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squats on swissball!!!

thriller

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iv been using the swissball a bit for working out on. butr i fell the best is doing squats on it. after i get my strength where i want it to be im goin to use it again for athletics. i have hard of football players using it for squats but no one on here uses the ball for squats. why?
 
How in the heck am I supposed to squat while standing on a swiss ball? How do I unrack 500lbs and begin to step on a swiss ball? No freakin' way...lol. I can see it now...lol...I'll call the Hospital before I ever do my first set...

B True
 
MarshallPenniford said:
No, no, no - you jump up in the air w/the weights, and someone quickly sticks the ball underneath you! You could never get on one leg at a time!

:lmao:
 
first its for athletics

who said you have to use that much wieght? you stand on it then someone puts the weight on your back if you practisei t and have good spotters you wont hurt yourslef. i can do it? i just first started with standing and kneeling then i used the bar then i would slowly put more and more weight on it. i knoiw for a fact that football players use it cuz i know someone that plays university ball and he was then one who told me to do it. thnaks for the sarcastic remarks.
 
Re: first its for athletics

thriller said:
who said you have to use that much wieght? you stand on it then someone puts the weight on your back if you practisei t and have good spotters you wont hurt yourslef. i can do it? i just first started with standing and kneeling then i used the bar then i would slowly put more and more weight on it. i knoiw for a fact that football players use it cuz i know someone that plays university ball and he was then one who told me to do it. thnaks for the sarcastic remarks.

My apologies...seriously. I can see these being good for athletic improvement...but not as a substitute for the regular squat.

I was actually making fun of myself...a fat guy like me would burst one of those balls...and my feet are so big that they would take up the entire surface anyway...lol

B True
 
the guy i tlsk to says that i should do everyhting on the ball when i train for athletics. everything is with dumbells. with the exception of some things. i find whne i do the squats on the ball after i will do normal squats and it feels so much easier.
but dont be stupid and not practise standing on it.

ill try and get some pics or soemthing
 
squatting with even light dbells on a stability ball is tough as hell. it feels like you are using alot due to the fact that you cant just push straight down, you have to modulate and control the amount of force you produce. its an awesome exercise, i sweat like a whore in confessional when i do them too. ive taken my share of spills too though. thats where getting up and looking around quick is a good thing. LOL.

they are good though for overall stability, and yes, they do make regular squats seem easy.
 
how big is the ball?

I keep thinking of the big ass swiss balls at my gym

and no way anybody is gonna do a squat on them!!
 
i know what swissball you are talkin bout coolcolj. iv tried them on the big ones. at home i have the small one though. i didnt find that much of a difference
ps the one at my house is not small but small then the one at the gym i went to.
 
When I was in Rehab for my lower back they had me do like Sissy Squats using the Big Swiss ball against a wall

Ball is at waist height up against a wall. Your back against the ball, facing away, go thru the squat motion and the ball rolls along your back as you go down all the way.

Started with no weight and upped the weight using light DB.
Sounds wussy but do about 50 of them slow and they are good for core stability when you have an injury.

FYI.. Is not intended to replace Squats in any form or fashion except if looking for definition or rehab.
 
Y_Lifter said:
When I was in Rehab for my lower back they had me do like Sissy Squats using the Big Swiss ball against a wall

Ball is at waist height up against a wall. Your back against the ball, facing away, go thru the squat motion and the ball rolls along your back as you go down all the way.

Started with no weight and upped the weight using light DB.
Sounds wussy but do about 50 of them slow and they are good for core stability when you have an injury.

FYI.. Is not intended to replace Squats in any form or fashion except if looking for definition or rehab.

called wall squats or wall sits (if held isometrically at some point)

and yes, coolcolj, those big ass swiss balls at the gym...the ones people do abs on. the bigger the ball the easier it is to balance on, the smaller ones are more reactive and will move quicker under you. standing on a medicine ball is fun too, easier. i dont do it as an exercise though, more or less to see if i can do it.
 
im a try and tke a pic tomorrow but i havnt done it in a while so it wont be to spectactulay with the 90 or so bls. ill take it from different angles
 
thats true

its only for athletics. see for me in basketball when am i just goin to stand there and jump (well sometimes) or when i m pushing the ball and i half to switch directions it helps with that too.
 
Re: thats true

thriller said:
its only for athletics. see for me in basketball when am i just goin to stand there and jump (well sometimes) or when i m pushing the ball and i half to switch directions it helps with that too.

I'm sorry, I may be misunderstanding you, but a swiss ball squat will not help you with your change of direction abilities. It will help w/ coordination and balance, but it wont directly impact your agility.
 
now that i think of it you are kinda right but it helped me with being able to beat people off the dribble and dribble through the full court press. (witch involves me switching directions
 
Squatting on a swiss ball will do nothing to improve athletic performance unless your sport takes place while standing on a swiss ball. It is a very impressive accomplishment but it does not transfer to sport.
 
a good friend of mine will stand on the swiss ball, squat, while doing dumbell overhead presses over his head...he is in sick shape and has insane balance, dont worry about all the weight when you are doing it,

peace
 
I don't think I'm understanding this right. How can a person (other than a circus performer) stand on a ball? Someone please post a picture.
 
i will right now

i will post a pic right now. and i iwll be getting references from my friedn how is a successful personal trainer and a football player. ( if it will help your balance how will it not improve your athletic ability?)

ps i will not be doin to much weight becuase i stepped on glass and cut my foot andi t is still healing.
 
Couldn't get the link to work man...

B True
 
how do you put a pic on here

can someone tell me how i can insert a pic. im goin ot put the pic of me squatting with wieght (i havnt done this in a while so my form doesnt look great and the ball isnt pumped all the way but ive done it one balls that are pumped all the way and it is easy well the ball was bigger to) i dont have much weight on my back either.
so anyone tell me how to put a pic on.
 
Re: how do you put a pic on here

thriller said:
can someone tell me how i can insert a pic. im goin ot put the pic of me squatting with wieght (i havnt done this in a while so my form doesnt look great and the ball isnt pumped all the way but ive done it one balls that are pumped all the way and it is easy well the ball was bigger to) i dont have much weight on my back either.
so anyone tell me how to put a pic on.

To post pics you need to be a platinum member.....if you aren't you could:

1) Send your pics to somebody who is.

2) Put your pics on another page and link to them.
 
anyone here a platnium member. if so can i send you the pics and you post them i dont know how to make a link.
thanks
 
no problem man

nam na its ok mp and b fold. no harm done. b fold i will be sendin it to you soon but my dad is on the computer that has the pics so when he leaves i will send it asap.
thanks
 
i sent it to you bfold tell me if you got it or nor cuz i had ot send it from my dads email and it works a little different then mine.
 
Nothing yet...

B True
 
Lol at Paul Chek...... just because you can squat on a swiss ball does not mean the transfer will be taken over to your squat.
It hasn't for my clients or myself. If you want to be good at squatting on a ball then practice it. There is no scientific research that states stability ball training such as standing on a sports ball will do anything for ones performance.
 
but for basketball it helped me

this helped me alot when i am takin someone off the drible and hop stepping ot the basket i feel stronger and more quicker goin to the basket. and bmore balance when low to the grouind dribbling.
 
Thriller...most likely you simply improved your skill level in your sport (basketball). Sports skills are very specific and improve with practice of that sport, not by performing any specific exercise. Training for sport involves improving physical abilities that support activities, not improving the skills themselves.

Mr. Chek and the rest of the "functional training" gurus apply rehabilitation principles (transversus abdominis training, swiss ball training, proprioceptive training) to healthy athletes which is a waste of time. It does have an training effect on UNTRAINED individuals as they will see an effect with ANY training stimulus from carrying 50 pound buckets of cow manure 200 feet x 10 reps to the olympic lifts. Time is better spent doing things that improve your abilities that support your sports skills.
 
tva activation and proprioception is not useful for healthy athletes? proprioception isnt useful for an athlete? control and awareness of ones body in space isnt useful? come on now. dont make a blanket statement unless you apply those principles and found them not to work. do you?

how about said athletes with faulty movement recruitment patterns? muscle imbalances? flexibility issues?

specific training is fine for a sport but if an athlete is landing wrong, pushing off wrong, turning wrong or even slowly due to overactive synergists, inhibition or a weak core.....now what? just keep practicing and getting stronger in the wrong ways?
 
Yeah i do squats on the ball all the time. The best adducter workout in the world not to metion other leg muscles and stability. I can front squat 115 for about 8 standing on the ball. Also try push-ups with your hands on 2 different balls holding them apart the whole time. They will crush you chest. You will also fatigue tones of little fibers.
 
Nate,

In nonpathological situations, athletes recruit the TVA reflexively. If it didn't you would never be able to throw a ball, run, jump or whatever because you would fall over. It is not something that needs to be taught. Also realize that the lumbar musculature and peripheral stability plays much greater role in stability than the TVA. The research that Clark, Chek, Santana, Gambetta, and many others promoting functional training came from subjects with back pain and other pathologies (heavily referencing Richardson, Jull, et al.). Also, Jandas research (which also forms a basis for their conjectures) has never been substantiated to acceptible levels in the scientific community. There is some great info on this on the Supertraining board at yahoo.com if you are willing to challenge your current beliefs and perhaps shed some light on topics you may be interested in.

Take a healthy well-trained running back and put him on a wobble board and he will wobble a great deal if he has never done it before. Does that mean he lacks proprioception? No, it means he lacks the skill to balance on a wobble board. Once he learns to do a blindfolded, single-leg squat on a wobble board does that mean he now has better proprioception for his sport No, it means his skill has improved in a blindfolded, single-leg squat on a wobble board. Most of the so-called proprioceptive exercises are specific skills in and of themselves. They require learning, not increased proprioception. Your proprioception does not increase when learning a skill (It’s actually at a fixed level from a neurologic standpoint, again, in not pathological situations) but intermuscular coordination does improve specifically for the new task/skill.

Muscle imbalances assessed in clinic with static or passive methods do not necessarily apply to dynamic situations. A lengthened muscle in static posture (rhomboid for example) is not necessarily weak dynamically and there is no evidence that strengthening it will improve posture (there is research demonstrating this that functional training proponents are ignoring for some reason). Tight muscles are not necessarily facilitated, especially in dynamic situations. There is a very low correlation between static and dynamic flexibility (r=0.62). Of course you will have athletes with flexibility issues, but that does not imply muscles imbalance as there are very few true antagonistic muscles (one muscle never functions alone and almost all muscles at one time or another function as prime movers, stabilizers, fixators, co-agonists, etc.). Again this is one of the drawbacks of Janda's research which gets passed on as gospel (and very heavily criticized in the scientific literature).

Your quote:
"specific training is fine for a sport but if an athlete is landing wrong, pushing off wrong, turning wrong or even slowly due to overactive synergists, inhibition or a weak core.....now what? just keep practicing and getting stronger in the wrong ways?"

You are describing issues of lack of skill and intermuscular coordination. That is what coaches do. Teach skills. Some coaches are better than others. Some athletes lack the abilities to develop that skill. Before you could throw a ball well was it because you had an overactive synergist and muscle imbalance? Or was it because you had not yet developed the intermuscular coordination to throw well? How did you get better at throwing? A swiss ball, pec minor stretches, and scapular retractions? No you kept throwing the ball. Your Dad said do it this way. Your coach said do it this way and you learned the skill of throwing with greater proficiency (intermuscular coordination).

I was right where you are several years ago. It can get confusing at times. Keep reading on motor control theory, biomechanics, etc., and question it all regardless of the source. Never accept anything as absolute as I am sure there are exceptional situations to which the above may not apply (I try to keep learning as well)
 
swissball for pushups, awsome

i do pushups too on the swissball just kills my tris and chest. i put weight in a back pack. just kills love it.

ps as soon as i am on msn at the same time as b fold i will send my pics to him.
 
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im sorry....

but im vary suprised that alot of you havnt seen or heard of this before.
sorry i havnt posted my pics yet but i can seem to get them to bfold.
 
You must be under a tight firewall.

I still don't think that squats on a swiss ball are going to improve your strength anything near doing regular, heavy, hard, balls to the wall squats.

B True
 
Good gosh...I thought that you were kidding when you were talking about STANDING on the ball!!! Obviously you weren't. I know that if I tried that there would be no way that I could stay on it. I would break something. I also don't think that you could possibly do much strength work in that position. That is just an accident waiting to happen, imo.
 
swissball not for strength training

the point of the swissball isnt strength is balance. i would never try my max weight on the swissball. ill show oyu my week training that i mgoin to start on my lower body.

mon. heavy: squats, deads, lunges

tuesday. upperbody, abs

weds. light: leg extsions, leg curls

thursday. plys and cavles

friday medium: squats (on ball)
deads (on ball)
lunges (different types for balance.

sat basketball

sun rest maybe just shotting

but still everyday i play three hours of ball
 
I like your routine...seriously. I guess I did not realize that you were doing squats AND swiss ball stuff too...:)

B True
 
thnaks

well its lookin good but it needs alittle touching up. i need to put more calves i think.
im doin periodisation training to and my friend from waterloo told me there is a problem there.
ex: im doing 110% on the 5th week in to the program.
 
Thriller, as has probably been stated in this thread, plyo ball squats will aid in balance and stability. However, they are not the only method available. Personally, I feel that basketball players should stick to straight up agility drills. If you wish to increase your balance, do 1 legged agilities and plyos. Both are more closely related to your sport.
 
arnt plys dangerous if you dont have a stronge base to work with? and i want some power. my game is good alround but i lack on takin it to the basket stronge. i want ot be stronge so when i take it to the basket i can absorbe hits and stay blalanced then when im in the air and get hit i can still put up a good shoot with the foul. this guy in my team is really powerful when he gets hit they bounce off of him. he gets pure AND 1'S.
 
What you are talking about, is training for functionality. If being balanced in the air is your goal, you must train in the air, ie plyos and practicing your layups.

You can start with low level plyos, like squat jumps, box runs, and explosive step ups. This will strengthen the connective tissue and help you develop a "base" for your plyometric training.

Also, heavy weight lifitng will help you in your goals. If you have more muscle on your body, you will absorb blows much more easily. Also, heavy training helps to strengthen connective tissue which aids in durability.

On a side note, I never used a stability ball up until about a year ago. Within a week of practicing, I was able to stand and squat on the ball. I'm 6'2 and approximately 240lbs, and I have a coordination disability.
 
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