[overburdened]

If it's DKT400, it will be 176mg of enanth and cyp(each)48mg of prop... this is not actually the case... Denkall does not make it anymore, it's made by an UGL, and has DK's label on it... it contains a potent vasodilator(used as one of the solvents)... so, you may experience severe headaches not too far into the cycle(caffeine is about the only thing that'll get rid of the headache... just for a heads up)... Also, the test isn't actually 400mg(Denkall, when they were still in business, were making a true 400mg test blend... and it HURT LIKE HELL!!!) The test is actually somewhere between 300 and 350mg(depending on the batch, really.... the UGL that is making it now has let his product quality slip for a few years now....)... The test blend doesn't hurt too bad, but being this is your first cycle, it will probably debilitate you for a couple days(this is usually the case with high mg/ml products in 'virgins'....) So, I would either get some sterile oil, to dilute it, or get something else to go with it, that is lower mg/ml... that way you can mix it in same syringe, and bring potency down....

Good luck!... I don't think that T400 is best thing for someone to do their first run on(due to high potency, and possible MASSIVE pip).. but it is possible to do it, and if you follow what I just said about watering it down, you won't have much issue

 

[ALIN]

Hey legends im here to ask if this is a nice clean stright forward cycle its my first also btw. Ok im 27 ex forces so trained mainly cardio but bulked a little im 6ft 220.5 pounds and bf is between 10-15 %. Ok so my first cycle is test 400 its all I can get hold of from a supplier threw my mates. Then some anti estrogen 2 weeks after last jab so this a nice and easy first cycle? Cheers

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You may want to use a small amount of an AI during the cycle,,,depending how much TEST you will be using weekly.

 

[overburdened]

Ok cool thanks should I get an ai? Iv heard I should have It at hand?

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Bro, I'm not ragging on you or anything, but did you research ANYTHING about anabolic steroids, before deciding to do them?(just asking a simple question... not trying to be a dick or anything like that...).... You should have some knowledge yourself, so that if someone gives you misinformation(which is far more common on forums than correct information!) you may know that you shouldn't do whatever was suggested that was wrong...

It's your health at stake here, not the guy making money off you on the juice(he don't give a shit, he just wants to make a few bucks).... I, personally, would NEVER recommend someone do test 400 the first time they take anything(it HURTS LIKE HELL.... depending on the brand, but if it is truly 400mg, it is going to HURT!!!) a first timer would be best off running 200mg/.ml test(and just take 1cc twice a week, to get 400mg....)(maybe this is what you meant, I don't know...)

Regardless, you really should do some research on your own(pubmed is a great site, as well as wikipedia(though it is severely lacking and does have a little misinformation here and there too)... Read up on clinical trials done with aas... read up on all the different steroid profiles(Google is great for this type of thing).. asking questions on a forum is not research, it is where you will get a lot of 'broscience'.... most of which is far from the truth! It's YOUR health bro, not anyone else's.... You should have a general basis of knowledge before you do AAS..

You never did state your goals in your original post, or stats(to any great degree)... How long have you been lifting(seriously, not here and there,... on a routine) what do you plan on accomplishing with this cycle? These are things you should have thought out prior to ever thinking about the AAS.... You need a plan,..

Anyway, It just sounds like you really haven't done ANY research of your own.. that is the quickest way to get burned in this game, and also, the quickest way to end up in poor health, possibly life or death, if playing with the wrong AAS.... There are some that are extremely toxic!!! without any foreknowledge, you could end up being the one that gets pawned off the counterfeit, fake, non-sterile gear.. or just oil in a vial for that matter(and placebo effect goes a long way with someone that really doesn't know anything about what you are putting in you... Someone could tell you, 'you should feel, xxxx, xxxxx and xxxxx'(fill in the blanks with whatever... that's what you will feel, cause your mind will tell your body that's what it should feel....

I've seen it time and time again! someone that really doesn't know, gets bunk gear passed off to them, then starts acting however someone has told them it would do.... when it's just oil!

Anyway, just a word to the wise... you should do a little research before buying ANYTHING, or PLANNING TO RUN ANYTHING.... You will be much better off with a little of your own knowledge... take it as you will, it's just meant as constructive criticism, not trying to be a dick or anything...

 

[fozzard]

Thanks for the positive information given to me its much appreciated...and m8 no i aint offended im a stright talking person and like direct talk back i know were i stand ....iv learned a lot over the past few months and iv come up with that cycle myself without aid of forums or people its to see the affects it has on my body before i go into the world of steriods....I know the sides to steds and the fact this is no game reason i'm asking here don't want to make no mistakes and gain knowledge from you guys have probably learnt from someone who's been there and done it and id love to learn from the best also so no m8 im not offended i am much appreciated for your ways as you know steds is no game. Im ordering an ai b4 i start cycle and train hard as i can 60% carbs 20% protein and 20% fats is a great balance to gain muscle using steroids i think personally. But to have people give me there time and help me along even if its not what i want to hear i will dam right listen and do it correctly without a shadow of a doubt cheers again all for great positive comments and i hope 1 day i can return the favour to someone else who needs this information