Suppinated vs Pronated grip for rows

[SpyWizard]

try alteranted grip, then switch up

 

[ExtraMile]

Look, first I said this:

well yeah supinated puts the biceps in a stronger position, just like doing curl grip chins as opposed to wide overhand chins. But the supinated grip rows is said to incorperate more of the lower lats where as the wider overhand grip to use more upper lats. Im not sure about when other back muscles such as traps, rhomboids, teres major, teres minor etc are used more though.

Dorian Yates favoured underhand grip stuff more because I think his theory was that the bi's are the weakest link of the pulling muscles so why not put them in a position where they can be strongest so as not to limit the poundage even further. He had one of the best backs the world has seen...

I admit I said the biceps are the "strongest" but I meant in their strongest position, not that they were stronger than the lats or that this was the strongest position to pull a weight.

Then you told me:

This is inaccurate.

You are ignoring the fact that the curl grip places the LATS in a stronger mechanical position. Try this: hang for a chinup in both the supinated and pronated the stretch in you lats in increased when the hands are in the curl grip position.

But then you said:

That's why I think that curl grip chins are one of the best biceps exercises

So are you saying curl grip is one of the best exercises for biceps, and also one of the best exercises for lats too as they are both in the position where they are strongest or can get the best pull? If so then why was what I said wrong? Surely you can see why Im confused...

Did you just mean what I said about dorian wanting to eliminate the weakest like is false because if he wanted to do that he would use a neutral grip?

 

[Tblock1]

In terms of bending the elbow, your body does it best when you are using a neutral grip. The brachiallis is the true prime mover involved in elbow flexion. When you have a palms-up grip, you are not able to use your brachiallis which makes the biceps do all of the work - I didn't metion foreams. As biceps are more heavily involved in bending the arm when fully supinated, therefore, curl grip exercises are best for training the biceps because the offer a degree of isolation, however, the flexors of the arm are STRONGEST when in neutral position.

You don't deadlift with a curl grip because it puts too much direct stress on the biceps. Same with rowing in a boat, starting a lawnmower or carrying shit.

At the end of the day, it's just sacks of meat and fluid connected to bones at certain points.

I think this is what he is trying to say, you are putting too much stress on the biceps using the supinated grip so don't use it.