I usually run the T3 pyramid style up to 4 a day then back down. I also, run the clen at tolerance level. The point where you cramp for no reason in your fingers, and other places. Yes, use test, winny, eq, halo (at the end for a super cut cycle) But this is not a beginner's choice. The clen can run up to 6 or more a day depending on your size and can give you whopping headaches from the 12th level of hell.