Sust vs. Enanthate? WHich do you guys prefer?

[Neo22]

For running a first cycle breaking into the AAS world. Finally narrowed it down to these two. I know you can pin Sust 2x a week and still gain. Trying to get the most out of a first cycle. I will pin EOD if I had to with sust. Going to run it for 10-12 weeks along with dbol for 4-5 weeks.

 

[jc1908]

need to tell what your stats are, what you want, etc...
sust is the 3 tests, enth is one..the longest ester of the three..the bros want your info before they advise...just letting you know, good luck, jc

 

[Neo22]

need to tell what your stats are, what you want, etc...
sust is the 3 tests, enth is one..the longest ester of the three..the bros want your info before they advise...just letting you know, good luck, jc

I've already posted it about 20 times lol keep debating on what to use first cycle. I've already been up to 194 natural from eating a clean 4000 cals a day. I'm 5'9 175 at around 8-9% right now. Been training for over 3 years hardcore. I know how to diet so thats not an issue. I want to try and remain as lean as possible but I know whatever I use I will get bloat etc..I'de like to gain as much lbm as possible.

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

Sustanon has always been my favorite. My gains last the longest with it. However, I've never heard of anyone injecting every other day with sus. I always injected 500 mgs once per week. I'm not sure if there is any benefit to more frequent injections.

 

[Juice Authority]

Test is test is test is test but Sust is the king of test but then again test is test.

 

[Neo22]

You guys are killing me

 

[finalpress]

First cycle I'd say test e or cyp.Leave sustanon for another cycle.

 

[bnutty187]

Do your self a favor and do the enanthate and dbol. It's a very simple cycle, see how your body reacts to it, when ever I jump into thing I like to keep it simple and that's a great beginner stack. Good luck bro. My 2 pennies for ya.

 

[Neo22]

Do your self a favor and do the enanthate and dbol. It's a very simple cycle, see how your body reacts to it, when ever I jump into thing I like to keep it simple and that's a great beginner stack. Good luck bro. My 2 pennies for ya.

thanks bro

 

[Gman1]

if i had a choice, sust, why have one when you can have 4different test, and the synergetic effects are much better than that of E alone, pluse youll hold less water and not have to use as much... and the sides i dont think are as bad..

 

[Neo22]

if i had a choice, sust, why have one when you can have 4different test, and the synergetic effects are much better than that of E alone, pluse youll hold less water and not have to use as much... and the sides i dont think are as bad..

how would the sides not be as bad? How would you not have to use as much as E? Have you used both?

 

[jc1908]

First cycle I'd say test e or cyp.Leave sustanon for another cycle.

finalpress is right, i didn't catch in your post that it's your virgin cycle...test is test, but for your first i would go with cyp alone, depending on the gear you have,ie..200mg/ml or 300mg/ml..i would go with 400 a week...
but bro, before you take your first pin, have your PCT in hand and ready..not ordered but in hand. my first i wasn't even advised about PCT..let me tell you, the absolute worst experiance of my fucking life as far as gains almost totally lost(strength, pounds) and head wise it was fucking horrible..PCT<PCT, can't say it enough...

 

[Gman1]

the sides are the same, im just saying sust usually doesnt develope as severe, example water retention, honestly ive never ever ever had gyno, and never taked nolva during a cycle either, so i couldnt tell you bout that but water rentetion, sust is better than E, that is prob becuase like i said you dont have to USE as much, you could get awesome results from 500mg sust, and it would take maybe 750mg E, sust is a combo of 4 test, that work synergeticly together 1+1+1+1=5 basically thats the example i mean, you dont have to use as much to get the same result... so obviously theres less a chance of side effects... they both willl make you bigger, my friends first cycle though was 10weeks of sust and he gained 40lbs, on sust alone, so that why i would suggest it cus it worked for him, but theyll both work, if you eat!!!!! OH AND JC is right, PCT is a must with this stuff, do your homework before you start pokin..

 

[rao740]

the sides are the same, im just saying sust usually doesnt develope as severe, example water retention, honestly ive never ever ever had gyno, and never taked nolva during a cycle either, so i couldnt tell you bout that but water rentetion, sust is better than E, that is prob becuase like i said you dont have to USE as much, you could get awesome results from 500mg sust, and it would take maybe 750mg E, sust is a combo of 4 test, that work synergeticly together 1+1+1+1=5 basically thats the example i mean, you dont have to use as much to get the same result... so obviously theres less a chance of side effects... they both willl make you bigger, my friends first cycle though was 10weeks of sust and he gained 40lbs, on sust alone, so that why i would suggest it cus it worked for him, but theyll both work, if you eat!!!!! OH AND JC is right, PCT is a must with this stuff, do your homework before you start pokin..

40 lbs what kind of sust was he using sust is the choice for me i have gained 26 lbs at the most 40 seems a bit high what brand was that again??????

 

[Gman1]

brovel, it was his first cycle, went from 180 to 220, 5'9, he was a trainer so he wasnt clueless to the gym invironment and he ate like there was no tomorrow, but he gain 40lbs and he wasnt a fat ass after also, i was really amazed by that... if your diet right, and your training is FREAKING INTENSE, then you can do almost anything ive relized...

 

[rao740]

i will give you that Gman, deit has a huge role the mexi shit just doesn't do it for me brovel tornel ect, QV rocks butto put on 40 lbs of lean mass is very very tough, how long did he run, how much did he run and anything else with it (dbol, abombs, ect...)

rao740

 

[Gman1]

im with you on that, i have to say i used some sust brovel and it got me 15lbs... my diet wasnt as good as it coulda been, i slacked i wasnt motivated like he was, but i know its possible and no he just ran it, 500mg a week for 10weeks then 250mg for 1week then 125mg week 12, the pct for lil over 3weeks, he didnt take anything else,, if he did he didnt tell me bout it LOL... seriously we killed it in the weight room, 600lb squats for reps, 600lbs deads for reps, 360lb bench, 150dumbells, 140lb curls for 20reps, dips with 5plates between legs, 315narrow bench press, 330lbs incline, oh and my favorite 1800lb leg press!! we got it all.. and then we ate, all freaking day, i was already 210 i just went up to 233, it was just my 2nd cycle, i used tren dbol, he went only sust.. so i say diet and training intensity and will is whats gonna do it, drugs just help a little... unless you want it there not going to help though..

 

[flex2win]

What a load...

 

[southeastar]

id have to disagree for what said about sust.
its true that sust has less side effects but this means also less gains.
the steroids that give more sides give also more gains.
sust would be a good choise when used eod since the short esters don't get wasted.

 

[digimon7068]

First cycle I'd say test e or cyp.Leave sustanon for another cycle.

Why? More info please. I'm trying to make this same decision myself. I used sust for my first injectable cycle and LOVED IT.

 

[spikemydog]

sust kicks in alot faster.only diff ive seen.

 

[needtogetaas]

sust is just a fad right now,its so over rated and over priced.

 

[Neo22]

Guys I already know what pct I'm gonna do thats not the issue here. Trying to find out which compound I will gain the most from for a first cycle. I don't want to do enanthate and wish I had done sust or vice versa.

 

[digimon7068]

Guys I already know what pct I'm gonna do thats not the issue here. Trying to find out which compound I will gain the most from for a first cycle. I don't want to do enanthate and wish I had done sust or vice versa.

Used sust for my first injectable cycle and I really liked it. IMO if you decide on sust, use omnadren, same and cheaper.

 

[finalpress]

Used both sust and test e and I make gains on either....difference in a cycle to me is a just a couple lb's more nothing major.I did my first cycle on test e(ICN's) and gained alot that cycle doing 2 ICN's a week for 500mg's though it was a bit more due to ICN's being overfilled to about 1.2cc's.I like both compounds but for ease of use first cycle it has to be a long ester test in my opinion.I've used as far as test e goes ICN's,Iranian's,testovirons,and UG gear for sust its been nile,karachi,and omnas.I tend to use more test e in cycle now at days though.

 

[critical_mass70]

the sides are the same, im just saying sust usually doesnt develope as severe, example water retention, honestly ive never ever ever had gyno, and never taked nolva during a cycle either, so i couldnt tell you bout that but water rentetion, sust is better than E, that is prob becuase like i said you dont have to USE as much, you could get awesome results from 500mg sust, and it would take maybe 750mg E, sust is a combo of 4 test, that work synergeticly together 1+1+1+1=5 basically thats the example i mean, you dont have to use as much to get the same result... so obviously theres less a chance of side effects... they both willl make you bigger, my friends first cycle though was 10weeks of sust and he gained 40lbs, on sust alone, so that why i would suggest it cus it worked for him, but theyll both work, if you eat!!!!! OH AND JC is right, PCT is a must with this stuff, do your homework before you start pokin..

Hey Bro,
Sust is a good choice, I shot sust last summer for 8weeks @ 750mgs per week with 30mgs of d-bol a day. The d-bol made me breakout a bit so I cut back to 25mgs per day and it cleared up. I gained 23lbs in that 8 weeks. 2 weeks after the cycle was done I still retained 19lbs of the mass However, everybody is different that was just my experience. Well, just my cents, so good luck bro. And listen to the fella's get the pct first, just in case, Keep us posted...

 

[finalpress]

Why? More info please. I'm trying to make this same decision myself. I used sust for my first injectable cycle and LOVED IT.

I've done sust various times but I tend to do more long ester cycles myself.I've made good gains on sust but I've made better gains on test e also.When it comes to sust I prefer nile or karachi both give me soreness due to the prop ester crystallizing in the muscle.Omna's give me the same thing guess its how my body responds to prop but I get water retention on those more so then karachi/nile.

I've seen ppl swell up on sust shots just like prop and I think it might hinder some ppl who are new to the game.I can take high concentration test e shots myself and work through the soreness/pain with no problem...same on sust.Personally I don't care about swollen muscles or soreness...still gotta do the work in order to grow.As long as its not red,swollen,and hot who cares go workout!

 

[wellbilt]

I've done sust various times but I tend to do more long ester cycles myself.I've made good gains on sust but I've made better gains on test e also.When it comes to sust I prefer nile or karachi both give me soreness due to the prop ester crystallizing in the muscle.Omna's give me the same thing guess its how my body responds to prop but I get water retention on those more so then karachi/nile.

I've seen ppl swell up on sust shots just like prop and I think it might hinder some ppl who are new to the game.I can take high concentration test e shots myself and work through the soreness/pain with no problem...same on sust.Personally I don't care about swollen muscles or soreness...still gotta do the work in order to grow.As long as its not red,swollen,and hot who cares go workout!

i agree i think the only real problem with sus is the injection pain
some people get this worse than other
i used omnas over the winter and by the 3 shot i got used to the soreness
one word of advice if u use sus dont take your first inject in the quad ,i did this and could not walk right for a week

 

[chefbone]

For your first cycle I would recommend 500mg a week of Test E, split into two shots. Reason being, Sust, IMO, should be used EOD or every three days to benefit from the short esters. Which, in turn, turns your body into a pin cushion on your first cycle. If you want, you could front load Sust for 2-3 weeks, run the Test E through out the entire cycle and see results much quicker than you would just doing Test E.

 

[michaeltt]

For your first cycle I would recommend 500mg a week of Test E, split into two shots. Reason being, Sust, IMO, should be used EOD or every three days to benefit from the short esters. Which, in turn, turns your body into a pin cushion on your first cycle. If you want, you could front load Sust for 2-3 weeks, run the Test E through out the entire cycle and see results much quicker than you would just doing Test E.

Whats the point in injecting test e twice a week at 250mg?

 

[chefbone]

Whats the point in injecting test e twice a week at 250mg?

Stable blood levels, which equal less sides.

 

[michaeltt]

Stable blood levels, which equal less sides.

next cycle i think ill take your advice and try the twice a week injections for a long acting ester, to see if i see a difference.