Steroids ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

[needtogetaas]

I agree with what you're saying. In fact, I do suggest to women NOT to go on BC. It does alter your hormones substantially. I was on the pill for a few years when I was younger and it took my body on a roller coaster ride. I didn't gained a lot of weight, fortunately, however I was very bloated, retaining a lot of water. My moods were also uncontrollable. I was lucky I didn't end up with other health related illness (such as cancer) as a result.

Your wife is better off using other methods of BC.

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

 

[Thandie]

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

Oooh, does it have to be the the 'old snip'?
What about other alternatives??

 

[slat1]

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

They can do it now with out cutting or using a needle... or so the add on the radio says every morning.

 

[needtogetaas]

Oooh, does it have to be the the 'old snip'?
What about other alternatives??

I could start sleeping with older less fertile woman.
















I kid I kid.

 

[Thandie]

I could start sleeping with older less fertile woman.



I kid I kid.

I know!

 

[sessa]

Just to add in my 2 cents to this whole debate

I was on the BC pill for about 5 years. Then in 2004 I went off it to get ready for a fitness model show. Well, i didn't end up getting my period for 2 years. I was sent to every dr out there. No real answers...

My period is still irregular now. I have recently been to a endocrinologist and she said I have all the symptoms of low estrogen.
I have a hard time focusing, really bad night sweats, and other issues. I also know that my testosterone is below the charts.
So for the next month I have to give blood at different points to check all the hormonal levels.

She said that I am going to have to go on HRT. That if I don't having the low estrogen can lead to osteo and other issues.
And I already have low bone mass. So one of the options would be to go back on the pill. It sends the body estrogen and progesterone which i need.

BTW I am only 30. But i am not sure if all this stemmed from being on the pill or not.
The dr. mentioned that a lot of athletes run into hormone issues because of low body fat levels.
Mine are below 15%, but I wouldn't call that low. Guess to society it is.

 

[ironwings]

On average a women needs 21% bodyfat to be in optimal health. Meaning there is enough body created fat and fat intake to: insulate organs, keep a consistant body temperature, protect against disease (the body can actually store disease like substances in fat cells until the body can discreet them on its own), have a healthy pregnancy, aid in breastfeeding, sustain hormone levels after birth, and protect against osteoporosis. I'm sure there are more that aren't coming to me right now. There is also a risk if you sustain under 18% bodyfat of being vitamin deficient (no matter gender or height). I think in A,D,E and maybe K.

Just wanted to share -I am certainly not saying we should all be over 21% - lord help us. Athletes have routine blood tests to ensure everything is functioning properly, we should too - especially if using hormones. Most importantly know your body and if something doesn't feel right, don't ignore it.

On to the real subject:

The difference in BC and steroids or HRT is that there is tons of research done on them. We know very little about long term effect of HRT or steroids. Mostly, because they can't be patented, thus not making money, thus not researched.

All in all, steroid use (legal or illegal), the pill or HRT is a very personal choice. I'm not sure someone taking HRT is all that much different than someone taking steroids. Neither are used for life or death medical concerns - but rather used for a better quality of life, comfort, vatality as we age, and vanity. I'm sure we all recall our mothers or grandmothers living in a time where symptoms of peri or menapause and PMS were considered a women's duty to endure. Don't throw eggs at me ladies...I'm not taking sides. I simply believe it is a personal choice and one needs to be aware of options and risks no matter what supplements they are taking. Know there are more risks associated with illegal steroids than bc or HRT. But also know we really don't know enough about any of them to be conclusive.

 

[needtogetaas]

Good thread.

 

[Tatyana]

Ya I need to stop being such a pussy and get the old snippy snip.

And BINGO was his name-o.

It is a very simple procedure for men, and you can have your tubes 'tied' so it is reversible.

 

[Tatyana]

On average a women needs 21% bodyfat to be in optimal health. Meaning there is enough body created fat and fat intake to: insulate organs, keep a consistant body temperature, protect against disease (the body can actually store disease like substances in fat cells until the body can discreet them on its own), have a healthy pregnancy, aid in breastfeeding, sustain hormone levels after birth, and protect against osteoporosis. I'm sure there are more that aren't coming to me right now. There is also a risk if you sustain under 18% bodyfat of being vitamin deficient (no matter gender or height). I think in A,D,E and maybe K.

Just wanted to share -I am certainly not saying we should all be over 21% - lord help us. Athletes have routine blood tests to ensure everything is functioning properly, we should too - especially if using hormones. Most importantly know your body and if something doesn't feel right, don't ignore it.

On to the real subject:

The difference in BC and steroids or HRT is that there is tons of research done on them. We know very little about long term effect of HRT or steroids. Mostly, because they can't be patented, thus not making money, thus not researched.

All in all, steroid use (legal or illegal), the pill or HRT is a very personal choice. I'm not sure someone taking HRT is all that much different than someone taking steroids. Neither are used for life or death medical concerns - but rather used for a better quality of life, comfort, vatality as we age, and vanity. I'm sure we all recall our mothers or grandmothers living in a time where symptoms of peri or menapause and PMS were considered a women's duty to endure. Don't throw eggs at me ladies...I'm not taking sides. I simply believe it is a personal choice and one needs to be aware of options and risks no matter what supplements they are taking. Know there are more risks associated with illegal steroids than bc or HRT. But also know we really don't know enough about any of them to be conclusive.

There have been a huge number of studies done on women related to BC pills and HRT, and as all of us are aware, the results are often quite conflicting, they protect against osteoporosis, they increase or decrease the risk of heart disease and stroke, increase or decrease the risk of breast cancer...

All of this is related to our biochemical individuality and how scientific research is done. It is a population mean from which predictions can be made.

While the BC pill and HRT are quite safe for the vast majority of women, there are some for which these hormones are going to have a detrimental effect.

Personally, while I have avoided the pill most of my life, I am already starting to do research into HRT as I do want to make an informed choice when the time comes that I will have to choose.

I am leaning towards taking it, however there are several issues that I need to consider:

1. Testosterone is not prescribed with HRT in the UK.

2. I think the majority of the drugs available for HRT are not the biologically matched one (or whatever Thandie referred to it as).

3. I will have to have this confirmed, but I don't think you can compete as a natural if you take HRT in the UK, which I find a bit odd as it is ok for women to be on the pill.