Starting an OSTA and GW 50156 Stack

[JoeHallenbeck]

Hi,

I am planning on starting an OSTA MAX mk-2866 25mg and GW 50156 10mg stack very soon.

I plan on doing this for 28 days.

I plan on dosing 25mg/10mg (one pill each) each day.

- Would anyone recommend taking something else along with this?
- Taking anything else immediately following?

I read a couple other examples of guys who said they took the OSTA in the AM and the GW in the pm...
- Does that matter, and why? (I'm an evening/night workout person...always)...or is this a situation where I need to take either one as a pre workout?

I haven't read about many side effects, except for some vision issues, slight acne, and gyno for those who dose too high or for too long...anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance. Your comments are appreciated!

 

[dylangemelli]

Hi,

I am planning on starting an OSTA MAX mk-2866 25mg and GW 50156 10mg stack very soon.

I plan on doing this for 28 days.

I plan on dosing 25mg/10mg (one pill each) each day.

- Would anyone recommend taking something else along with this?
- Taking anything else immediately following?

I read a couple other examples of guys who said they took the OSTA in the AM and the GW in the pm...
- Does that matter, and why? (I'm an evening/night workout person...always)...or is this a situation where I need to take either one as a pre workout?

I haven't read about many side effects, except for some vision issues, slight acne, and gyno for those who dose too high or for too long...anything else I should be aware of?

Thanks in advance. Your comments are appreciated!

Hey bro... we need to fix a lot of this... You have not done the proper reading or at least not enough...

running this for even less than 4 weeks is a complete waste... Its like stopping half way... You need to run it a MINIMUM of 6 weeks but 8 weeks is optimal... MK and GW can actually be ran and be very effective for up to 12 weeks but 8 weeks is extremely effective...

I have spent a lot of time putting together articles and videos to educate everyone on sarms use... Here is a link to all the articles... Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

this is the thread with all the video links... http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...10516-video-series-dylan-gemelli-1261563.html

You are going to need supports with this stack... I am going to lay out an 8 week cycle with the proper supports and mini pct... i have a support stack that i created at n2bm.com and it will cover you the entire 8 week cycle and 3 week mini pct... i am putting the link at the bottom for you to check out as well...

as far as dosing... osta should be dosed once a day in the a.m... i like to split my gw dose twelve hours apart but it can also be dosed once a day as well...

you have the side effects confused as s4 is the only sarm that can cause vision problems...

here is the stack

1-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 D-spark n2bm.com
Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com


http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Test-boosting-PCT/Support-Stack-p286.html

 

[liffalot]

Yep good advice there from Dylan as always. I cant agree more - with SARMs in general you need to go 8 weeks; there is no reason not to go 8 weeks and that's where youll see the best results. Like he said split your GW doses into 2 - even though its got a long half life, you don't want it dissipating to almost nothing before your next dose, so 2 is optimal. One dose ED is fine for OSTA.

You wont get vision sides, or gyno, or any sides really from this cycle save for maybe some mild palpatations from the GW. People who get gyno from OSTA are either running it WAY too high or WAY too long. Other than that its a great stack, enjoy it!

If you don't have your stuff on hand yet, I cannot recommend Sarmssearch enough - nobody else compares on the market. Look around, youll see the same!

 

[nickb86]

Go 8 weeks for sure good bro

 

[JoeHallenbeck]

Dylan,

Thanks so much for the advice. I'll give all that stuff a thorough look.
I wanted to clarify something...

I understand the instructions on taking the Osta, the GW, the HCGenerate, and the d-spark...take all for weeks 1-8...got it...
But the mini pct for weeks 9-12, the link just goes to a page with a wide selection of supps...which one specifically were you trying to recommend for the weeks 9-12 pct?

Also, are there any specific dietary concerns I should know about. Like, a certain food or drink that will just interact so badly with this stack that it will be noticeable?

Thanks so much for your advice.

 

[dylangemelli]

Dylan,

Thanks so much for the advice. I'll give all that stuff a thorough look.
I wanted to clarify something...

I understand the instructions on taking the Osta, the GW, the HCGenerate, and the d-spark...take all for weeks 1-8...got it...
But the mini pct for weeks 9-12, the link just goes to a page with a wide selection of supps...which one specifically were you trying to recommend for the weeks 9-12 pct?

Also, are there any specific dietary concerns I should know about. Like, a certain food or drink that will just interact so badly with this stack that it will be noticeable?

Thanks so much for your advice.

Hey bro... the link i sent you is the COMPLETE support pack... that covers you with hcgenerate and dspark on cycle and then all you need for the mini pct is hcgenerate ES... it has you covered for the entire cycle bro... i would definitely take advantage of this while the weekend sale is going on! use coupon code big18 for 18% off...

 

[JoeHallenbeck]

If you could go along with the premise, for a moment, that $299 is not possible.

If only $100 more were possible, what would you add to the OSTA and GW? How would you make that work?

Run a shorter cycle? Cut out certain supps? What would you do?

 

[dylangemelli]

If you could go along with the premise, for a moment, that $299 is not possible.

If only $100 more were possible, what would you add to the OSTA and GW? How would you make that work?

Run a shorter cycle? Cut out certain supps? What would you do?

i would wait until i can run the proper cycle... you need supports and a mini pct... if money is an issue then you should wait to be jumping into this lifestyle until it is not... There is a sale this weekend that will knock it down to under 250... That's 11 weeks worth of supports AND PCT... You have to run these things to recover and protect yourself bro...

 

[JoeHallenbeck]

I understand what you're saying, believe me.

My point is, is that there are other posts in other threads where you've recommended any variety of supps. I've seen 'forged' recommended as a pct, which is 1/3 the price of the ES. I've seen people say doubling up the ED isn't necessary (on cycle). Not to mention, the article that you link to mentions 4 weeks being an effective cycle (which was actually the first thing I read about OSTA, remembering back).

It's not about wanting/not wanting the "lifestyle."

I came onto the lot, you showed me the Cadillac.
That's fine.
It's the best car on the lot, and I can see that you're knowledgeable about it, and enthusiastic.
Now, do you have any Chevys you can show me?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

No,

There is no chevy. There is no caddy. There is Dylan's Ferrari he just laid out for you or you can drive the ferrari with old fas, no seatbelt, and a few lugs missing. The cost of your cycle, laid out properly is super cheap and bot that complicated.

Best regards,

Fizz

 

[dylangemelli]

I understand what you're saying, believe me.

My point is, is that there are other posts in other threads where you've recommended any variety of supps. I've seen 'forged' recommended as a pct, which is 1/3 the price of the ES. I've seen people say doubling up the ED isn't necessary (on cycle). Not to mention, the article that you link to mentions 4 weeks being an effective cycle (which was actually the first thing I read about OSTA, remembering back).

It's not about wanting/not wanting the "lifestyle."

I came onto the lot, you showed me the Cadillac.
That's fine.
It's the best car on the lot, and I can see that you're knowledgeable about it, and enthusiastic.
Now, do you have any Chevys you can show me?

I never once recommended running forged ALONE in pct... that was a PART of it... I also never recommend running a 4 week only cycle on sarms... I NEVER recommend that because its a half of a cycle... You could probably get by without the dspark but i definitely would run hcgenerate on cycle... as far s your mini pct, running hcgenerate es is as simple and cost effective as you can get... you could run the unleashed/post cycle combo with forged but you will end up paying more... if you buy es on sale at ntbm this weekend you can save nearly 20%... when it comes to cycling, there are no chevy's bro... i may have recommended things in the past, but then new things come out and better, safer and more efficient ways present themselves and so that is what i recommend... the bare minimum i would do would be to just run hcgenerate on cycle and then run ES for your pct... use the code big18 and you will save quite a bit... there is an hcgenerate two pack you can get that is discounted already and that will get you through 8 weeks... you could run hcgenerate for only 4 of the 8 weeks but your just making your recovery harder and a longer... I'm trying to make it as easy, safe and as good of an experience as I can for you... When you start cutting corners in this game, it never ends up at your advantage... Doing things thoroughly ensure you the best in every aspect...

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I never once recommended running forged ALONE in pct... that was a PART of it... I also never recommend running a 4 week only cycle on sarms... I NEVER recommend that because its a half of a cycle... You could probably get by without the dspark but i definitely would run hcgenerate on cycle... as far s your mini pct, running hcgenerate es is as simple and cost effective as you can get... you could run the unleashed/post cycle combo with forged but you will end up paying more... if you buy es on sale at ntbm this weekend you can save nearly 20%... when it comes to cycling, there are no chevy's bro... i may have recommended things in the past, but then new things come out and better, safer and more efficient ways present themselves and so that is what i recommend... the bare minimum i would do would be to just run hcgenerate on cycle and then run ES for your pct... use the code big18 and you will save quite a bit... there is an hcgenerate two pack you can get that is discounted already and that will get you through 8 weeks... you could run hcgenerate for only 4 of the 8 weeks but your just making your recovery harder and a longer... I'm trying to make it as easy, safe and as good of an experience as I can for you... When you start cutting corners in this game, it never ends up at your advantage... Doing things thoroughly ensure you the best in every aspect...

Ha. I just explained "no chevy" as you typed your response.

 

[liffalot]

I understand what you're saying, believe me.

My point is, is that there are other posts in other threads where you've recommended any variety of supps. I've seen 'forged' recommended as a pct, which is 1/3 the price of the ES. I've seen people say doubling up the ED isn't necessary (on cycle). Not to mention, the article that you link to mentions 4 weeks being an effective cycle (which was actually the first thing I read about OSTA, remembering back).

It's not about wanting/not wanting the "lifestyle."

I came onto the lot, you showed me the Cadillac.
That's fine.
It's the best car on the lot, and I can see that you're knowledgeable about it, and enthusiastic.
Now, do you have any Chevys you can show me?

One thing I recommend is that you look at the dates of posts closely. SARMS haven't been on the market all that long in perspective, so a lot of the information that seems somewhat "recent" is very outdated. Example 1 would be the post you saw about 4 weeks of OSTA being an effective cycle - I would wager that the post is from quite a while ago when people were being very cautious and conservative with how they ran new substances like SARMs. Now we know enough to know that week 3 is the real kicker, and that sides are very minimal, and so 8 weeks is far better.

As far as your PCT problem goes, I would say you would be fine with a double dose of Unleashed, Forma Stanzol, and either some Forged PCT or Bridge.

If you've been taking HCGenerate alongside for the whole cycle that's great, but not necessary. I recommend it with S4 for certain but with these two, especially at the doses you're going to be using, I don't see it being necessary.

 

[dylangemelli]

When new products come out that can be more effective, then I adjust my recommendations accordingly... I recommend the BEST and MOST OPTIMAL WAYS to do things... If I didn't do that, then that would be unprofessional, and that is not how I do things... I lay it our for you to play it out...