If insulin talk is against the rules it should probably be added to the OP, otherwise people will read the OP, not the 2nd or 3rd page of the thread and then start talking about it without knowing it is against the rules. Just a suggestion. Also I tend to agree on the DNP and insulin talk... pro bodybuilders are not coming here for their information... and both those drugs really do not have a place for the casual gear user and both with one overdose can kill you dead.