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T-rex breaking news....

so now the T-rex is a carnavour(sp?)..come on, we have all kinda weird birds that are huge, but still can run fast like a motherfucker.
 
The link doesn't work.

T-Rex is still a kick ass motherfucking dinosaur regardless of speed.:)
 
Yes it does kick ass, but there is a fundamental shift in how we think he/she/it hunted. We used to think he would chased prey down, but now it look like it may have ambushed prey and even possibly used team work like the raptors.
 
The link does work. The t-rex is still a carnivore, however, they are saying that due to its size, it may not have run as fast as originally thought.
interesting.

bunny
 
gwl9dta4 said:
Yes it does kick ass, but there is a fundamental shift in how we think he/she/it hunted. We used to think he would chased prey down, but now it look like it may have ambushed prey and even possibly used team work like the raptors.
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This fundamentally changes the way that t-rexs have been viewed for many many years.
 
gwl9dta4 said:



Well just be happy he could not have caught silly rabbits.
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I am so happy that I was not around then. Bunnies would become extinct in a hearbeat:

1. everyone would step on them.
2. everyone would eat them

You have not heard of the BUNNOSAURUS, now, have you???
 
Well...T Rex could move fast enough to catch many of the other dinosaurs I'll bet. He just looks faster than most of the others.

Sure would be cool to go back in a time and watch T Rex hunt and kill for a while.

I'd keep a respectable distance. :wodin:
 
god damn!!! the blaze sure is glad to know that the t-rex aint so fast. i keep having this dream where i am busy blazing some amazon type bitch in like the rain forrest or some shit and a fucking t-rex comes at me just as im about to blaze all over the girls tits. the t-rex comes at me right so i grab the girl and throw her at it and it eats her up. then it comes at me and chases me. i fucking blazed my ass out of there but it was fucking fast and i barely make it away alive. now that i know its not so fast i dont have to worry about it catching me.

THIS IS BLAZE, SLEEPING PEACEFULLY!!!!
 
Jimsbbc said:
The thing was all legs, how could it not run fast?
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They were saying that for its size, it would have to be eighty percent legs, or more, in order to run as fast as depicted in movies.
 
All of this stuff started with Horner's little theory about T-Rex being a pure scavenger. I don' t know what drove him to this, but when breaking down the animal's anatomy it doesn't fly. The fact that no other purely terrestrial warm-blooded animal is nothing more than a scavenger presents a problem. There is not one.

I think they just don't like the big guy's little arms. Problem with this logic is is that it is an anthropomorphic approach or view point. You have to go back and look at all the big ass killer birds that reigned in Australia and South America.

This speed thing has problems. There is a lot about these animals that is guess work. Keep this in mind, this animal would not keep evolving to get bigger and bigger only to make it a less effective predator. It doesn't work that way. Muscle reconstruction based upon skeletal structure and analysis can only say so much. Maybe the sucker can't run 45 mph, but only 11-25, I seriously doubt that.

I know I just threw a lot out without going in depth. I am trying to not go off on a giant rant about this subject. The T-Rex scavenger/predator debate along with the true and proper classification of dinosaurs, birds, and pterosaurs really gets under my skin. :spin:
 
The Dude said:
All of this stuff started with Horner's little theory about T-Rex being a pure scavenger. I don' t know what drove him to this, but when breaking down the animal's anatomy it doesn't fly. The fact that no other purely terrestrial warm-blooded animal is nothing more than a scavenger presents a problem. There is not one.
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I would like to hear you go more into detail about your views on the subject.
T-rex was probably both: a scavenger and an ambush-like attacking predator. They are saying that he most likely was not able to run as quickly as originally thought. There is no denying his size: we have the fossils to prove that.

bunny
 
But how fast could his prey run?

And what was their time in the 40? T Rex looks like he could fly for 40-50 yds.
 
Test boy said:
But how fast could his prey run?

And what was their time in the 40? T Rex looks like he could fly for 40-50 yds.
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My assumption is that even if the t-rex was not able to run as quickly as it's prey, it didnt have to. They are suggesting that he snuck up on the prey (as would a lioness) and attacked. But how a huge dinosaur could sneak up on anything is beyond me! lol

bunny
 
bunnymt said:


My assumption is that even if the t-rex was not able to run as quickly as it's prey, it didnt have to. They are suggesting that he snuck up on the prey (as would a lioness) and attacked. But how a huge dinosaur could sneak up on anything is beyond me! lol

bunny
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HEH, that is pretty funny, getting snuck be a dinosaur.

This new theory was put forth after "new" computer software simulated it's movement.
 
bunnymt said:


My assumption is that even if the t-rex was not able to run as quickly as it's prey, it didnt have to. They are suggesting that he snuck up on the prey (as would a lioness) and attacked. But how a huge dinosaur could sneak up on anything is beyond me! lol

bunny
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Yep, a 7 ton animal does not sneak well. I don't buy the sneaker theory.

No reason why they could not hunt as a team though. Except for the tiny brains I think.

Dinosaurs had 4 chamber hearts. They were warm blooded contrary to popular teachings.
 
gwl9dta4 said:



HEH, that is pretty funny, getting snuck be a dinosaur.

This new theory was put forth after "new" computer software simulated it's movement.
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I would rather get snuck by a t-rex than by Arnold screaming YOU ARE THE HOMO!!

lol

I think they did actually sneak up on their prey (thanks to the computer software that has simulated their movements and depicted them on tv as such ( as per gwl9dta4)
 
So you think a 7 ton animal could sneak up on you?

Animals have a vastly superior sense of smell, movement, and hearing.
 
Test boy said:
So you think a 7 ton animal could sneak up on you?

Animals have a vastly superior sense of smell, movement, and hearing.
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Sure if it's sneaking up on a 30 ton animal that's way slower and a herbivore to boot.
 
gwl9dta4 said:



Sure if it's sneaking up on a 30 ton animal that's way slower and a herbivore to boot.
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Totally illogical. What makes a 30 ton animal have poor senses?

If the animal is much slower, there is no need for sneaking. Simply run up and start eating.
 
Like I said, I believe that the t-rex acted similarily to a lioness, approaching and then ambushing her prey. It is possible, taken consideration for much slower speeds.

bunny
 
Co-incidence - I Just saw a quick blurb on t-rex hunting on discovery a couple days ago. From what I remember - Analysis on bones from T-rex young revealed that the young had bigger legs and were lighter before turning adult (they could run a lot faster) -so its assumed that they would scare up the prey (herd them | being faster) into the adults position, ambush.
 
Test boy said:
Totally illogical. What makes a 30 ton animal have poor senses?

If the animal is much slower, there is no need for sneaking. Simply run up and start eating.
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Well they do not necessarily have to have poor sences, but sences attuned differently then a hunter carnivore. Today a Antelope can still get snuck by a lioness but it's sences are very attuned and sharp, so anything is possible.

Much like humans, animals sometimes are not concentrating on the surroundings, like when they eat or are preoccupied, that's what a hunter looks for, that momentary lapse in attention that will cost you your life.
 
             Rémy!   said:
Co-incidence - I Just saw a quick blurb on t-rex hunting on discovery a couple days ago. From what I remember - Analysis on bones from T-rex young revealed that the young had bigger legs and were lighter before turning adult (they could run a lot faster) -so its assumed that they would scare up the prey (herd them | being faster) into the adults position, ambush.
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That show is old. It was made before this discovery.
 
gwl9dta4 said:



Well they do not necessarily have to have poor sences, but sences attuned differently then a hunter carnivore. Today a Antelope can still get snuck by a lioness but it's sences are very attuned and sharp, so anything is possible.

Much like humans, animals sometimes are not concentrating on the surroundings, like when they eat or are preoccupied, that's what a hunter looks for, that momentary lapse in attention that will cost you your life.
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Lionesses are excellent sneakers. They don't weigh 7 tons. Cats are probably one of the quietest walkers and tend to be low on odors due to hygeine. Hard to beat a clean pussy.
 
Does anyone else find it superflous and ironic that there is urgent breaking news from the world of palentology?
 
The Nature Boy said:
forget about all that. How did they have sex? Did they do it T-rex style? Was there a lot of foreplay involved?
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Curious...I was wondering about this yesterday.

It would indeed be interesting to watch T Rex "get it on." I'm thinking the big fella didn't do much foreplay. Does not strike me as a considerate lover. And consider the lenght of his arms.
 
Unfortunately, there was probably no t-rex style. However, I have read that the female would lay eggs that were to be fertilized by the male. They really don't know too much regarding the sexual prowess of the t-rex. I would imagine it hard to tell by just fossils and fossilized egg shells.

bunny
 
bunnymt said:
Unfortunately, there was probably no t-rex style. However, I have read that the female would lay eggs that were to be fertilized by the male. They really don't know too much regarding the sexual prowess of the t-rex. I would imagine it hard to tell by just fossils and fossilized egg shells.

bunny
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hmmm, it doesn't sounds like T-rexes were very passionate. You'd think they would be. As test boy pointed out, they had very small arms, so there was probably little chance for masterbation so you'd think they'd be horny all the time. how boring. a lame sex life and little foot speed.

My guess is that the Triceritops were probably really good lovers.... as far as dinasours go.
 
The Nature Boy said:


hmmm, it doesn't sounds like T-rexes were very passionate. You'd think they would be. As test boy pointed out, they had very small arms, so there was probably little chance for masterbation so you'd think they'd be horny all the time. how boring. a lame sex life and little foot speed.
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lmao....what about the brontosaurus? They were massive and they probably were good in the 'nest' if you catch my drift.

bunny
 
The Nature Boy said:



My guess is that the Triceritops were probably really good lovers.... as far as dinasours go.
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Si...the horn on the Triceratops would be almost ideally suited for caressing the vulva. Could actually do more than caress if the fella was particularly skilled.
 
bunnymt said:


lmao....what about the brontosaurus? They were massive and they probably were good in the 'nest' if you catch my drift.

bunny
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OMG a sexaul romp between to brontosauri could cause some serious damage to any vegitation and small animals in the surrounding area.

this is a great thread - dinasours and sex. now if I could somehow sneak in robots and monkeys into the topic of conversation this thread would be a real classic.
 
Test boy said:
Si...the horn on the Triceratops would be almost ideally suited for caressing the vulva. Could actually do more than caress if the fella was particularly skilled.
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yeah but there is some marksmanship involved. A horn could wind up in another orafice.... and I heard that Triceritops are not really into anal sex.
 
bunnymt said:


I would like to hear you go more into detail about your views on the subject.
T-rex was probably both: a scavenger and an ambush-like attacking predator. They are saying that he most likely was not able to run as quickly as originally thought. There is no denying his size: we have the fossils to prove that.

bunny
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I will avoid the inevitable rant if I can. Very quickly...yes, he was a scavenger. ALL carnivores are scavengers. Why go and try to kill something over here when I smell something rotting over there? It's easy food and all carnies do it. The notion that T-Rex was NOTHING BUT a scavenger (this is Horner's theory, not the scientists behind the speed study) is so off the wall, it is hard to even begin to address it.

Keep this in mind with regard to it's speed. It has to be able to keep up with it's prey, at least for short bursts. It wouldn't be a marathon runner, but a sprinter like most big predators. However, the likelihood that the animal was full of air sacs like a bird makes it a better candidate for endurance than a mammalian predator. That type of respiratory system is more efficient. Anyway, animals like the ceratopsians were probably AT LEAST as fast as an African elephant. And if you don't know, they can move frighteningly fast considering their size (25 mph). Remember, they are built differently than dinosaurs, especially the theropods. It is easy to see the large ceratopsians easily being the equals of African elephants and the large theropods being quicker AND faster than them.

You have more of the animal's anatomy to look at as well. Instead of me going on and on here, you may want to look it up or message me and I can give you some reading material. Or I can go on there with a more organized presentation of why Horner is whacked on this one particular "crusade" of his. I respect the man overall, but this notion of his is just loopy.
 
The Dude said:


I will avoid the inevitable rant if I can. Very quickly...yes, he was a scavenger. ALL carnivores are scavengers. Why go and try to kill something over here when I smell something rotting over there? It's easy food and all carnies do it. The notion that T-Rex was NOTHING BUT a scavenger (this is Horner's theory, not the scientists behind the speed study) is so off the wall, it is hard to even begin to address it.

Keep this in mind with regard to it's speed. It has to be able to keep up with it's prey, at least for short bursts. It wouldn't be a marathon runner, but a sprinter like most big predators. .
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Horner theory is not correct from everything that I have ever researched and known about the t-rex. Most animals who are predators/carnivores will not pass up a good dead meal anyday: that makes them scavengers as well.
This is exactly what the article is saying: the t-rex was capable of short bursts of speed. They are now speculating as to whether he was able to speed off as fast as orignally believed.
However, Horner and others present these theories as simply speculation. Unless something very ground-breaking occurs, we will probably never be sure about a lot of the aspects of these creatures lives: all of them. We, and men like Horner, can only speculate from the evidence put in front of them and then state their theories, either to be accepted or shunned by the scientific community.

bunny
 
bunnymt said:


Horner theory is not correct from everything that I have ever researched and known about the t-rex. Most animals who are predators/carnivores will not pass up a good dead meal anyday: that makes them scavengers as well.
This is exactly what the article is saying: the t-rex was capable of short bursts of speed. They are now speculating as to whether he was able to speed off as fast as orignally believed.
However, Horner and others present these theories as simply speculation. Unless something very ground-breaking occurs, we will probably never be sure about a lot of the aspects of these creatures lives: all of them. We, and men like Horner, can only speculate from the evidence put in front of them and then state their theories, either to be accepted or shunned by the scientific community.

bunny
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Horner is pretty adament about his T-Rex was only a scavenger theory. He's pushing it like Bakker once pushed warm-bloodedness. Anyway, I understand the short burst and all that, I just doubt their findings on the speed in which it could sprint. Furthermore, you need to keep the likelihood of some type of air sac respiratory system when considering how long they could sprint or if it aided their ability because of their immense size. Air sacs are pretty likely considering both fossil record evidence that is still relatively new and the dinosaurs that still exist today.

Anyway, I'm moving off in another direction since that is one small piece of the T-Rex puzzle. We'll never know a lot, especially since the fossil record is so biased in several ways. I only object to theories being pushed so hard, so fervently with so little backing them up. The speed of T-Rex studies are much more credible than Horner's scavenger theory. I wouldn't be surprised if he doubts his ideas today, but can't back away from them quickly since he's put so much behind it. Scientists get that way sometimes. It took a lot of effort to get the obvious warm-bloodedness theories back in the spotlight and finally accepted. Rearranging the classification system of reptiles, dinosaurs, birds (modern dinos in my mind), and pterosaurs will take even longer. :spin:
 
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