Sus & Deca & GH!!!

[macca321]

Hi everybody.


i will start at the beggining as this usually helps:

I am 24 and have been training for a little over a year and have gained some size and mass, although i recently came of a bulking diet and went from 12 stone to 13 1/2 stone( belly incuded). I wanted to start a course of steroids to gain more size and mass then cut it all in for the summer. I have researched this alot but still come up against the same barriers, i do not have a degree in science acronyms and do not understand what people mean when they describe things as such. I have gathered that i can take sus & deca together and realise doses vary depending on the person but i have some questions remaining about them, also i keep seeing things like clomids for post cycle and other things that baffel me. I have heard of a product called GROWTH ( which i can only summise is Growth hormone) i understand the effects of this but still have some questions about it.........so in a nut shell i guess i need help having the whole priciple described to me. although i will list some questions and if you can answer them that would be class......cheers in advance!!!


1. how long should my 1st cycle take and what doses should i have of each?
2. should these be injected at the same time and in the same needle?
3. what type of pre and post products do i need to take and how long for?
4. do you have other tips for 1st timers?
5.do you need insulin whilst on this cycle?
6.which would be better taking first, GH or steroids? - or at the same time?

If you have any other tips or do's and dont's please let me know all info welcome..........ta v much peeps!!!!

 

[rambleon]

Hi everybody.


i will start at the beggining as this usually helps:

I am 24 and have been training for a little over a year and have gained some size and mass, although i recently came of a bulking diet and went from 12 stone to 13 1/2 stone( belly incuded). I wanted to start a course of steroids to gain more size and mass then cut it all in for the summer. I have researched this alot but still come up against the same barriers, i do not have a degree in science acronyms and do not understand what people mean when they describe things as such. I have gathered that i can take sus & deca together and realise doses vary depending on the person but i have some questions remaining about them, also i keep seeing things like clomids for post cycle and other things that baffel me. I have heard of a product called GROWTH ( which i can only summise is Growth hormone) i understand the effects of this but still have some questions about it.........so in a nut shell i guess i need help having the whole priciple described to me. although i will list some questions and if you can answer them that would be class......cheers in advance!!!


1. how long should my 1st cycle take and what doses should i have of each?
2. should these be injected at the same time and in the same needle?
3. what type of pre and post products do i need to take and how long for?
4. do you have other tips for 1st timers?
5.do you need insulin whilst on this cycle?
6.which would be better taking first, GH or steroids? - or at the same time?

If you have any other tips or do's and dont's please let me know all info welcome..........ta v much peeps!!!!

First off: A stone is what: 14 lbs. Is that about right? If so u are at 189 lbs now (including belly as u say). I gather that u have a somewhat high bf (bodyfat percent). Is that right?

I'm afraid that this won't be what u want to hear. Now: Both the fact that u have only been lifting for a year and the weight/bf thing drives me to conclude that u are nowhere near ready for juicing yet. U can achieve much much more naturally before u start juicing.

If u start the juice now u will most likely find it very hard to grow without it in the future. And the benefit u'll get from it won't be nearly as great as it would be if u had reached ur natural potential first.

If u work hard at ur diet and training a couple years more u'll be amazed where that'll get u.

If u insist on doing it anyway (as u probably will) u should stick to one compound only on ur first run. That way u'll know what the source of any problems that may arise are.

Oh... And PLEASE forget about insulin altogether. That shit can kill u if u make even a small fuckup. On that note forget about the growth hormone too. U'd need to be on for a long time and it would cost many times as much as a steroid cycle. It would also mean another level of risk in terms of sideeffects. This is for advanced users only IMO or for people under supervision of a MD.

As stated: I STRONGLY advice u to hold off a few years but if u insist on doing it anyway do this:

week 1-8: testosterone enanthate 250 mg ew (that means two injections with .5 ml each week for 8 weeks.)
week 9: hcg 500 iu eod (that means getting a vial of pregnyl and injecting 500 units any other day)
week 10-11: nolva 20 mg ed (one tablet of taximofene each day for 2 weeks)

 

[goin on 4T]

GH is a waste for this cycle...

 

[Dial_tone]

I'm of the opinion you won't have enough muscle control to benefit from a cycle after one year. You'll gain weight but you won't look any better, just huskier.

 

[macca321]

First thanks for the replies everyone!!!

Rambleon - cheers........1 stone is 14lbs your'e right, i wouldnt say a massive body fat % but probably more than i should have, (belly being them main area of concern). How would i know when i am at my natural potential? Thanks again for the insulin advice, might have saved me a real BIG fuckup there. I am on a bulk training programme for the bulking diet but stopped the bulking diet for a a week or 2 to let the belly shrink. I stick to low reps high weight with strict form....on the test cycle should i choose to do the same or should i stick with a more reps lighter weight approach to try and combat the weight gain?


Dial_tone - forgive my idiocy but what do you mean by muscle control?


Guess i have some thinking to do........Cheers all!!