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snoothjam

snoothjam

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Hi,
My current stats:
27
80kg (176lbs)
1.80m (5ft11?)
13% bf

Goal: Lean Bulking

I wish to start a bulking stack consisting of Test Prop 100 + NPP + Masteron. This is will be my first proper stack of injectable nature. I plan on running the stack for 8 weeks at which point I will be relocating internationally and will be unable to travel with stock in hand. The move might be pushed back by a month adding an additional 4 weeks resulting in a 12 week window period. If I should be running it longer please mention it in your reply. I wish to commence this cycle during the first week of January. I ran a course of Masteron in Nov to get a feel for what injecting is all about. Also did a course of Proviron with the Masteron. Finished both at begining of Dec. I wish to cut down on my body fat further, would it be possible to run a cycle of Clen or Helios (Clen & Yohimbe) at the same time as running the aforementioned stack or should I forget about fat burners for now?

While running juice I take milk thistle (liver support) and cranberry caps (kidney support) along with about 2-3L of water p/day.

I wish to know the follow:
1. Is this a sensible stack?
2. Dosage advice?
3. Can the trio be drawn into the same syringe?
4. What kind of PCT?
5. Does anyone know where I can get good quality juice from reputable lab while in Paris, France?

As a footnote, I have been known to have a temper. My nutritionist said I will have to watch my temper while running test prop. Is this a fallacy or something I should watch out for? I welcome your advice.

Thank you.

 
How long did you run the mast & provi for?
 
snoothjam said:
Hi,
My current stats:
27
80kg (176lbs)
1.80m (5ft11?)
13% bf

Goal: Lean Bulking

I wish to start a bulking stack consisting of Test Prop 100 + NPP + Masteron. This is will be my first proper stack of injectable nature. I plan on running the stack for 8 weeks at which point I will be relocating internationally and will be unable to travel with stock in hand. The move might be pushed back by a month adding an additional 4 weeks resulting in a 12 week window period. If I should be running it longer please mention it in your reply. I wish to commence this cycle during the first week of January. I ran a course of Masteron in Nov to get a feel for what injecting is all about. Also did a course of Proviron with the Masteron. Finished both at begining of Dec. I wish to cut down on my body fat further, would it be possible to run a cycle of Clen or Helios (Clen & Yohimbe) at the same time as running the aforementioned stack or should I forget about fat burners for now?

While running juice I take milk thistle (liver support) and cranberry caps (kidney support) along with about 2-3L of water p/day.

I wish to know the follow:
1. Is this a sensible stack?
2. Dosage advice?
3. Can the trio be drawn into the same syringe?
4. What kind of PCT?
5. Does anyone know where I can get good quality juice from reputable lab while in Paris, France?

As a footnote, I have been known to have a temper. My nutritionist said I will have to watch my temper while running test prop. Is this a fallacy or something I should watch out for? I welcome your advice.

Thank you.
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Test and NPP can be a great bulking stack, but adding Masteron to it really makes no sense at all. Masteron is a cosmetic drug that will harden you and improve vascularity, however at your bodyfat level and the fact that you are running wet compounds will make Masteron completely useless as you will not notice its results.

I would stick with Test P and NPP at 100mg EOD each for 8-10 weeks (you can pin both at once in the same syringe). but if you just finished a cycle at the beginning of December, you have a long time to wait before you should cycle again. I would wait a couple more months before starting.

This is not a source board, so nobody is going to give you sources here. It is against forum rules. If you want sources go sign up at Evolutionary Bodybuilding Diet and MMA It is an open source board.

For PCT, I will lay out a perfect one for you...

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html
 
RickRock13 said:
Test and NPP can be a great bulking stack, but adding Masteron to it really makes no sense at all. Masteron is a cosmetic drug that will harden you and improve vascularity, however at your bodyfat level and the fact that you are running wet compounds will make Masteron completely useless as you will not notice its results.

I would stick with Test P and NPP at 100mg EOD each for 8-10 weeks (you can pin both at once in the same syringe). but if you just finished a cycle at the beginning of December, you have a long time to wait before you should cycle again. I would wait a couple more months before starting.

This is not a source board, so nobody is going to give you sources here. It is against forum rules. If you want sources go sign up at Evolutionary Bodybuilding Diet and MMA It is an open source board.

For PCT, I will lay out a perfect one for you...

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html
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Hi Rick,

Thank you for the comprehensive. Apologies for breaking forum rules it was not my intention to violate rules. I will head over to the link provided. Thanks a mill for that.

I just wanna make sure I understand you 100%. I did a vial of Masteron 10ml for the month of Nov. finished at end of Nov.(Lost 2% bf). Now I have to wait months before I can run a full bulking stack? How long do I have to wait, 1/2/3-months? Masteron was the first roid to have have ever entered my system.

The aim of adding Mast was to inhibit aromatising of test prop. You're welcome to make a suggestion on an aromatise inhibitor.

Could you please address whether I can run Clen or Helios with the suggested stack? Really wanna cut down on the flab.

Lastly, should I watch for roid-rage on test prop?



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RickRock13 said:
Test and NPP can be a great bulking stack, but adding Masteron to it really makes no sense at all. Masteron is a cosmetic drug that will harden you and improve vascularity, however at your bodyfat level and the fact that you are running wet compounds will make Masteron completely useless as you will not notice its results.

I would stick with Test P and NPP at 100mg EOD each for 8-10 weeks (you can pin both at once in the same syringe). but if you just finished a cycle at the beginning of December, you have a long time to wait before you should cycle again. I would wait a couple more months before starting.

This is not a source board, so nobody is going to give you sources here. It is against forum rules. If you want sources go sign up at Evolutionary Bodybuilding Diet and MMA It is an open source board.

For PCT, I will lay out a perfect one for you...

Liquid Clomid 50/50/25/25 (AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!)
Formastanozol 5 pumps twice daily (MR Supps)
Test Stack 17 or PHYTOSERMS (see link below for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg per day (SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators)

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...hytoserms-347-347-beyond-natural-1260633.html
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^^^^^This ... couldn't have broken it down better. I would wait until end of Feb and then have bloods done before starting the next cycle ... for your own health's sake. :)
 
masteron has AI "properties" but in NO WAY should it be depended upon as an ai... Your body fat is far too high for masteron... You need to be below 10% to really get the most out of it and it makes no sense to run it on a bulking stack... if your wanting to put on size and drop fat, then you need to add gw-501516 at 20 mg day... you will melt fat and still be able to put on size... run "liquidex" from n2bm as your ai on cycle...

here is a strong pct for you...

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
liquidex n2bm.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…
 
Thank you for all the great advice guys. Do you think Proviron will be a more sensible addition to the stack than Masteron or equally pointless?


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Thanks Dillon. I'm glad to see I'm starting to understand the workings of these compounds a bit better. All because of support from guys like you.

Dillon, when ordering from PCT from n2bm.com do you know of customers having problems with custom on those items?


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snoothjam said:
Thanks Dillon. I'm glad to see I'm starting to understand the workings of these compounds a bit better. All because of support from guys like you.

Dillon, when ordering from PCT from n2bm.com do you know of customers having problems with custom on those items?


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very rarely are there any customs issues bro... im not saying it hasn't happened but its not a common issue
 
Tren ace 100mg eod
Test prop 50mg eod
Masteron 100mg eod
Best cycle iv ever run in terms of strength, vascularity aswel as muscle definition and hardness. Ran that for 8 weeks ansdsaw phenomenal changes. Dont know how everyone else feels about that cycle but just putting it out there that this stack did wonders.
 
Analyst22 said:
Tren ace 100mg eod
Test prop 50mg eod
Masteron 100mg eod
Best cycle iv ever run in terms of strength, vascularity aswel as muscle definition and hardness. Ran that for 8 weeks ansdsaw phenomenal changes. Dont know how everyone else feels about that cycle but just putting it out there that this stack did wonders.
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I'm 100% completely :rainbow: for this
 
What is the recommended dosage of Proviron when stacking with Test P & NPP? 100mg p/day spread across the day or 100mg (4 tabs) drunk at once?


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Just to be sure we are comparing apples with apples. I'm using the Proviron manufactured by Bayer. If seen some other varieties out there but that's the one I've used and will be using again

Dylan, if I understand Proviron's properties correctly then the Pro makes the Test P a bit more effective and the Test P makes the Proviron a bit more potent too? The dosage advice I got for previous cycles was without the addition of Test. Does the addition of test to Proviron influence the size of the Proviron dosage?


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snoothjam said:
Just to be sure we are comparing apples with apples. I'm using the Proviron manufactured by Bayer. If seen some other varieties out there but that's the one I've used and will be using again

Dylan, if I understand Proviron's properties correctly then the Pro makes the Test P a bit more effective and the Test P makes the Proviron a bit more potent too? The dosage advice I got for previous cycles was without the addition of Test. Does the addition of test to Proviron influence the size of the Proviron dosage?


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you definitely want to use proviron with test... without it, its fairly weak... its more of a muscle hardener than anything... you really don't need to run it at 100 mg... 50-75 mg is plenty... make sure you are running n2guard on cycle as well...
 
100mg proviron will have no more effect that a 50mg dose should have hey. Keep it at 50mg a day split morning and evening. But at 100mg u just wasting ur money bro
 
Analyst22 said:
Tren ace 100mg eod
Test prop 50mg eod
Masteron 100mg eod
Best cycle iv ever run in terms of strength, vascularity aswel as muscle definition and hardness. Ran that for 8 weeks ansdsaw phenomenal changes. Dont know how everyone else feels about that cycle but just putting it out there that this stack did wonders.
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Yes, very good cycle, justot for me ... Or not soon, anyways. Hate pinning prop, horrible PIP, but great cycle.
 
So guys which stack should I go for?
1. NPP, Test P & Proviron
or
2. Tren ace, Test P & Masteron
??

What is "PIP" an abbreviation for?


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snoothjam said:
So guys which stack should I go for?
1. NPP, Test P & Proviron
or
2. Tren ace, Test P & Masteron
??

What is "PIP" an abbreviation for?


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Post injection pain.. which your bound to get with option 2 and no knowledge of pip.

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To confirm my cycle will be:
Test P 100mg eod
NPP 100mg eod
Proviron 50mg p/d

8-12weeks

I'm thinking of adding GW to the cycle to aide fat loss. Please advise the most opportune time to add GW to the mix.


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snoothjam said:
Thanks Dylan. If having to choose between T3 and GW, do you still think GW is the better choice?


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GW is a Benz and T3 is a Hyundai with a luxury package. Yeah a hyundai "luxury" but it's a fuckin hyundai. Yeah t3 shreds u but it eats your muscle.
 
you will not find any quality even close to the quality at sarms1.com... there is a bogo going on there now as well... buy 2 get 1 free...
 
So I've started my cycle and things are going great! Got a celebrity trainer, who's a builder himself, to do a diet for me, trainer knows exactly what's the deal so he's working me like an Indian kid in a sweat shop. My body is responding well and it's popping from every seam. I slightly heat the oil in the syringe, aspirate and sterilise properly so PIP is almost zero, almost! Thank you to all who guided me on the stack and pip info.

Believe it or not, I'm already thinking about the upcoming cutting cycle.

I'm thinking a little something along the lines of Clen/GW (maybe both) & Masteron & Winstrol. Please advise on:

1. Is this a sensible stack to consider for cutting down?
2. Dosage
3. Can those 3 be drawn into the same syringe?

Alternative compound/stack suggestions welcome.

It's as if I can almost feel my body growing. Exciting times!


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The damn app won't allow me to edit. I forgot to ask whether I can start this while on PCT? If not how long do I need up wait after bulking cycle have ended?


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snoothjam said:
So I've started my cycle and things are going great! Got a celebrity trainer, who's a builder himself, to do a diet for me, trainer knows exactly what's the deal so he's working me like an Indian kid in a sweat shop. My body is responding well and it's popping from every seam. I slightly heat the oil in the syringe, aspirate and sterilise properly so PIP is almost zero, almost! Thank you to all who guided me on the stack and pip info.

Believe it or not, I'm already thinking about the upcoming cutting cycle.

I'm thinking a little something along the lines of Clen/GW (maybe both) & Masteron & Winstrol. Please advise on:

1. Is this a sensible stack to consider for cutting down?
2. Dosage
3. Can those 3 be drawn into the same syringe?

Alternative compound/stack suggestions welcome.

It's as if I can almost feel my body growing. Exciting times!


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snoothjam said:
The damn app won't allow me to edit. I forgot to ask whether I can start this while on PCT? If not how long do I need up wait after bulking cycle have ended?


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You should be bridging with GW and running your PCT. However long your cycle is, you should be taking that time off. So if you are running a 8 week cycle and 4 week PCT, you should be waiting for 3 months.

"Can I put all 3 in the same syringe?" Winny is mostly oral these days and clen is liquid liposomal (under tongue) and oral in pill form. Masteron is your only injectable. If you wanted to throw 4 weeks of winny or var in at the last 4 weeks of your cycle you could. You should wait for the suggested time to get your natural values right.

Clen is not an option bro. Run Albuterol instead. You COULD throw in Albuterol at the end of your cycle with the winny.

http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16159&cat=250

Did you follow Dylan's advice and acquire the compounds for PCT protocol he planned out? You can get everything on www.needtobuildmuscle.com
 
Hi guys, I'm now 3 weeks in on a 8 week cycle which includes test P. I'm thinking of replacing the test P with test C during week 5 and making it a 10 or 12 week cycle.

What I need to know is:
1. Is it possible to change crocodiles midstream or should I sail one with what I started with?

2. If yes, how does this affect the dosage of the other two compounds? (NPP & Proviron).

3. Recommended dosage for Test C?

Mainly want to know if this is possible? Just playing with the idea, but wanna hear from those in the know before taking any action.

Thank you in advance.


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snoothjam said:
Hi guys, I'm now 3 weeks in on a 8 week cycle which includes test P. I'm thinking of replacing the test P with test C during week 5 and making it a 10 or 12 week cycle.

What I need to know is:
1. Is it possible to change crocodiles midstream or should I sail one with what I started with?

2. If yes, how does this affect the dosage of the other two compounds? (NPP & Proviron).

3. Recommended dosage for Test C?

Mainly want to know if this is possible? Just playing with the idea, but wanna hear from those in the know before taking any action.

Thank you in advance.


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starting a long ester mid cycle is a horrible idea... you do realize that being that its a long ester it will take around 4 weeks to even peak... test prop will be out of your system quickly because its a short ester... you should have started the cycle with test cyp if you wanted to run it... don't change now, you will only mess up your cycle... stick with prop...
 
Thanks Dylan

The ester length difference/active life was something I worried about.

Thinking ahead, do you think I should start my test cycle with test P & C then discontinue test P after 4 weeks when test C is at full strength at which point possibly increase the test C dosage a bit?

My reasoning for wanting doing a bi-combo of test is fewer dead weeks with the test P taking stage right away and test C finishing it all but I get to ride the wave a bit longer?

Still running Proviron & NPP as the compound accompaniments.


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snoothjam said:
Thanks Dylan

The ester length difference/active life was something I worried about.

Thinking ahead, do you think I should start my test cycle with test P & C then discontinue test P after 4 weeks when test C is at full strength at which point possibly increase the test C dosage a bit?

My reasoning for wanting doing a bi-combo of test is fewer dead weeks with the test P taking stage right away and test C finishing it all but I get to ride the wave a bit longer?

Still running Proviron & NPP as the compound accompaniments.


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you can definitely kickstart your cycle with test prop in the future, just as you described although I feel there are better kickstart options, such as LGD 4033 or certain orals...
 
Believe it or not but I prefer jabs to orals. My stomach can be sensitive and considering I've got PIP down to virtually nothing, would do jabs over orals. I mean some days I don't even feel I've jabbed.

Could you please PM me alternative cycle kick starts? I wanna do research and check availability.


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