Started my first cylce

[imouttie24]

Ok I'm 24..I'm 6"2 1/2 ..222lbs..maxing 290 on flat and I push 225 on incline I haven't maxed on it though.. preacher curling 120lb sets of ten..diet could be better which it will be starting the 25 of this month..but anyways I'm hitting test E 250 a week..taking half cc Monday and half cc on Thursday..Monday will be my second pinn...I have another bottle on the way along with equipoise 200mg and my pcts..which is Clomid and Nolvadex..i already have a Ai just in case but right now running so slow amount don't think I will need it right now..but anyways what I thinking of doing is finshing out this bottle like I'm doing then jump right on the second bottle but jump it up to 500mg of test E ..still spilt it in two pins so just 250 mg Monday and one 250mg on thursday..but should I blast the full 200mg of eq once a week or split it up along with the test and should I take more than 200mg a week or is that good?..and with me going up to 500 a week of test E thinking of running some Hcg which would be good to keep the boys swinging and with e.d. but with me being on test doubt I will have trouble with e.d.. I would like to have some more info on the equipoise and the h.c.g..I have done some research on the eq but always more is better and on the h.c.g I have done very little..any help would be appreciated thanks!

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[imouttie24]

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[dusteefartz]

I dont know where you heard that HCG is for E.D. but that is dead wrong. HCG is an aid in helping your body keep creating its own natural test which in turn keeps the boys down below plump and not shrink to p-nut size. I would do a little more research of what you think you are doing. Bcs I personally do not understand where you are going with this.

 

[imouttie24]

I dont know where you heard that HCG is for E.D. but that is dead wrong. HCG is an aid in helping your body keep creating its own natural test which in turn keeps the boys down below plump and not shrink to p-nut size. I would do a little more research of what you think you are doing. Bcs I personally do not understand where you are going with this.

Yes which helps keep your libido up which in turns helps get your Dick hard..eq has side of e.d and with test and hcg won't have that problem..I trying to come up with a game plan on the eq and hcg..how much and how often..and on the test should I run 250 a week again or bump it up to two full cc's a week one on Monday and one on thursday..from what I read that's when u see gains..

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[goin on 4T]

Yes which helps keep your libido up which in turns helps get your Dick hard..eq has side of e.d and with test and hcg won't have that problem..I trying to come up with a game plan on the eq and hcg..how much and how often..and on the test should I run 250 a week again on bump it up..from what I read that's when u see gains

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Eq has side of ED? Wtf?

250 of test a week again on bump it up?
Please fix this so we don't give you incorrect advice.

 

[stevesmi]

Yes which helps keep your libido up which in turns helps get your Dick hard..eq has side of e.d and with test and hcg won't have that problem..I trying to come up with a game plan on the eq and hcg..how much and how often..and on the test should I run 250 a week again or bump it up to two full cc's a week one on Monday and one on thursday..from what I read that's when u see gains..

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hcg mimics LH in the body. lets not get ahead of ourselves, anything more than that is just hypothetical.

the way to use hcg is blasting it ahead of pct. some guys use it on cycle but save your money and use hcgenerate instead.

you can gain plenty on 250mg of test a week, no need to go higher at all since you are using EQ. your first cycle should never be multiple compounds like this though.. you are merely busting your first nut the first time, no reason to complicate things

EQ has such a long ester that it is a poor choice for a first cycle. U ester will linger in your body for 6 some weeks after last injection.. and since it is a long ester you gotta run it 14 weeks minimum to begin with. thats a long time for a newb

 

[imouttie24]

Eq has side of ED? Wtf?

250 of test a week again on bump it up?
Please fix this so we don't give you incorrect advice.

From what I have read its really the only side and that depends on the person and other factors.. i fixed the mistake..they say run eq for 16 at least weeks to see results..so that means I need two bottels if I run 200 a week and should just do 20 weeks right or intell I run out of test...cuz I will be getting them around the frist of next month and I haven't even done my second pin intell Monday so it should all work out...can anyone who has used this stack think a good schedule and dosed for me to see good gains and make it all come together?

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[imouttie24]

hcg mimics LH in the body. lets not get ahead of ourselves, anything more than that is just hypothetical.

the way to use hcg is blasting it ahead of pct. some guys use it on cycle but save your money and use hcgenerate instead.

you can gain plenty on 250mg of test a week, no need to go higher at all since you are using EQ. your first cycle should never be multiple compounds like this though.. you are merely busting your first nut the first time, no reason to complicate things

EQ has such a long ester that it is a poor choice for a first cycle. U ester will linger in your body for 6 some weeks after last injection.. and since it is a long ester you gotta run it 14 weeks minimum to begin with. thats a long time for a newb

Yea I'm just going to stay 250..I have heard really good things about eq and how it has no sides and I will see how just the test affects me before I start the eq

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[stevesmi]

^^^ well if you insist on EQ/test stack then do EQ 400-500mg a week and test at 250mg a week. i inject E and U esters once or twice a week ..

EQ shoot for 14 weeks you can always adjust it .. newbs tend to map cycles out like writing out directions to a new restaurant. one of the best ways to be successful is being flexible on cycle and adjust things as you go instead of sticking to a iron clad plan.

your pct needs to be stretched out to cover for that U ester.. dont run a 4 week pct after your last injection and think you are recovered. the ester will still be in your body

test aromatizes bigtime you definately need to use an AI on this cycle

 

[goin on 4T]

Eq has a fucking horrific side. It's called anxiety. It makes some people do crazy they stop in the third to fourth week. I hope you are not prone to anxiety.

 

[buddhabuilder]

And PCT after the 2 week cruise;

Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/Post Cycle
DAA powder or chews
Forma Stanzol during cruise and PCT is a bonus.

Are you straight on the HCG?

 

[imouttie24]

its From the raised red blood count..but I'm debating on dropping the eq..and just run the two bottels of test..I mean that pic was like two weeks ago all natural and if I posted one from a month before u would be like wtf he juicing so I have natural genes for this just going to use the test to help them along better haha thanks guys for the help!.. should I still run the hcg before I pct if I'm running low amouts of the test like I am..I hear 300 or more of test is when ur boys totally shut off is it true or do they shut of totally with any amount?..I have two bags of Letrozole (femara) going to get another two bags for the second bottle..
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[joeblow12345]

its From the raised red blood count..but I'm debating on dropping the eq..and just run the two bottels of test..I mean that pic was like two weeks ago all natural and if I posted one from a month before u would be like wtf he juicing so I have natural genes for this just going to use the test to help them along better haha thanks guys for the help!.. should I still run the hcg before I pct if I'm running low amouts of the test like I am..I hear 300 or more of test is when ur boys totally shut off is it true or do they shut of totally with any amount?..I have two bags of Letrozole (femara) going to get another two bags for the second bottle..
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No no. Don't use letro unless you wanna waste any chance you have of making gains. It's too strong to use on cycle. Get some adex, aromasin, or forma. You will be fine with a low dose of any of those. And any amount of test will shut you down. Once your body realizes that test is coming in from an external source it will stop producing on its own. I always recommend running hcgenerate on cycle and blasting hcg before pct. it will vastly improve your chances of recovery so why not.

 

[imouttie24]

No no. Don't use letro unless you wanna waste any chance you have of making gains. It's too strong to use on cycle. Get some adex, aromasin, or forma. You will be fine with a low dose of any of those. And any amount of test will shut you down. Once your body realizes that test is coming in from an external source it will stop producing on its own. I always recommend running hcgenerate on cycle and blasting hcg before pct. it will vastly improve your chances of recovery so why not.

Wel they are 2.5mg pill and I was going to take only half a pill a day..still to strong?

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[Raff]

wel they are 2.5mg pill and i was going to take only half a pill a day..still to strong?

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yes

 

[imouttie24]

yes

Where is a good place to get hcgenerate? They seem sold out every where..I took test fx reload and i felt great change with that stuff.. what's the best ai u think I will need out of those three?..Can I use the bag I got for my pct?

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[imouttie24]

Ok I'm getting Arimidex instead..for pct Clomid and Nolvadex? With hcgenerate sound good?
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[joeblow12345]

Ok I'm getting Arimidex instead..for pct Clomid and Nolvadex? With hcgenerate sound good?
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Run the cycle like this.

1-12 test e 375 mg week
1-12 adex 0.25 mg eod
6-10 hcgenerate (link in my sig)
10-14 hcg 500 ius eod

Pct 14-18
Clomid 25 mg day
Forged methyl or pc/ unleashed
Forma
Daa ( with pc/ unleashed combo)

18-22 bridge and dspark

The supps can be had at Ntbm. Link is in my sig with discount code. Forma at mrsupps. And adex and clomid at ag guys.

 

[stevesmi]

yeah dude i feel like you are getting overwhelmed with information. i hope you are listening to the advice in this thread which has been excellent.

yes letro is too harsh, you want to control estrogen on cycle, not kill it.. you need estrogen, too low is worse than too high believe it or not.
yes you need to run hcg to kickstart pct
yes you should run 1 compound the first time, your results will be the exact same 1 compound vs. 2 trust me. you won't know the difference
yes ANY amount of AAS will suppress your bodies natural hormones. this is steroids 101 and the fact you don't understand this tells me you need to learn more about what hormones are and how the body reacts.
yes you need to run bloodwork before starting to set a baseline. see my signature for how to do it.
yes i feel like you have a solid base to juice but you should spend many hours still learning about this stuff, read the stickies, read the threads on here. do it right so you can maximize your results

 

[imouttie24]

yeah dude i feel like you are getting overwhelmed with information. i hope you are listening to the advice in this thread which has been excellent.

yes letro is too harsh, you want to control estrogen on cycle, not kill it.. you need estrogen, too low is worse than too high believe it or not.
yes you need to run hcg to kickstart pct
yes you should run 1 compound the first time, your results will be the exact same 1 compound vs. 2 trust me. you won't know the difference
yes ANY amount of AAS will suppress your bodies natural hormones. this is steroids 101 and the fact you don't understand this tells me you need to learn more about what hormones are and how the body reacts.
yes you need to run bloodwork before starting to set a baseline. see my signature for how to do it.
yes i feel like you have a solid base to juice but you should spend many hours still learning about this stuff, read the stickies, read the threads on here. do it right so you can maximize your results

Yeah alot I don't understand but want to learn..I don't want to be the guy who does it then loses all his gains, I want to keep as much as I can..( for all the haters I know I wont keep all the gains but if done right and stay with the plan u can keep a nice amount!) Have saying that I have orderd the other bottle of test e and will run it for 20 weeks at 250 a week..I also orderd 2 bags (Arimidex) and 2 bags Clomid...the (Arimidex) raises natural testosterone just like hcgenerate...so would that be a waste? Or should I still get the hcgenerate? And lets say I have another $60 what would be the next best thing to get to help achieve my goal? Also I already of a bag of letro my buddy said I could take a quarter piece every other day with my body size and would help with water weight..I understand some water weight is good for the joints and helps tear muscle down when pumped but I have it on hand in case I gain more.. like I said I already have a bag and my sec pin is tomorrow and I won't get the (Arimidex) intell the first week of next month..what should I do?. Ride it out and wait or do the quarter every other day then which to (Arimidex) when it comes?

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[joeblow12345]

Yeah alot I don't understand but want to learn..I don't want to be the guy who does it then loses all his gains, I want to keep as much as I can..( for all the haters I know I wont keep all the gains but if done right and stay with the plan u can keep a nice amount!) Have saying that I have orderd the other bottle of test e and will run it for 20 weeks at 250 a week..I also orderd 2 bags (Arimidex) and 2 bags Clomid...the (Arimidex) raises natural testosterone just like hcgenerate...so would that be a waste? Or should I still get the hcgenerate? And lets say I have another $60 what would be the next best thing to get to help achieve my goal? Also I already of a bag of letro my buddy said I could take a quarter piece every other day with my body size and would help with water weight..I understand some water weight is good for the joints and helps tear muscle down when pumped but I have it on hand in case I gain more.. like I said I already have a bag and my sec pin is tomorrow and I won't get the (Arimidex) intell the first week of next month..what should I do?. Ride it out and wait or do the quarter every other day then which to (Arimidex) when it comes?

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Go to ag guys and buy the liquidex. It's the same thing but in a liquid instead of a pill. Your gonna need the adex before next month. By the way, holy fuck a month to get some adex? Wtf did you order if from Antarctica? You will still need hcgenerate to minimize atrophy. Adex lowers estrogen, its not going to raise your natural test levels during pct, the clomid, pc, unleashed, and daa will. And stop listening to your buddy. I'm sure he means well but he's gonna screw you over because he doesn't know what he's doing. Letro is for gyno removal not prevention. So taking any amount of that pill is not smart unless you have man boobs present. Got it?

 

[imouttie24]

Go to ag guys and buy the liquidex. It's the same thing but in a liquid instead of a pill. Your gonna need the adex before next month. By the way, holy fuck a month to get some adex? Wtf did you order if from Antarctica? You will still need hcgenerate to minimize atrophy. Adex lowers estrogen, its not going to raise your natural test levels during pct, the clomid, pc, unleashed, and daa will. And stop listening to your buddy. I'm sure he means well but he's gonna screw you over because he doesn't know what he's doing. Letro is for gyno removal not prevention. So taking any amount of that pill is not smart unless you have man boobs present. Got it?

Its the same thing as what? It will ship Wednesday and ill get it 15 days after that..I go thur a good site over seas..I have another one that's faster shipping but I like gp products better and they are a lot more descreet..ok will be ording the hcgenerte next week..my second pinn is today..my buddy thinks I'm already bigger but I know its just from my work outs..I worked out yesterday for two hours on the clock then squatted all the triadmills so the cleaning lady could get under them haha..but anyways ill just have to hold of for two and half weeks on the ai then start taking them..so what should I use that 60 on?

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[joeblow12345]

The arimadex.

 

[imouttie24]

The arimadex.

I already got those coming..thinking of using the 60 on some test freak or testo fx load..I have taken the testo fx and gained like 15 lbs but it had a nice amount of water weight but I got a lot stronger.. I could use one of those if I can't get my hands on hcgenerate right?

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[joeblow12345]

I already got those coming..thinking of using the 60 on some test freak or testo fx load..I have taken the testo fx and gained like 15 lbs but it had a nice amount of water weight but I got a lot stronger.. I could use one of those if I can't get my hands on hcgenerate right?

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I have no clue what either of those are. Hcgenerate is to keep your nuts from shrinking not to gain 15 lbs. that's what the juice is for. I was saying that ag guys would have had you the adex in 2-3 days instead of waiting 2 years for some international source to feel like sending it to you. Bro incase you don't know the world is changing. International lines are much more difficult to traverse nowadays. It's much faster, easier, cheaper, and safer to deal with domestic suppliers for everything. If in the event you do have something seized at the border, your gonna be under scrutiny from then on with all international packs. Arimadex in research form is legal to posses here in the states. That pharmacy adex requires a script to legally own.

 

[imouttie24]

I have no clue what either of those are. Hcgenerate is to keep your nuts from shrinking not to gain 15 lbs. that's what the juice is for. I was saying that ag guys would have had you the adex in 2-3 days instead of waiting 2 years for some international source to feel like sending it to you. Bro incase you don't know the world is changing. International lines are much more difficult to traverse nowadays. It's much faster, easier, cheaper, and safer to deal with domestic suppliers for everything. If in the event you do have something seized at the border, your gonna be under scrutiny from then on with all international packs. Arimadex in research form is legal to posses here in the states. That pharmacy adex requires a script to legally own.

They are test boosters..which would keep my boys swinging since that's what hcgen is right?

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[imouttie24]

Monday was my sec pin and Thursday will be my third..I feel like I can work out harder and longer all ready..
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[stevesmi]

They are test boosters..which would keep my boys swinging since that's what hcgen is right?

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hcgenerate, hcg, HMG mimic LH which causes test levels to rise and your nuts to plump up.

 

[joeblow12345]

Monday was my sec pin and Thursday will be my third..I feel like I can work out harder and longer all ready..
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I see your already starting to get some acne on your arms. I suggest looking into some OTC acne treatments. Ntbm makes an acne attacker kit. You can also do some tanning and I suggest at least 2-3 showers a day. And regular test boosters won't keep your nuts plump like hcgenerate will.

 

[imouttie24]

I see your already starting to get some acne on your arms. I suggest looking into some OTC acne treatments. Ntbm makes an acne attacker kit. You can also do some tanning and I suggest at least 2-3 showers a day. And regular test boosters won't keep your nuts plump like hcgenerate will.

No that's a scare from a horse bite..I was feeding and one thought I was going to slow..I punched they mf in the noise and laid him on his ass haha..I train horses on the side and involed in training is wrestling..shows they who is boss and rub all kind of stuff on them and loud noises so they don't get scared but any way I tan about three times a week and I take two a day already the only place I get acne is on my ass and I'm doing good there right now I'm going to get hcgen ...oh and the redness on my shoulder is where I went over the handle bars of my street bike at 90mph.. I was blessed that night but ill look into the Oct just case..thanks man

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[imouttie24]

Well Monday will finish off my third week..I see the biggest differecne in my legs and calf..I work them out the day after each pinn..I have been slimming up but have keep most my size..I'm arms are 17.7 right now but are looking good..goal is 20 or higher..sex drive hasn't really changed..no temper problems..no sides really at all..my ai which is adrimx will be here next staurday..for my pct I got hcgenarate, Clomid, test phfreak and will be getting a bottle of D.AA...what do u think about MK-2866? Need to find some forma in pills to take with my pct also..with all the work I'm putting into this I shouldn't lose any size haha it would be nice huh

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