MasonicBodybuilder, I appreciate your insight. No, I'm sure IAM not ready for Tren. Here's the thing...I'm gonna be 36 next month...how much longer do I have for this "sport". How much longer do I have to even keep any gains made at this point?? Well, not very long. IAM not new to "substances". IAM clean now, but you have to understand, whatever Tren feels like I guarantee I've experienced much worse with hard drugs. So in conclusion my friend, IAM trying to speed up any possible gains I could as fast as possible, therefore I might as well use the strongest. Thanks man.