Steroids and making a baby

[waynedejager]

I am in my 5th week on a 8week course of Decca & Sustanon 400mg & 500mg per week, 20mg of dianabol per day for 3 weeks and 50mg of winstol every 3rd day for 8 weeks. My wife and I are trying to conceive a child so it was suggested to me that i take 3 pregnyl during the course to keep up my natural sperm production. 1 pregnyl every 2 weeks and then when finished week 8 to take another 3 pregnyl every 2nd day during week 9. I am looking for professional comments on wether or not this course could affect the baby (drug abnormalities) and if not am i taking the right amount of pregnyl to keep natural testo production at sufficient level to conceive, or should i stop the course completely?? I have no side effects (beside abit of water but im taking nolvadex) and my sperm count before i started was 250mill/mg (doctors said it was very good)
Please advise??

 

[macrophage69alpha]

there is no need to stop but you probably drop the nandrolone and winstrol (they are the most likely to impede fertility).

There is no evidence the drugs you are taking will have any impact on your child.

 

[SwolK]

i dont know, but ill bump to top for you.
also, i dont think winny every 3rd is worth it

 

[Mr.X]

I am in my 5th week on a 8week course of Decca & Sustanon 400mg & 500mg per week, 20mg of dianabol per day for 3 weeks and 50mg of winstol every 3rd day for 8 weeks. My wife and I are trying to conceive a child so it was suggested to me that i take 3 pregnyl during the course to keep up my natural sperm production. 1 pregnyl every 2 weeks and then when finished week 8 to take another 3 pregnyl every 2nd day during week 9. I am looking for professional comments on wether or not this course could affect the baby (drug abnormalities) and if not am i taking the right amount of pregnyl to keep natural testo production at sufficient level to conceive, or should i stop the course completely?? I have no side effects (beside abit of water but im taking nolvadex) and my sperm count before i started was 250mill/mg (doctors said it was very good)
Please advise??

I've had a ton of friends who had kids while on a ton of test , even while on deca. All the kids were normal, and nothing was wrong with them. The only thing I noticed, this is of course a personal observation, was the majority of them had girls - 70/30.

IMO, if you wanted to be sure your sperm count is up. Just stick to straight test and maybe run some HCG and clomid.

 

[25homes]

I know you can conceive while on gear but if you are trying to conceive why not just be off cycle??

 

[TESTDEN]

a very close friend of mine concieved all three of his children whil on cycle and without taking pregnyl. his one boy was a bit underweight when born but other than that they are all healthy. so no i do not think being on cycle will effect your child to be


-TEST-

 

[mikevegas]

Don't know anything about Pregnyl. I can tell you steroids in no way can cause a baby to have problems. The usual problem is conceiving, as use of roids can affect (lower) your sperm count, which can make it like you are shooting blanks.

 

[doogle]

hello m8 im trying to but i had to squeeze some test and winny in for my hols,ive got clomid and hcg dont worry itll happin but it takes time if theres know results after 1 year see a doctor.

 

[immortalis]

We had an EF member just last week post that he and his wife are now expecting. I believe it was Scout69 if I remember correctly.

He's currently on gear also if I remember correctly. You can probably find the thread within the last 4-8 pages

 

[maldorf]

I've had a ton of friends who had kids while on a ton of test , even while on deca. All the kids were normal, and nothing was wrong with them. The only thing I noticed, this is of course a personal observation, was the majority of them had girls - 70/30.

IMO, if you wanted to be sure your sperm count is up. Just stick to straight test and maybe run some HCG and clomid.

I was running: dbol, test, tren, and EQ all at once and got my wife knocked up 2x. The first time she was pregnant within 3 months, the second time she got pregnant like the first time she ovulated. She had been off the pill maybe 1 month. I think the low sperm count thing is way overblown.
I do have to say though that both of my children are girls, kinda fits in with what mr x said. Maybe the y chromosome sperm end up dying off or are bad swimmers!

Oh, and as far as birth defects, there is nothing in any literature or any medical records to substantiate this. You could bet that the media would grab ahold of it if it were happening. These hormones have no impact on the genetic makeup of your sperm.

 

[Shinzon]

I was always under the impression that if you went to the doc and wanted a male contraceptive one of the options was a shot of enanthate like 250mg every 3=4 weeks. I thought it definately would impede sperm production. I have been on test and dropped batches in my girl left and right and she wasn't on the pill and she didn't get pregnant...

 

[Advisor_x]

hey bro, no worries keep you cycle simple got my self a sostenon kid.....(was doing a deca+sos250+dbol) cycle

 

[maldorf]

I was always under the impression that if you went to the doc and wanted a male contraceptive one of the options was a shot of enanthate like 250mg every 3=4 weeks. I thought it definately would impede sperm production. I have been on test and dropped batches in my girl left and right and she wasn't on the pill and she didn't get pregnant...

You got very lucky!! Guess you didnt hit her up while she was ovulating.

 

[boxerjake]

My 7 year old boy was concieved in the middle of a test deca d-bol cycle ....

One of those impulsive horny moments that test brings around ... lol

 

[steelmass]

Im a juice baby! Currently at a top 5 nationally ranked grad school for my degree and 6'1" 242 10%. So I wouldn't say it messed up my physical or mental aspects.

 

[BigCracker]

I've had a ton of friends who had kids while on a ton of test , even while on deca. All the kids were normal, and nothing was wrong with them. The only thing I noticed, this is of course a personal observation, was the majority of them had girls - 70/30.

Yep, mostly female babies with full beards and a giant clit that looks like chewed up wad of Bazooka Bubble Gum. lol

Seriously, almost every guy that got his chick prego while "on" ended up having girls.

 

[Mr.X]

Seriously, almost every guy that got his chick prego while "on" ended up having girls.

It's strange. I've made this observation to AS users who have kids, and a majority of them who were "on" during the process have girls. When they were off after PCT, I noticed they had boys. Of course, I only have a few friends that are off a lot , so those are the only ones I can use as an example. I have one buddy, in particular, who has 5 kids, and he's like clockwork. 4 girls and 1 boy; the girls when he was "on" and the boy when he was "off".

 

[gqstiles]

Great Post! I had this in the back of my mind for a couple years now. Now I can rest easy when my woman tells me she wants 5 kids.

 

[mitto]

There is some research which may back up this pattern of being more likely to concieve one sex over the other whilst on steroids. sex determination comes from the male gamete in terms of either an X or Y chromosome. There does seem to be a link between the dissociation of the XY chromosome bivalent (which will ultimatly determine the proportion of sperm with an X chromosome or Y chromosome), and the efficiency of sperm production (which can be lowered during steroid use).

A possibly relevant abstract from a pubmed journal:

X-Y chromosome dissociation in mouse strains differing in efficiency of spermatogenesis: elevated frequency of univalents in pubertal males.

Krzanowska H.

Department of Genetics and Evolution, Institute of Zoology, Jagiellonian University, Krakow, Poland.

Dissociation of the X-Y chromosome bivalent in diakinesis-metaphase I spermatocytes of adult mice was significantly more frequent in the CBA strain (29%) than in C57, KP, or KE strains (7-11%). Autosome dissociation (1-5%) involved only the smallest chromosome pairs. Elevated frequency of X-Y dissociation in the CBA strain correlates with SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER TESTES WEIGHT AND LOWER YEILD OF SPERMATOGENESIS, which suggests that sex bivalent dissociation may be responsible for some loss of spermatogenic cells. However, sperm quality is not affected, the percentage of normal spermatozoa and their fertilizing capacity being higher in CBA than in the remaining strains. Two congenic strains, KE and KE.CBA (the latter with the Y chromosome introduced from CBA), had the same level of X-Y dissociation, suggesting that the Y chromosome plays no role in the determination of this character. In comparison with adult males, pubertal (27-29 day-old) males had twice as high a frequency of X-Y dissociation in KE and KP strains, and combined frequencies of dissociated sex and autosome bivalents were significantly higher in pubertal males of all tested strains. Although the level of chromosome dissociation is not sufficient to explain increased mortality of germ cells observed in pubertal males, it could be one of the contributing factors.

PMID: 2777172 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Although this wasnt a directly relevant study it does seem to show a relationship between the efficiency of sperm production (spermatogenesis) and the dissociation of the XY choromosome bivalent.

 

[immortalis]

Yep, mostly female babies with full beards and a giant clit that looks like chewed up wad of Bazooka Bubble Gum. lol

Seriously, almost every guy that got his chick prego while "on" ended up having girls.

Damn BC... I was eatting when I read that. Damn near made me throw up! lol

 

[doogle]

to bad im wanting a boy ive got a girl i wanted 1 ov each,well aslong as the baby is healthy,

 

[gautho]

I had trouble knocking the wife up at first after much gear use, when I began using GH I knocked her up in no time. Maybe coincidence, just saying.......

 

[MichaelMacGyver]

I had a boy born 3 months ago, concieved while on Test, deca and Dbol. Full term, one day before his due date. 7lb 6 ozs. He's already up to 12lbs 4 oz ! Eats every 3 hours ! no heavy weight training for him yet though. Actually hoping for a left handed relief pitcher instead of a body builder ! ha. Healthy as can be.

 

[digimon7068]

I was running: dbol, test, tren, and EQ all at once and got my wife knocked up 2x. The first time she was pregnant within 3 months, the second time she got pregnant like the first time she ovulated. She had been off the pill maybe 1 month. I think the low sperm count thing is way overblown.
I do have to say though that both of my children are girls, kinda fits in with what mr x said. Maybe the y chromosome sperm end up dying off or are bad swimmers!

Oh, and as far as birth defects, there is nothing in any literature or any medical records to substantiate this. You could bet that the media would grab ahold of it if it were happening. These hormones have no impact on the genetic makeup of your sperm.

I got a boy. Had twin girls the first time, though. All healthy and all beautiful (like their mom).

 

[DannoMight]

I got a boy and got my lady prego while on.

 

[deezknuckles]

Assuming proper PCT, how long do you guys think it would take for waynedejager's natural Test levels return to within 10-15% of baseline? After his cycle of 8 week Deca & Sust 400mg & 500mg per week, 20mg of dianabol per day for 3 weeks and 50mg of winstol every 3rd day for 8 weeks.

I ask this because I am more concerned with being able to conceive while off cycle.