T3 without steroids is a no-go, right?

[kethnaab]

Figure as much, too catabolic or something, but I figured I'd ask.

Is T3 a "research chemical" like clen, nolva, etc?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Figure as much, too catabolic or something, but I figured I'd ask.

Is T3 a "research chemical" like clen, nolva, etc?

IMO, in most cases it should only be run with AAS. Though people do run it without, IMO its too catabolic. Though individual response and metabolic impact varies (its more catabolic in some than in others)

 

[whitemahon]

t3 is a thyroid hormone that will stimulate your thyroid gland. an over active thyroid will burn fat like crazy.

be careful, as t3 can permanently suppress natural t3 production permanently in some individuals.

t3 is fine to run without gear. just make sure you have ample protien in your diet, and supplement w/ taurine.

 

[buffalo]

You can run t3 with clen also.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

t3 does not stimulate the thyroid gland, it will however suppress TSH release which in turn will reduce thyroid output.

while high levels of thyroid will increase lipolysis they will also increase catabolism of muscle tissue.

 

[azul]

t3 does not stimulate the thyroid gland, it will however suppress TSH release which in turn will reduce thyroid output.

while high levels of thyroid will increase lipolysis they will also increase catabolism of muscle tissue.

Sorry for the hijack... but I have a question...

For anyone here who's prone to... "overheating easily"... does T3 make you sweat?

Clen and ephedrine are ok in the winter, but I can't do 'em in the spring or summer because I just sweat too much with 'em. That's fine in the gym, but not during social occasions.

Will T3 do the same?

 

[Mr.X]

Figure as much, too catabolic or something, but I figured I'd ask.

Is T3 a "research chemical" like clen, nolva, etc?

T3 is a research chem, yes. Most people that use a clen+t3 combo, should stick to an AS cycle to prevent catabolism from T3 use.

 

[whitemahon]

t3 does not stimulate the thyroid gland, it will however suppress TSH release which in turn will reduce thyroid output.

are you sure about this mcaro?

if by suppressing tsh release, t3 reduces thyroid output, would'nt that constitute a state of hypothyroidism? (under active thyroid).

t3 = (overactive thyroid)=hyperthyroid, no?

i admidt that i haven't read up on t3 in several years, so i may be wrong.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

are you sure about this mcaro?

if by suppressing tsh release, t3 reduces thyroid output, would'nt that constitute a state of hypothyroidism? (under active thyroid).

t3 = (overactive thyroid)=hyperthyroid, no?

i admidt that i haven't read up on t3 in several years, so i may be wrong.

yes
yes
no

though understand how you might come to that conclusion as t3 can give the effects of overactive thyroid (though it is infact, suppressing the thyroid release)

 

[scout69]

T-3 can be run without Juice, But deffinately not recomended unless your very overweight, Because the T-3 is going to burn muscle and Fat so like I said unless your Fat (Obese) To begin with, Take something with it even just some Test, Something...

 

[PCfuzz]

So what about taking Creatine with T3 and Clen???
Along with 3grams of taurine. Would that help prevent catabolism???


Thanx
PCfuzz

 

[cyrex]

I ran a T3 Clen stack for 4 weeks Lost 30 lbs 3 of it was muscle...

 

[SlimJim300]

Macro, I had thought taurine was mostly for use with stimulants, like clen. I have heard three different things about why it should be taken. One is that it helps avoid thyroid suppression when taking stuff like clen. Also that it prevents cramping from clen because of depleted taurine stores. The other is that is provides a base for the body to use to produce catecholamines like norepinephrine. Which of these are true? And is there any reason to take it with T3?

 

[Alyosha K.]

It's like supplementing with testosterone; exogenous test will shut down natural production. So supplementing with T3 will contribute to higher levels in the body causing symptoms of hyperthyroidism. However, you are actually suppressing natural T3 production. You'll find that out once you come off from it and have blood drawn.

 

[whitemahon]

ok, ive brushed up. understand now.

t3 dosen't cause an overactive thyroid. an overactive thyroid would simply produce ecessive t4 which is converted to t3.

t3's physiologic effects are manifested @ the cellular level (increasing metabolism). introduction of exogenous t3 will be sensed by the hypothalamus = suppressed trh. suppressed trh causes the pituitary to suppress tsh production.

while suppressed tsh (in the absence of exogenous t3) would certainly lead to hypothyroidism, it's not the case when an abundance of exogenous t3.

thanks macro. k to you!

 

[cyrex]

ok, ive brushed up. understand now.

t3 dosen't cause an overactive thyroid. an overactive thyroid would simply produce ecessive t4 which is converted to t3.

t3's physiologic effects are manifested @ the cellular level (increasing metabolism). introduction of exogenous t3 will be sensed by the hypothalamus = suppressed trh. suppressed trh causes the pituitary to suppress tsh production.

while suppressed tsh (in the absence of exogenous t3) would certainly lead to hypothyroidism, it's not the case when an abundance of exogenous t3.

thanks macro. k to you!

Yes.. ALTHOUGH caution should be taken.. make sure to taper it off when you stop with it so that way your body says "OH shit we aren't getting any more of that free T3.. let's get back to work fuckers! hypothalamus go go go!"

 

[kethnaab]

Well, i was only going to use it in conjunction with clen during a PCT after a cycle of Pheraplex and Prostanazol.

I was going to do trex during the cycle, then clen/T3 after the cycle.

Mebbe T3/Trex during the cycle, and just clen along with the other PCT stuff post-cycle?

 

[Mr.X]

I ran a T3 Clen stack for 4 weeks Lost 30 lbs 3 of it was muscle...

those are some good results bro...

 

[Mr.X]

So what about taking Creatine with T3 and Clen???
Along with 3grams of taurine. Would that help prevent catabolism???


Thanx
PCfuzz

you have another thread in regards to this, see my answer there.

 

[ALIN]

Figure as much, too catabolic or something, but I figured I'd ask.

Is T3 a "research chemical" like clen, nolva, etc?

Ive done it successfully without AAS to lose some BF. you have to know what your doing, but it can be done.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I ran a T3 Clen stack for 4 weeks Lost 30 lbs 3 of it was muscle...

if your stats are accurate that would put you at 22-25% bodyfat when you began. at higher bodyfats its not as catabolic, as their is a massive amount of ready fuel. with proper diet and training losses can be minimized (in those situations)

 

[derailed]

T3 and T4 upregulate B-rececptors of the heart. T4 is converted to T3 at the cellular level. However, if you are iodine def. your thryoid will produce T3 instead which is very more potent than T4. The 4 or 3 simply means how many iodine are attached. Also, AAS decrease liver synthesis of the thyroid hormone globulin that T4 attaches to in the blood (forgot what its called). Not much useful info here but thought some of you would enjoy some physiology. Oh yea, TH is responsible for the brain maturity process of a baby between the first and second years of life. Hypo makes us slow and stupid, hyper makes up fast and twitchy.

 

[kethnaab]

Ive done it successfully without AAS to lose some BF. you have to know what your doing, but it can be done.

damn, don't be a prude, share the info!!!

 

[devonx19]

Is the T3 products that are sold in stores the actual Thyroid Hormone....cause I didn't think it was legally available without perscription..??

If my assumption is correct how much does T3 usually run for?/

 

[asianlover]

i wouldn't use it without juice.