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Marine30b
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No I do not have any gear at this time. Which worries me about how long I have to get this under control. I can hopefully get my hands on some gear within a month. But again I do not know if that is good enough and also what to use. I appreciate your two recommend anti's. I am ignorant to them and what dosage to run and for how long. Thank you again for your advice brother!
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Marine30b
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Is Nolvedex the way to go? And if so what dose and how often?
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I would recommend Raloxifene. 120mgs/day week1, 60mgs/day every week thereafter. If you have nolvadex you can use it as well. It is almost as effective as Raloxifene. Take the Nolva 40mg/day week 1, 20mg/day every week thereafter.
Expect to take for months. This takes time. Most gyno studies run 6 months. It will take 2 months to start to see significant changes. Thats just the way it is if you want to treat gyno properly.
Do NOT use an AI like letrozole to try to treat your gyno. It is unhealthy, uncomfortable, and not as effective as raloxifene or tamoxifen. Letrozole will totally crush your e2 levels sytemically. This is very unhealthy and very unpleasant. You feeel like shit, you have no energy, no sex drive, you will have ED, its a nightmare.
On the other hand the serms will simply block the e2 from acting on the estrogen receptor in breast tissue- right where you want too. It literally starves the cells of estrogen and they die.
If you are lucky you will successfully reverse your gyno. If you do not using raloxifene following the above protocol sadly your only option is surgery. If ralox wont kill it it will have to be cut out.
Expect to take for months. This takes time. Most gyno studies run 6 months. It will take 2 months to start to see significant changes. Thats just the way it is if you want to treat gyno properly.
Do NOT use an AI like letrozole to try to treat your gyno. It is unhealthy, uncomfortable, and not as effective as raloxifene or tamoxifen. Letrozole will totally crush your e2 levels sytemically. This is very unhealthy and very unpleasant. You feeel like shit, you have no energy, no sex drive, you will have ED, its a nightmare.
On the other hand the serms will simply block the e2 from acting on the estrogen receptor in breast tissue- right where you want too. It literally starves the cells of estrogen and they die.
If you are lucky you will successfully reverse your gyno. If you do not using raloxifene following the above protocol sadly your only option is surgery. If ralox wont kill it it will have to be cut out.
Marine30b
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Thank you very much for the extensive information. It sounds like you have most certainly done your research and know exactly what you are speaking of. Which sadly I should have done to begin with. I will most definitely follow this regiment. My gyno is bad to me knowing my body, but I do not think it is severe enough for surgery. At least I hope not!
Again thank you for the information.
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No problem. Best of luck man. Keep us posted on how your reversal protocol goes.
you need to get your hands on some letro and nolva for starts.Get some asap
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ALIN
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I would get some blood work ASAP and then treat it from there.
blood work is always best, this is true.But if you got gyno, letro and nolva is what is used to treat it
Marine30b
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Hey brother is there anyway to get in touch with you privately on here?..I have a couple questions I would like to ask and don't want to necessarily ask them publicly. Besides I don't think I am supposed to.
Thanks man!
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Marine30b
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First of all thanks for the great information, it has really opened my eyes to the amount of research involved. The only thing I can get my hands on is through our sponsor and that is the great deal on letrozole 30 ml 2.5ml( liquid). Would that be sufficient to start and if so how much and for how long?.again thanks for the support!
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From my earlier post: Do NOT use an AI like letrozole to try to treat your gyno. It is unhealthy, uncomfortable, and not as effective as raloxifene or tamoxifen. Letrozole will totally crush your e2 levels sytemically. This is very unhealthy and very unpleasant. You feeel like shit, you have no energy, no sex drive, you will have ED, its a nightmare.
On the other hand the serms will simply block the e2 from acting on the estrogen receptor in breast tissue- right where you want too. It literally starves the cells of estrogen and they die.
Raloxifene - SERMs - Ancillaries
Dude he is saying that ALL HE CAN GET is Letrozole. He's not asking what else can he use or what are the side effects of using letro or how uncomfortable it will be. He is stating the only thing he can get is Letro. Well, letro can work. Yes it might not be the ideal option but if he Wants the gyno to go away then he doesn't really have many options.
DUDE- He is talking about buying the letro from the same place he can just as easily buy the ralox.
DUDE - He has pmed me t least 2x and we are/ have been discussing his situation right now
DUDE- dont fucking call me dude and act like I dont understand or need a translator to understand what he is saying or trying to accomplish.
Thanks
suveer14
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I got gyno before and I tried everything. The only thing that got rid of it was letro. I tapered up and then back down. I threw in kessar in the end to counter estrogen rebound. I also have severe tendon problems and although letro made them more painful for the course, I was fine. Also u need2 be on test if taking letro cause it will shut Ur sex drive down. Kessar/Nolvadex also has some serious side effects when you use it for lengthy periods. Some people have gone blind from it or damaged their vision badly. Also liver cancer. Anyway that's my 2c. We all know the risks of taking gear and remember what works for you won't always work for another.
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You surely didn't try raloxifene. Not only does it not have vision issues very rarely associated with tamoxifen (which BTW can be offset by taking a simple anti oxidant*) it is clinically proven to be the most effective gyno treatment available. Using letro & crashing e2 systemically is unhealthy, uncomfortable, and unnecessary. Also taking test will do nothing for your sex drive when taking letro as the sex drive issues are a result of crashed e2, which will occur regardless of whether you take test or not. Your whole tamoxifen rant sounds like the BS NTBM nonsense scare tactics they used to use to get people to buy their supplements instead of using tamoxifen. The fact is even though raloxifene is the best gyno choice tamoxifen is a close second and it has a very good overall safety profile.
*Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2004 Jul;229(7):607-15.
*Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2004 Jul;229(7):607-15.
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suveer14
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I was happy with Letro. Worked for me and I didn't have any sex drive issues at 2.5mg a day. If they have ralox in my country I will certainly try it. You seem to be a very agitated individual as well. I'm not ranting and I think every1 joins these groups to learn, share and help others. I can say bodybuilding humbled me. Anyway hope this dude gets sorted. All the best
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I simply do not want to see the OP steered down the wrong path and letro is the wrong path. Thats all. Id hate for him to use something that is proven less effective and is unhealthy and unpleasant when he has a better alternative that is more effective, safer, and just as easily available.
We do agree that we both hope he gets things straightened out and its nice to see your first posts here were in this very thread supporting the use of letro. I found that very interesting. Hopefully you share in other areas of the forum in the future and dont just chime in here for whatever reason or motive then disappear.
Not to hijack the op thread but I'm on week 3 of my current 15 week cycle. Started from day one taking 1mg of Adex eod started noticing Gyno so started 1mg everyday still nothing. So I moved over to letro and started taking .5mg everyday for 3 days and I can already tell a difference.
Now with that being said I also have Nolva on hand should I be running this durning my cycle as well? I have 13 weeks left of cycle. If Nolva is the better choice how much should I run and for how long?
Now with that being said I also have Nolva on hand should I be running this durning my cycle as well? I have 13 weeks left of cycle. If Nolva is the better choice how much should I run and for how long?
- Reduced levels of IGF
- Decrease in bone mineral density
- Enlarged Prostate
- Increased Risk of prostate cancer
- Lowered immune system function
- Sore joints
- Dramatically reduced sex drive
- Erectile Dysfunction
- Sexual Dysfunction
- Increased Risk oF Coronary Artery Disease
- Increased Risk of Heart Disease
- Reduction in Metal Accuity
- Lethargy
- Depression
- Anxiety
The above are all dangers and risks of low estrogen in males. Why in gods name would you put yourself in the position to incur any or them much less all of them by taking letrozole to treat gyno when you could avoid every single one of them by taking something that is clinically proven to be more effective at treating gyno anyway; Raloxifene. Time to start to use your head people.
- Decrease in bone mineral density
- Enlarged Prostate
- Increased Risk of prostate cancer
- Lowered immune system function
- Sore joints
- Dramatically reduced sex drive
- Erectile Dysfunction
- Sexual Dysfunction
- Increased Risk oF Coronary Artery Disease
- Increased Risk of Heart Disease
- Reduction in Metal Accuity
- Lethargy
- Depression
- Anxiety
The above are all dangers and risks of low estrogen in males. Why in gods name would you put yourself in the position to incur any or them much less all of them by taking letrozole to treat gyno when you could avoid every single one of them by taking something that is clinically proven to be more effective at treating gyno anyway; Raloxifene. Time to start to use your head people.
j_p
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^^^^ Good points. I know myself I always try to open peoples eyes to this asinine approach to using letro for gyno... its such a flawed concept I don't get how soomany fall into it....
use a damn SERM! and use an AI ON CYCLE and avoid the whole issue in most cases.
suveer14
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Coughing blood
headache or migraine
loss of or change in speech, coordination, or vision
pain or numbness in chest, arm, or leg
shortness of breath (unexplained)
Bloody or cloudy urine
chest pain
difficult, burning, or painful urination
fever
frequent urge to urinate
infection, including body aches or pain, congestion in throat, cough, dryness or soreness of throat, runny nose, and loss of voice
leg cramping
skin rash
swelling of hands, ankles, or feet
vaginal itching
Abdominal pain (severe)
aching body pains
congestion in lungs
decreased vision or other changes in vision
diarrhea
difficulty in breathing
hoarseness
loss of appetite
nausea
trouble in swallowing
weakness
Hot flashes, including sudden sweating and feelings of warmth increased white vaginal discharge
joint or muscle pain
mental depression
problems of stomach or intestines, including passing of gas, upset stomach, or vomiting
swollen joints
trouble in sleeping
weight gain (unexplained)
Raloxifene side effects.
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headache or migraine
loss of or change in speech, coordination, or vision
pain or numbness in chest, arm, or leg
shortness of breath (unexplained)
Bloody or cloudy urine
chest pain
difficult, burning, or painful urination
fever
frequent urge to urinate
infection, including body aches or pain, congestion in throat, cough, dryness or soreness of throat, runny nose, and loss of voice
leg cramping
skin rash
swelling of hands, ankles, or feet
vaginal itching
Abdominal pain (severe)
aching body pains
congestion in lungs
decreased vision or other changes in vision
diarrhea
difficulty in breathing
hoarseness
loss of appetite
nausea
trouble in swallowing
weakness
Hot flashes, including sudden sweating and feelings of warmth increased white vaginal discharge
joint or muscle pain
mental depression
problems of stomach or intestines, including passing of gas, upset stomach, or vomiting
swollen joints
trouble in sleeping
weight gain (unexplained)
Raloxifene side effects.
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^^^ I am in the middle of observing a new danger of using letro to treat gyno...a dramatic loss of brain cells which results in a ridiculous posts such as the one above me. However I will muse. The difference in the 2 lists is this. The letro list is direct effects that do and will occur, the raloxifene list are side effects that may or may not be observed in a small % of people who take it. Sadly due to your brain cell condition (a lack of) you may not be able to grasp the difference but those who do not have their head up their ass probably will be able to tell- and thats whats important.
suveer14
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The only danger here is a little boy sitting on google. Thinking he knows it all. Just like the karate kid who waxed on and then off but in Ur case it's "copy on" and "paste off". I talk from personal experiences and what has worked for me. Kessar or arimidex did not help a bit but Letro cleared me right up. Those are not direct effects that will occur. I can say so because I am fine and I know a IFBB Pro who has used it for years and he is also fine. Think I should also mention he had a kid recently. You need to stop acting like a doctor and respect other people's comments! Like I said before there are big risks in taking roids and what works for sum1 else wont always work for you.
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I dont respect shitty advice.
20+ years in the game, living the lifestyle.
On staff at several of the biggest forums on the net.
Write articles for numerous forums across the net.
Its not google, its true knowledge plus personal experience.
Just because some thing worked for you doesnt mean it is good advice or the best option. You need to stop saying things like you tried everything and letro worked when obviously you DIDN'T try everything. In fact you didn't try the best, safest and most prudent thing in this case, which is Raloxifene.
Oh and btw I havent just read about raloxifene, I have used it.
j_p
Newbie
a long time ago they also used just a SERM ON cycle to avoid gyno but leaving super high estrogen to stay floating around (which has consequences) .... doesnt mean its best way and just because you avoid or shrink gyno doesnt mean your doing it right either. we know better now...
actually address the issue and not band aid it up on cycle, and SERM for shrinking gyno leaving your healthy amounts untouched when off cycle... THAT is how its done optimally..
so what if you know guys that use AI for gyno, doesnt mean they know what they are doing to the full extent...
and no you didnt try everything, you used other AI's and ended up using letro to crash your estrogen which is very bad for you...
