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Steroids effects on the HEART, a real study on 4 bodybuilders

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o got this from another forum from a posted titled 'maldorf', but i think people on this forum would love to read it as i found is VERY interesting



EXCELLENT CASE STUDY OF 4 BODYBUILDERS USING STEROIDS FOR MANY YEARS
I am not going to paraphrase and spoon feed the info in this study here. I am going to summarize some of the things I found interesting in this study. You then need to read through this study carefully, and pay close attention. Hopefully the terminology wont throw you off.

Here are some things I found rather interesting. The average age of the 4 guys in this study is 30 yrs old. They all had a normal resting heart rate and normal blood pressure. Anabolic steroids have been proven to increase the chances of getting a blood clot, CLINICALLY PROVEN. They have been proven to cause hypertrophy(thickening) of the heart in all walls, and this reverses considerably once they get off the steroids. The stiffening of the heart and lack of contractility (hypokenetic) do not seem to get better after steroids are stopped. Anabolic steroids bring on fibrotic changes in the heart(scar tissue like) and they think a lot of it is mediated by aldosterone. These fibrotic changes can be fought by taking spironolactone. I myself now take spironolactone because my cardiologist told me to. I now do what my doctor tells me to do. (PLEASE NOBODY GO SELF MEDICATING YOURSELF WITH SPIRONOLACTONE PLEASE!!)

Patient #2 almost died during exercise testing from an arrythmia . He had to be shocked several times to stop tachycardia and to avoid any further ventricular fibrillation. he did start to fibrillate some. I had this very same experience and now have a defibrillator planted in my chest. This patient was fooling around very foolishly with high doses of clen trying to get ready for a contest. I guess he didnt care if he died as long as he got a trophy.

Patient 4 had 3 blood clots when admitted to the hospital, yes 3!! One in his left leg, one in his right ventricle, and one in his left ventricle.

All patients resumed taking steroids eventually. Patient 4 left the study as soon as his blood clots were clear and was never heard from again. Bullheaded, ah those docs dont know nothin.

Just sit and spend some time. Most of you on here want to be educated on steriods, and its good that you see what can happen to the heart. Now I know many of you are going to think that they are taking mega doses and this isnt going to happen to me. It is hard to figure out what table one exactly means. I dont know if those #s are weekly doses or what, but they are on the high end. Looks like several grams of test a week maybe. Cannot really tell for certain how to interpret the table. It is foolish to throw away your conern for heart health in this matter thinking that the only reason they had trouble was the high doses. The effects here are additive,and collect over many years. these young men averaged age 30, and so they really had not been using all that long. Looking at the study, it seems the average years of usage was just 8 years. Even if someone were using 1/2 the dose, what will their heart look like in 16 years? 20 years? These men were 30 years old and hearts weaker than a healthy 90 year old man's. There is a good chance my father may out live me and he is 72 years old. Much healthier than I am.

Here is a link to the study.

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/.../1576.full.pdf
 
thatbloke said:
o got this from another forum from a posted titled 'maldorf', but i think people on this forum would love to read it as i found is VERY interesting



EXCELLENT CASE STUDY OF 4 BODYBUILDERS USING STEROIDS FOR MANY YEARS
I am not going to paraphrase and spoon feed the info in this study here. I am going to summarize some of the things I found interesting in this study. You then need to read through this study carefully, and pay close attention. Hopefully the terminology wont throw you off.

Here are some things I found rather interesting. The average age of the 4 guys in this study is 30 yrs old. They all had a normal resting heart rate and normal blood pressure. Anabolic steroids have been proven to increase the chances of getting a blood clot, CLINICALLY PROVEN. They have been proven to cause hypertrophy(thickening) of the heart in all walls, and this reverses considerably once they get off the steroids. The stiffening of the heart and lack of contractility (hypokenetic) do not seem to get better after steroids are stopped. Anabolic steroids bring on fibrotic changes in the heart(scar tissue like) and they think a lot of it is mediated by aldosterone. These fibrotic changes can be fought by taking spironolactone. I myself now take spironolactone because my cardiologist told me to. I now do what my doctor tells me to do. (PLEASE NOBODY GO SELF MEDICATING YOURSELF WITH SPIRONOLACTONE PLEASE!!)

Patient #2 almost died during exercise testing from an arrythmia . He had to be shocked several times to stop tachycardia and to avoid any further ventricular fibrillation. he did start to fibrillate some. I had this very same experience and now have a defibrillator planted in my chest. This patient was fooling around very foolishly with high doses of clen trying to get ready for a contest. I guess he didnt care if he died as long as he got a trophy.

Patient 4 had 3 blood clots when admitted to the hospital, yes 3!! One in his left leg, one in his right ventricle, and one in his left ventricle.

All patients resumed taking steroids eventually. Patient 4 left the study as soon as his blood clots were clear and was never heard from again. Bullheaded, ah those docs dont know nothin.

Just sit and spend some time. Most of you on here want to be educated on steriods, and its good that you see what can happen to the heart. Now I know many of you are going to think that they are taking mega doses and this isnt going to happen to me. It is hard to figure out what table one exactly means. I dont know if those #s are weekly doses or what, but they are on the high end. Looks like several grams of test a week maybe. Cannot really tell for certain how to interpret the table. It is foolish to throw away your conern for heart health in this matter thinking that the only reason they had trouble was the high doses. The effects here are additive,and collect over many years. these young men averaged age 30, and so they really had not been using all that long. Looking at the study, it seems the average years of usage was just 8 years. Even if someone were using 1/2 the dose, what will their heart look like in 16 years? 20 years? These men were 30 years old and hearts weaker than a healthy 90 year old man's. There is a good chance my father may out live me and he is 72 years old. Much healthier than I am.

Here is a link to the study.

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/.../1576.full.pdf
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It makes sense, but there are so many older guys still alive that were/are juice maniacs.
lee priest- still uses
lou ferrigno- probably still uses
arnold
Radar- lol

of course the heart will be damaged during steroid use. but the amount of damage done will depend on the amount of gear you use, the duration, amount of cycles per year, support supplements, amount of cardio, clean diet, and you natural risk for heart disease.
 
They were all massively OD'ing if you read the study

I think moderation, supplementation, diet, and cardio will go a long way in ensuring this wouldnt happen.
These guys must have been huge


"This paper presents four subjects with serious
clinical problems, all of whom took anabolic steroids in
massive doses for many years while weight training."
 
What were the dosages? That's the main thing. Without that, the study is meaningless.

Testosterone is heart healthy.

I'd venture to guess the problem wasn't the steroids but the patients weight. Where's THAT?
 
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Nelson Montana said:
What were the dosages? That's the main thing. Without that, the study is meaningless.

Testosterone is heart healthy.

I'd venture to guess the problem was the steroids but the patients weight. Where's THAT?
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If you go to the study theres a table that has 3 of the patients dosages, they are very high. I didnt see weight listed for them however

Quote from conclusion:

"the findings of the present report are of most
concern and should warn all physicians and athletes of
the serious risks involved in the continuous use of large
doses of anabolic steroids."
 
Dogfox said:
If you go to the study theres a table that has 3 of the patients dosages, they are very high. I didnt see weight listed for them however

Quote from conclusion:

"the findings of the present report are of most
concern and should warn all physicians and athletes of
the serious risks involved in the continuous use of large
doses of anabolic steroids."
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I think it's more accurate to say, "the serious risks of being 5'7" and weighing over 260 pounds.
 
there maybe "problems" with this study like whats the weight and stats so to speak. I think it s a good find and a "must -read" to say, nevevr hurts to air on the side of caution and hopefully the more people read these posts the more will not use stupidly. I think we get comfortable with them due to usage and being around others who use them (like being in this forum, ie) sometimes its good to just remind us that hey, moderation is the key
 
There are a lot of contributing factors here. Some of the doses listed in that study were seriously high. Also, high doses of AAS that cause significant rise in RBC raises BP and causes the heart to work harder. Work a muscle harder and what happens? It gets larger. I think if more people who cycled watched their RBC and BP and kept it in the normal range impact on the heart would be minimal.
 
bren565 said:
so is it like being obese?

is too mch weight? no matter where its held the issue?
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Obviously fat is worse, but even if you're 10% bf, the body wasn't designed to carry too much weight. It can lead to hypertension and a strained heart.
 
thatbloke said:
only in HRT doses, in high doses it aint heart healthy, and beign an AAS forum im pretty sure most guys in here are using high doses lol

i do agree the body size and weight of these guys was surely another contributer, but this is just another factor on top of AAS effects on the cardio vascular system
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Everyone here agrees with you but we are saying there are factors than just steroid usage.
 
thatbloke said:
come on man, we both know a quick google search will give you a massive list of people who were AAS users and many died of cardiovascular/heart complications

just coz a few are still kicking doesnt give a valid arguement
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Playing devils advocate, there are also plenty of people who we dont know where AAS users and are still kicking as well as plenty of people who drop dead every year from cardiovascular/heart complications without ever touching AAS or cigarettes so your argument isnt any better.
 
Yeah, because that guy who is 100lbs overweight leaving the White Castle drive-thru while smoking a cigarette does not have heart problems as well, right? We all know steroids can cause heart problems, but the bottom line is, it will hardly happen unless you are using professional bodybuilding type doses. Taking grams upon grams of steroids every week is obviously not good for your heart. That is just plain stupid to do unless you are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. I bet if most of the people on here were not juicing moderately and eating healthy, they would be harming their heart in other ways such as eating fast food and doing whatever else.

I guess all I am saying is: pick your poison.
 
Hmmm..

While I am inclined to agree with Nelson and others who've pointed out the obvious other variables that contribute to an unhealthy heart, I do admit that there is a significant body of evidence that indicates AAS can lead to complications over time..
 
Ross said:
Hmmm..

While I am inclined to agree with Nelson and others who've pointed out the obvious other variables that contribute to an unhealthy heart, I do admit that there is a significant body of evidence that indicates AAS can lead to complications over time..
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Yes...due mostly to those variables -- mainly excessive dosages, non stop usage and the excessive weight that results from it. I'd say overweight people are more suseptible to heart disease than some 200 pound bodybuilder who does a light cycle twice a year. (Not to mention what else some of these guys use that strain the heart such as stims, slin and GH).

And as anyone who is familiar with my work knows, I believe dosages of over a gram a week TOTAL is absurd for non pros. If you can't make progress on 600 mgs a week, you suck anyway. And cycles should not exceed 2 months.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yes...due mostly to those variables -- mainly excessive dosages, non stop usage and the excessive weight that results from it. I'd say overweight people are more suseptible to heart disease than some 200 pound bodybuilder who does a light cycle twice a year. (Not to mention what else some of these guys use that strain the heart such as stims, slin and GH).

And as anyone who is familiar with my work knows, I believe dosages of over a gram a week TOTAL is absurd for non pros. If you can't make progress on 600 mgs a week, you suck anyway. And cycles should not exceed 2 months.
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Who would've thought that after 10 years of reading back and fourth, we are finally on the exact same page! :)
 
I was on tren and winny and eq test all steroids that would really attibute to HBP. Did 1 hr cardio every day and diet was on spot..Anyway I took my BP 3 times a week when was on, Blood pressure was perfect. I hurt my wrist needed surgery, so i coudn't work out, decided to just eat fast food and not do cardio for 2 months prior to my surgery...Went to get surgery they had my in the prep room, they hooked me up to the BP machine my BP was 200?180.They freaked out! and refused to surgery on me until my BP was under control... Not trying to justy steroid use, but I think a lot of reasons people have high BP and heart problems stem from poor diet and lack of cardio....Someone please explain that situation to me.....
 
ledhead said:
I was on tren and winny and eq test all steroids that would really attibute to HBP. Did 1 hr cardio every day and diet was on spot..Anyway I took my BP 3 times a week when was on, Blood pressure was perfect. I hurt my wrist needed surgery, so i coudn't work out, decided to just eat fast food and not do cardio for 2 months prior to my surgery...Went to get surgery they had my in the prep room, they hooked me up to the BP machine my BP was 200?180.They freaked out! and refused to surgery on me until my BP was under control... Not trying to justy steroid use, but I think a lot of reasons people have high BP and heart problems stem from poor diet and lack of cardio....Someone please explain that situation to me.....
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spot on...
 
thatbloke said:
apologies, from hwo i read ur post i thought u were defending AAS were unlikely to be the culprits
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I dont think anyone can deny AAS CAN be bad for your heart but in a society of fast food and stressful living if your smart about it you can minimize the risks.
 
High blood pressure is usually a result of poor cardiovascular condition, excessive bodyfat and a severe deficiency in potassium which is very common because of high sodium content in todays food.
 
Gamer2Be08 said:
It makes sense, but there are so many older guys still alive that were/are juice maniacs.
lee priest- still uses
lou ferrigno- probably still uses
arnold
Radar- lol

of course the heart will be damaged during steroid use. but the amount of damage done will depend on the amount of gear you use, the duration, amount of cycles per year, support supplements, amount of cardio, clean diet, and you natural risk for heart disease.
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Sonny Schmidt died at 46
> Scott Klein died at 30
> Ron Teufel died at 45
> Dan Duchaine died at 48
> Mohammed Benaziza died at 28
> Andreas Munzer died at 30
> Mike Mentzer died at 49
> Ray Mentzer died at 47
> Don Ross died at 55
> Dr. John Tristany died
> Don Peters died
> Ray Raridon died
> Arnold Schwarzenegger (heart problems)
> Don Long (kidney failure)
> Tom Prince (kidney failure)
> Flex Wheeler (kidney transplant)
> Ed Corney (stroke)
> Boyer Coe (heart)
> Danny Padilla (heart)
> Pete Grymkowski (heart)
> Lyle Alzado died at 42
> Curt Hennig died at 44
> Davey Boy Smith died at 39
> Louie "Spicolli" Mucciolo died at 27
> Ravishing Rick Rude died at 40
> Brian Pillman died at 35
> 62 Finnish power-lifters suspected of using steroids died at a rate five times higher than average
 
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