Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I thought I should create some controversy. I personally think steroid users, with the exception of athletes, are just merely insecure about themselves therefor they take steroids to create an amazing body just to boost their self esteem. What's the point of taking steroids if you're not an athlete? Are taking steroids worth the money and side effects? Are you that insecure about yourself that you need to take steroids?
Steroid Users are INSECURE about themselves
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vinylgroover
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I can feel another 300 post argument coming
vinylgroover
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Well you won't get it from me, 'cause i'm natural
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bignate73
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people workout for many reasons. just because this sport is cosmetic by nature doesnt mean its players arent athletes. why do you think bodybuilders train? for health? to beat personal records? to be the best they can be? and now these other "athletes" you speak of? hmmm...probably similar reasons.
nice to have controversy as long as the intent itself isnt meant to be inflammatory. a good solid group of points on both sides makes a debate interesting. this thread isnt meant to be that way.
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disregard this post
unless the original poster truly doesnt understand the sport of bodybuilding, advancement of personal performance, etc.
nice to have controversy as long as the intent itself isnt meant to be inflammatory. a good solid group of points on both sides makes a debate interesting. this thread isnt meant to be that way.
***suggestion to other members***
disregard this post
unless the original poster truly doesnt understand the sport of bodybuilding, advancement of personal performance, etc.
bignate73
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of course you could have started a poll.
"are the risks worth it to you?"
or something like that. the pervading question being "Are you that insecure about yourself that you need to take steroids?" everyone has insecurities, which is what drives people. careers, sports, relationships, all are influenced by insecurities.
is that athlete who plays football to impress his father or follow in his football the same? yet he takes steroids. so his reason is no different but by "athletic" standards...its more acceptable? because its a performance sport. right?
i feel all you will get on this thread are a bunch of "post your stats!" "screw you"'s etc. is that the type of controversy you wanted?
"are the risks worth it to you?"
or something like that. the pervading question being "Are you that insecure about yourself that you need to take steroids?" everyone has insecurities, which is what drives people. careers, sports, relationships, all are influenced by insecurities.
is that athlete who plays football to impress his father or follow in his football the same? yet he takes steroids. so his reason is no different but by "athletic" standards...its more acceptable? because its a performance sport. right?
i feel all you will get on this thread are a bunch of "post your stats!" "screw you"'s etc. is that the type of controversy you wanted?
I wasn't talking about professional bodybuilders or anything like that. I'm talking about the normal every day folk. Students, people that work office jobs, etc., the people who don't lift/train or what have you for competitions.
This topic irritates me because I'm a student who's surrounded by a bunch of roid heads who rather see their biceps grow an inch rather than doing something meaningful with their lives. I can understand lifting for health benefits, but if the only thing on your mind is about "getting big" then that is too much for me.
I was trying to create this controversy just to get other peoples point of view because I can't understand for myself why people do steroids.
This topic irritates me because I'm a student who's surrounded by a bunch of roid heads who rather see their biceps grow an inch rather than doing something meaningful with their lives. I can understand lifting for health benefits, but if the only thing on your mind is about "getting big" then that is too much for me.
I was trying to create this controversy just to get other peoples point of view because I can't understand for myself why people do steroids.
louden_swain
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Indeed, a very controversial issue, but that is up to the individual.
vinylgroover
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I have never used steroids, never been tempted. Personally, i train because i love lifting weights. To me, the journey is much more important than the destination. I am not the biggest guy around, but i am lucky that i have great shape and proportions and therefore, i appear much gigger than i actually am, hence, i have never needed to contemplate steroids.
I also cannot see the reasoning behind taking steroids if one is not interested in competing, but, having said that, we are all motivated by different things. If someone takes steroids beacuse they want to look more impressive than the next guy and that's what motivates that person, then so be it.
The only thing that i find a shame is that the whole sport or pursuit of what we call 'bodybuilding' is stereotyped by it's heavy association with steroids. But again, it's all about motivation and why we choose to take a particular path. My motivation to train and the enjoyment i receive out of it comes from within, and i'm sure that many of those on these boards whether they use AS or not are similarly motivated from within and are not simply motivated to be 'better than the next guy' so to speak.
I also cannot see the reasoning behind taking steroids if one is not interested in competing, but, having said that, we are all motivated by different things. If someone takes steroids beacuse they want to look more impressive than the next guy and that's what motivates that person, then so be it.
The only thing that i find a shame is that the whole sport or pursuit of what we call 'bodybuilding' is stereotyped by it's heavy association with steroids. But again, it's all about motivation and why we choose to take a particular path. My motivation to train and the enjoyment i receive out of it comes from within, and i'm sure that many of those on these boards whether they use AS or not are similarly motivated from within and are not simply motivated to be 'better than the next guy' so to speak.
Snatch518 said:
This is the first thing wrong with your post...
Glad that you could state your opinion. I am glad that you said that you "think" this way instead of saying that it is this way.
This is the only thing worth paying attention to in your post...two honest questions. I would say that people use AAS because it is a personal issue between themself. They want to better themself...for what reason I am not completely sure...but is is their choice. Let them do what they wish...it should not bother you or I. Side effects seem to be mostly temporary. There is not proof of anyone dying from AAS use or abuse.
If you plan to come on here to start "controversy" then you are not welcome here. If you wish to state harsh opinions directed towards any member on this board...you are not welcome here. If you wish to ask a serious question or state honest advice to help another board member...then please stay...otherwise rethink why you are here.
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louden_swain
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I am sure this thread will be locked shortly. This is about training not controversy.
Snatch518 said:
See the post above I made about posting harsh opinions directed towards any member on this board...
B True
Well put b fold
I chose to use steroids because after 10 years of natural training, I had taken my body as far as I could possibly go, and it still was no where near the goals I had set for myself. When I started them, i had no intention of competing, now I do, but my desire to take my body as far as it will go is unaffected by that decision.
It's not steroid users that are insecure, it's the guys that make those uneducated, blanket statements about others, that are the insecure ones. You automatically assume that those you go to school with that are taking them are more concerned with making their biceps grow than doing something meaningfull with their lives, that comment is a sure sign of ignorance. i graduated top of my class in college with a 97% average over 3 years, and now work in a treatment centre with the most difficult kids in the country, but yet I am a steroid user....
can you please fill me in with what meaningfull thing I should be doing instead???????
I chose to use steroids because after 10 years of natural training, I had taken my body as far as I could possibly go, and it still was no where near the goals I had set for myself. When I started them, i had no intention of competing, now I do, but my desire to take my body as far as it will go is unaffected by that decision.
It's not steroid users that are insecure, it's the guys that make those uneducated, blanket statements about others, that are the insecure ones. You automatically assume that those you go to school with that are taking them are more concerned with making their biceps grow than doing something meaningfull with their lives, that comment is a sure sign of ignorance. i graduated top of my class in college with a 97% average over 3 years, and now work in a treatment centre with the most difficult kids in the country, but yet I am a steroid user....
can you please fill me in with what meaningfull thing I should be doing instead???????
louden_swain
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He seems to be more concerned about others than himself. As Needsize mentioned, those who bash steroid users are typically uneducated about steroids.
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John Holmes
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How about this:
People who start working out, and take steroids within the first year fit are the people you are talking about.
People that wait 10 years simply can not accept their limitiations.
Athletes that juice are losers. cheaters.
Probably not a popular opinion, but I've been just as tempted as any other natural guy, but I chose to avoid steroids. A personal choice, yes, but I feel the right one.
Is vanity worth your health?
Ask the Mentzer's, Arnold, Davey Boy Smith, Brett Hart, Lyle Alzado....
The only guy that is still alive is presently eating through a straw.
People who start working out, and take steroids within the first year fit are the people you are talking about.
People that wait 10 years simply can not accept their limitiations.
Athletes that juice are losers. cheaters.
Probably not a popular opinion, but I've been just as tempted as any other natural guy, but I chose to avoid steroids. A personal choice, yes, but I feel the right one.
Is vanity worth your health?
Ask the Mentzer's, Arnold, Davey Boy Smith, Brett Hart, Lyle Alzado....
The only guy that is still alive is presently eating through a straw.
John Holmes
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And, lifting weights is not only about image. Read "The Iron" by Henry Rollins. You can find it on the board somewhere.
It's a good read.
It's a good read.
John Holmes
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What is the over/under on this guy
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John Holmes said:
I agree that it is probably wrong in that situation...
What are you trying to say?
It is great to have an opinion. A statement like this one is screaming for a flame...a big one. Sentences like this are much better put if they are began with..."I feel that...".
I feel that you have made the correct decision, very much so. Please do not put down the decision made by others...I don't either.
I do not believe that vanity is worth my health. I don't know much about Mentzer, Smith, or Hart's problems...but I do know that Alzado's problems were basically just something SAID so that he would not take the heat for something else...
The Mentzer's are dead? Brett Hart is dead also? Did I miss something?
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Taking steroids is a personal choice, and as long as it doesn't affect anyone else I don't see what the problem is. I agree that people who turn to steroids without even trying to train naturally for at least a few years (absolute minimum) will never achieve much even with steroid use. When I started to train serious and first touched on the steroid subject I was 17 and wanted to get on them straight away, I'm glad I haven't yet....and the longer I train naturally and more research I do I know I have made the right decision. I'm pretty sure I will at some stage use anabolic steroids, maybe as soon as within a year, I'm 19 now. If I had steroids placed right in front of my face and said here you go, take them...I would be tempted but still want to train naturally for a few more years, but its hard trying not to give into temptation. In the end it comes down to personal choice...and no one has the right to look down on a "user."
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Snatch518 said:
I've never ever heard in my life someone taking stuff and not working out. Other than medical reasons.
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Snatch518 said:
Many of us on this site are athletes. Perhaps it is you who are sufferering from a lack of self esteem.
Use, don't use, compete, stay in the gym. I don' t care. Just get the Hell out of my way during rush hour, and I could care less what anyone else does.
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Pineapple Devil said:
I've known a few. Mostly it was the guys that smoked pot and used other drugs. They thought that they'd magically gain muscles and didn't know anything about training or cycling properly. It really does happen.
That isn't what the original post said, though. He said people that "aren't training for competitions." He's talking about the average guy that isn't competing but wants to look better by taking a shortcut. That type of person exists as well...I did a cycle with only 6 months of lifting behind me. It wasn't smart, even though I was educated and cycled properly.
The real question is where do you draw the line? Are ECA's drugs? How about protein powders, andro, and all of the legal supplements out there? There's a pretty fine line between taking an ECA and using DNP. They both help you to lose weight by messing with your metabolism.
I don't see a problem using steroids. I also don't see how others using steroids is any of your business. Honestly, I don't give a shit if the guy who trained a day plugs some dbol cause he isnt seeing the results he wants, cause it doesn't have the slightest effect on my life.
Congratulations, you've just called just about every single olympic athlete a loser.
Juice these days is only really dangerous when abused, and the only people who abuse it (IMO) are (some) professional athletes and bodybuilders.
I think that those of us who make these types of generalizations are those who are very uneducated.
Congratulations, you've just called just about every single olympic athlete a loser.
Juice these days is only really dangerous when abused, and the only people who abuse it (IMO) are (some) professional athletes and bodybuilders.
I think that those of us who make these types of generalizations are those who are very uneducated.
nikkita
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I think that AS should be taken away from uninformed people such as this guy...
http://209.11.101.247/ubb/Forum1/07-2000/023259.html
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John Holmes said:
Yes, that's right. I've seen my friends start lifting for 6 months and then they turn right to steroids as an easy way out to get big quicker. That has what has gotten me so irritated.
Then there are the asshole meatheads that look down on everyone that can't bench 300+ which irritate me too. They should take the stick out of their ass and realize they aren't gods gift to steroids.
Pineapple Devil said:
I didn't mean that way. I mean I wasn't talking about the people who are profressional bodybuilders who only train and don't have the "normal every day people" kind of jobs. I was talking about people who don't compete and just do steroids just to better their physique.
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Deciever said:one time the doctor gave me steroids cause i was sick as hell...
(they werent muscle building ones though)
but snatch, everyone is entitled to their own choice. If you disagree or agree no need to purposely try to start a controversial thread.
I did this to see other peoples point of view, not exactly trying to piss people off. Maybe gain a little education from the experts here.
Snatch518: I think that most people here agree with your thoughts...the 6 month trainees who don't know what they are doing...
Your initial post was very unclear...thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Your initial post was very unclear...thanks for clearing it up for me.
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Thaibox
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"Steroid Users are INSECURE about themselves"
Ah, another well qualified statement to begin a good, productive thread.
What happened to this "agressive" moderation that was suppose to be implemented here?
Hardcore bodybuilders are inherently overachievers. After many years of dedicated training and personal sacrifices, hitting a genetic wall is simply unacceptable. I(as have many others here) have sacrificed much for the attainment of my physical goals. I hit a wall for almost a year before I started juicing(intelligently and well informed/prepared). After busting my ass and dedicating so much time and effort into my body and its performance, if you have the nuts to tell me that I am insecure, then I feel compelled to tell you to fuck off. This argument is played and getting annoying.
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Ah, another well qualified statement to begin a good, productive thread.
What happened to this "agressive" moderation that was suppose to be implemented here?
Hardcore bodybuilders are inherently overachievers. After many years of dedicated training and personal sacrifices, hitting a genetic wall is simply unacceptable. I(as have many others here) have sacrificed much for the attainment of my physical goals. I hit a wall for almost a year before I started juicing(intelligently and well informed/prepared). After busting my ass and dedicating so much time and effort into my body and its performance, if you have the nuts to tell me that I am insecure, then I feel compelled to tell you to fuck off. This argument is played and getting annoying.
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