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HelpMeBulkPeople!

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How is this looking for my 3rd cycle this time stacked with Dbol?

Week 1-4 Dbol @ 25mg
Week 1-13 sust 250 @ 500mg Every8days
Week 16 -18 pct ( nolvadex 20mg & clomid 50mg )


And what supps should I take eg, milk thistle....

Please keep as simple as poss lol cheers lads



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CoQ10 and fish oil. Multivitamin too. If your muscles are building too fast and the rest of your body doesn't recover, you will be a lot more prone to injuries.


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Eh with stuff like that, just go off the bottle. You could always do a TAD more considering most people that use those products aren't supplementing for steroid use. Your body could probably use it a lot more than a regular person.


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I've just been reading about liv52 think I'm gonna go with that and arimidex...
With the arimidex how do I know what the right dose for me is? And when do I start the arimidex and finish mate?


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HelpMeBulkPeople! said:
I've just been reading about liv52 think I'm gonna go with that and arimidex...
With the arimidex how do I know what the right dose for me is? And when do I start the arimidex and finish mate?


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u can go get an e2 blood test to see estrogen levels. I did while off cycle and post pct to see my baseline was already high. so I take.5 ed


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Well as far as PCT goes, it depends on the half life of the gear you're using. I don't know them off the top of my head. But a quick Google of "when should I start (insert PCT here)?" You usually can find a list with the half life of each of the most common steroids and when to start the PCT.


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My pct will consist of nolvadex and clomid I'm using the arimidex during the cycle to help gyno.
Although I'm having some real trouble to find it [emoji53]


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HelpMeBulkPeople! said:
How is this looking for my 3rd cycle this time stacked with Dbol?

Week 1-4 Dbol @ 25mg
Week 1-13 sust 250 @ 500mg Every8days
Week 16 -18 pct ( nolvadex 20mg & clomid 50mg )


And what supps should I take eg, milk thistle....

Please keep as simple as poss lol cheers lads



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25 mgs of Dbol are a bit too few - you won't feel much from such a dosage. go for 40-50 mgs per day for noticeable results.

Ancillaries: N2Guard (high quality liver support), aromasin (10 mgs EOD from the first day of the cycle).

You also need to run a more complete PCT in order to keep your gains, and have a much easier recovery. To the clomid and nolva it will be a good idea to add some HCGenerate, and if possible - Ostarine. You should never run cheap with a PCT, as it is half of the success.
 
HelpMeBulkPeople! said:
My pct will consist of nolvadex and clomid I'm using the arimidex during the cycle to help gyno.
Although I'm having some real trouble to find it [emoji53]


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In my experience you have to look hard for a good gear source. With PCT, although it's illegal to obtain without a prescription, it's not a controlled substance or an anabolic so it's very easy to find a good source. I ordered from some generic Canadian Pharmacy and had no issues. They usually throw in some viagra or something too, although God knows you don't need it on cycle.
Just do a quick Google and read some reviews. If you look around these forums there is one site that pops up all the time. I don't have the link available right now, however.


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Also, I just ordered some gear from Pharmacom labs for my brother. They are a very trusted source around here, and they sell PCT as well.

int.basicstero.ws


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Cheers for the replies it's all a big help !
I also have to disagree with you lev I've seen my pals get a nice size from 25mg [emoji53]
Also could you run through the other bits I should add to my pct lev?


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HelpMeBulkPeople! said:
Cheers for the replies it's all a big help !
I also have to disagree with you lev I've seen my pals get a nice size from 25mg [emoji53]
Also could you run through the other bits I should add to my pct lev?


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Well, that depends on each particular person in the end of the day, and on your goals. 25 mgs might be enough to feel the effects of Dbol, but if you are all out bulking, you would obviously get better results from 40-50 mgs, and the liver stress would not increase exponentially.

Regarding the PCT, my recommendation would be to check out this article - there you will find all the info you need, and this is the PCT protocol I recommend to all of my clients - https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
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Well, that depends on each particular person in the end of the day, and on your goals. 25 mgs might be enough to feel the effects of Dbol, but if you are all out bulking, you would obviously get better results from 40-50 mgs, and the liver stress would not increase exponentially.

Regarding the PCT, my recommendation would be to check out this article - there you will find all the info you need, and this is the PCT protocol I recommend to all of my clients - https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Alright mate thank you [emoji1303]


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Lev Butlerov said:
Well, that depends on each particular person in the end of the day, and on your goals. 25 mgs might be enough to feel the effects of Dbol, but if you are all out bulking, you would obviously get better results from 40-50 mgs, and the liver stress would not increase exponentially.

Regarding the PCT, my recommendation would be to check out this article - there you will find all the info you need, and this is the PCT protocol I recommend to all of my clients - https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Should I worry about my liver? Obv I should stay cautious but i know people that have cycled d bol with NO AI and they have been ok. I'm not a drinker at all so my liver should in perfect condition


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The use of an AI does not affect the liver condition, so it should not be taken in consideration in this context. There is no need to be worried about the liver, but it would definitely make a lot of sense to prevent any possible issues by using a good liver supporting supplement along with your Dbol. You may not drink, but there are a lot of other factors that can influence your liver health - the food you eat, the other meds you use, heavy metals found in tap water....you name it. Therefore, it is best to be cautious. In the worst of the cases, by using the liver support you will just get your liver healthier, which is not bad in my opinion.
 
Yer my thoughts exactly [emoji1305] just seems like a lot of meds going in my body but if it prevents problems then I won't worry.
Should I still take LIV52 as well as aromasin and baby aspirin ?


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Ok so I've just come across some info on liv52..... It will affect the Dbol ( which now makes a lot of sense [emoji848] )
I'm more of a safe than sorry type, I'm just wondering if 16 liv52 tabs a day is too much? Any advice?


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I would rather go with N2Guard - it is better than Liv52 in every single regard. Just compare the ingredient lists, and you will see it by yourself. And it should not affect the Dbol, so I would not worry about it. And yes, you should definitely use aromasin throughout the entire cycle.
 
7 caps N2Guard is what you want. It contains NAC, TUDCA, and Milk Thistle just to name a few ingredients. Those are the best for the liver. It also has like 40 other ingredients so you can see how it is so much better than liv52.
 
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HelpMeBulkPeople! said:
Also, it says " prevents water retention" [emoji53] I want water retention as my goal is bulking.
And the dose says 1 capsule a day, is that really enough?
I'm uk based


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1. Yes, it can reduce water retention, which is a good thing. Your goal of having water retention as part of your bulk is not a good idea - this water retention will be gone as soon as you stop the cycle, and it is not healthy to retain excessive water in your body.

2. 1 cap a day is good as a general support, but if you are on a steroid cycle, I would rather say 5 caps per day.
 
My cycle starts in 7 days I ain't going to find any OR get any shipped in that time [emoji53]
I've put too much into this and prepared for too long to wait. I've bought cod liver oil tabs and multivitamins to take daily just to add abit more goodness. I'm gonna stick with the cycle support I found and see how I feel with that. Such a killa how scarce n2guard is [emoji20]


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You can order n2guard directly from n2bm.com. They ship fast. If you place an order now, it'll probably be mailed out tonight.

The recommended dosage of n2guard is 7 capsules/day. I would use the full recommended dosage when using liver toxic oral steroids.
 
Definitely start your cycle since you put so much work into it. Just order some N2Guard and switch to it when you get it. A few days or a week are not going to make a huge difference. It is like comparing what will be ok vs. what is optimal.
 
Cheers boys I'm ordering it now, I expect delivery to be about month [emoji53] coming from the states !
The cycle support picture I uploaded I got wrong, it's 2 tabs a day, should I stick with the recommended dosage or take twice the dose at 4 tabs [emoji53]


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So I got life support 2.0
The serving is 4 a day. Do I take during the whole cycle ( 13 weeks ) 4 tabs a day or stop after 4 weeks ( dbol cycle end ) ??


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So I got life support 2.0
The serving is 4 a day. Do I take during the whole cycle ( 13 weeks ) 4 tabs a day or stop after 4 weeks ( dbol cycle end ) ??


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This supplement is very weak, so I would take double the dosage they suggest, and would do so throughout the entire cycle.

You can take less N2Guard usually, but this is because it has over 30 ingredients, including the kings of liver support - TUDCA and NAC. This supplement has just 10 ingredients, all of which are rather average.
 
If you take some time to research liver aid supplements, TUDCA is truly the best liver aid supplement on the market today. No questions asked.

Check out this article -> https://www.evolutionary.org/tudca

Life support 2.0 would be better then nothing but I would stack it with TUDCA or use a liver aid supplement that has a full serving of TUDCA in each dosage like N2guard.
 
You definitely need TUDCA in your support. The reason companies leave it out is because it is expensive and they just want to have a cheap product. In the end you get what you pay for. Stick to N2Guard with NAC, TUDCA, Milk Thistle, and over 40 total ingredients.
 
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