Some thoughts about the training forum

[needsize]

I was thinking about this forum today, so bear with me if it comes out a little jumbled.

We have a great forum here. The regular crowd that hangs here is knowlegable, but at the same time willing to learn from others, a rare combo. There is kind of a clique here, but I don't know that it is a negative thing. On that chat board, there is a clique of the regulars that don't seem very friendly to newcomers or people that don't think the same way as thier "cool crowd" does. I find it different here, as membership to the clique is open to anyone who either demonstrates aquired knowlege about the game, and/or comes here willing to learn (we all had to start somewhere and no one knows it all).

Moderation on this forum in kind of a new thing, but for the most part, not necessary as it's a good group of people that hang here, that also watches out for those that come here to learn. So when asswipes drift over from other forums, they either got with the program, why we're all here, or they found themselves pretty unwelcome.

This karama thing; I'm no karma whore, frankly I could care less. But I noticed that with some exceptions (ie, corn), the people with the most karma are the ones that contribute the least amount of useful info to elite as a whole. Why not use it the way it was meant to be, and when someone posts a good point here, even if you don't agree with it, throw some karma at them for sharing their info.

 

[lemur]

agreed. This forum is great.

its great to finally be able to post somewhere without getting lit on fire.

 

[Haz]

I just recently learned how the whole Karma thing worked. I agree, we need to give Karma to people who contribute good info.

This is by far my favourite board on Elite. Not too much shit talking, and lots of good advice and support.

 

[edgecrusher]

Frankly, i could give a rat's ass about karma. But I think you have a good point, and i'll throw you some.

 

[Ingram]

A karma thread in the Training forum?!?

Just kidding, I get what you’re saying Needsize....

The thing I find funny is the Training forum is mostly composed of a few natural athletes which is fine, but where are all the AS users? Do they not train or have any thoughts on training? There is allot of guys on this board who are very knowledgeable but they’re too busy discussing how many cc’s are going in their asses tonight and how’d they like to pump JenBFL full of snot. This Training board should be the fastest moving forum on elite, everyone apparently trains here (With the exception of some of our friends from the Chat forum )

I just don’t get it, since when does steroids take presidents over training?

 

[b fold the truth]

Good thread. I try to throw around Karma every time that I can. Don't think I have ever given bad Karma....even when I disagreed with them posting what they did.

B True

 

[Haz]

Ingram, it seems that most steriod users concentrate on drugs rather then their training and diet. Thats all they ever seem to want to talk about. If they spent half as much time on their training as they did figuring out their next cycle, I think they would be way better off.

 

[JOKER47]

I personally think that the reason we don't see frequenters of the Anabolic board in here as much is that the majority of them feel their training is sound. The vast majority over there have put a lot of time and thought into their training long before they decided to incorporate AAS. As well anyone should.

While I agree that nobody knows everything about anything, I also believe that if you are lucky enough to have found a program that works very well for you, you should spend your time where you feel you have the most to learn. For them, it's the Anabolic board.

For myself, it's here.

I think we should also make sure we are not "dissing" the Anabolic board. (Some of the above posts seemed to be leaning that way.) There are some very knowledgeable guys there who not only know AAS, but know training as well. We are all here to learn from everyone.


.02,
Joker

 

[b fold the truth]

Dissing the anaboic board is a bad thing. Because those who do not use gear criticize and stereotype those who do...those who do choose not to come here.

B True

 

[Ingram]

I'm not out the shun the Anabolic members, I just don't understand why don't post here. It probably houses the majority of the boards more experienced and knowledgeable posters. It would be nice if some of them came and shared their knowledge. Most of the things posted on the training board are generally basic questions about working out, but you go look at the Anabolic board and some of these guys are talking about chemical composition, ethers, and sorts of hardcore shit. Training topics are just as vast as anabolic topics, it’d be nice to see people discussing topics to the same degree in this forum.

-Ingram

 

[needsize]

I would never advocate dissing the anabolic forum, I still spend a lot of time there absorbing knowlege from the experts there. But I'm kind of in the catagory that Joker mentioned, I am very happy with my training, and as much as I am happy to try new things and add variations, the odds are the core of my routine will remain the same, if it aint broke I aint fixin it. But at the same time, my experience and research leaves me with some knowlege to share, so that's one of the reasons I hang here. I wish some of the bro's from the anabolic board would come here to do the same, image having NPC competitors like quadsweep here helping guys with their training, where else could you find that?

 

[Doktor Bollix]

The anabolic board is not even the same thing. There's a greater degree of specifity in the human reaction to drugs than there is to training. So there is a greater consensus there on the right and wrong thing to do.

You can look at a guy in the gym and sometimes the biggest and strongest guy there has a bad diet, terrible form, poor exercise selection and so on. Genetics are a huge factor. The same guy probably has a brother at home damn near as big as him who doesn't even lift weights. Does that mean I should so the same as him?

So I can make a statement that I believe is true, for example leg extensions are completely useless unless you are involved in some sport where you kick while sitting down like wheelchair soccer or something. This will not be true for somebody else for whom it is a productive exercise.

So yeah, it would be great to hear from some of these guys, but it wouldn't really make much of a difference to me. I'd still have to figure out the individual requirements of my body and the appropriate responses. No-one else can do my thinking for me.

The cool thing about the training board is the people who are serious about sports conditioning and strength training and other athletic pursuits and the knowledge they have because they are really involved in results oriented endeavors. There's a lot of people who have achievements to their names and these people are helpful.

BTW most of the guys on roids I see in the gym look like absolute shit. Bloated, red, with the clown pants covering their chicken legs, prematurely aged faces. Anybody who thinks that drugs alone with no training knowledge will do it for them needs to see these guys.

 

[benchmonster]

Well, the guys who frequent the anabolics board are really there just to discuss performance enhancing drugs. But a few training discussions break out over there as well.

So many people on the training forum get there panties in a wad over steroids that it is hard for a person with knowledge of them to post an intelligent opinion without being ripped to pieces by the clean freaks.

Because of the antics of clean freaks, the users who, yes, often are the most knowlegeable people around are turned off, and would prefer hanging out with people who don't flame them for their choice to use performance enhancing substances.

This is just my opinion, but I think there is a lot to it. People tend to go where they are comfortable, and users are not treated well on this board particularly when compared with the treatment they get on the other boards.

Also, most of the guys on the anabolic board are hardcore bodybuilders, and are not generally particularly interested in increasing their ability to move heavy objects or compete in other sports, so much as they are to improve their ranking in the next meet. The ones over there who are not hardcore BBers are often aspiring to be so.

Just my 2 cents on the subject.

B.

 

[aurelius]

You can look at a guy in the gym and sometimes the biggest and strongest guy there has a bad diet, terrible form, poor exercise selection and so on.

THis is true in my gym except the biggest and strongest guys who don´t really know what they are doing got big and strong using steroids, not lifting.

Someone mentioned "clean freaks." Haven´t really noticed that many here myself.

 

[Thaibox]

There are several gear users on this board. This simply isn't the place to discuss the topic. The boards are topic specific. So, since there isn't gear discussions on the "training" board, it doesn't mean there aren't users here.

To the few that made the comments about steroid users......
those are the kind of close minded blanket comments that aren't welcome here. I'm not going to disrespect Needsize's thread by saying anything else about it



btw NS, good thread

 

[HansNZ]

I've been an EF user for some time now and I haven't spent much time on the training forum. I tend to discuss ny workouts with people face to face at my gym, so there is no real need to do so here.

In contrast I do not have the same freedom to discuss steroids at my gym. In general the guys who I know who use them don't know much about them. As a result I spend most of my time when on EF on the anabolic forum.

When I used to get tired of the same old posts on the anabolic forum I used to visit the chat forum. I don't go there now because I got hounded off by the idiots over there - the worst of whom don't even seem to go to the gym. The inmates have taken over the asylum it seems.

 

[b fold the truth]

HansNZ: Stick around man...if you aren't looking for training advice...we always appreciate getting some.

B True

 

[needsize]

HansNZ: Stick around man...if you aren't looking for training advice...we always appreciate getting some.

B True

Exactly, considering what goes on on the chat board, it's the biggest waste of bandwidth I've ever seen, stay here and help us out bro

 

[aurelius]

I've been an EF user for some time now and I haven't spent much time on the training forum. I tend to discuss ny workouts with people face to face at my gym, so there is no real need to do so here.

In contrast I do not have the same freedom to discuss steroids at my gym. In general the guys who I know who use them don't know much about them. As a result I spend most of my time when on EF on the anabolic forum.

When I used to get tired of the same old posts on the anabolic forum I used to visit the chat forum. I don't go there now because I got hounded off by the idiots over there - the worst of whom don't even seem to go to the gym. The inmates have taken over the asylum it seems.

Now now. Things get retarded over there but by all means keep dropping in. I need something to keep me interested.

take care

 

[nikkita]

I guess that an AS user will come here to discuss training not other related matters refering to AS because it is most likely that they don't even get the responses they are looking for. I enter various several boards women, diet, spanish, anabolic... and of course training... and every board is different in regard to the issues that concern us the most, the responses and of course the perspective and knowledge of people.

 

[gilly6993]

Ingram, it seems that most steriod users concentrate on drugs rather then their training and diet. Thats all they ever seem to want to talk about. If they spent half as much time on their training as they did figuring out their next cycle, I think they would be way better off.

That's complete bullshit.....many AAS users (myself included) have been traing for many years and most know what the hell we are doing in and out of the gym, training and diet included....drugs only take you so far, if you don't have the diet and training regimen the drugs won't do shit for you......Most of us have other things do and my limited time spent here is on the Anabolic board because that's where I learn the most.......

 

[thelegacy]

Ingram, it seems that most steriod users concentrate on drugs rather then their training and diet. Thats all they ever seem to want to talk about. If they spent half as much time on their training as they did figuring out their next cycle, I think they would be way better off.

Bro im a user and that is offensive and just plain ignorant---obviously you hang out with abercrombie and fitch high schoolers who use to be cool so thats all they talk about.... users dont talk about use openly because most of them are so damn big if they said anything openly everyone would be breathing down their necks. as a user no one clean can hang with me in my gym at all!!! Bro steroids are about 15% of weight gain-----first is diet then training and sleep-------get a little knowledge before you start mouthing and sounding like a 16 yr old.

 

[b fold the truth]

gilly6993 and thelegacy: I think what "HAZ" is trying to say is partly correct...if you read that he said "most". It is not a fact for everyone...but I do believe that it is true for a lot of people on Elite...especially the anabolic board. A lot of the "goofballs" that I meet on a daily basis have no idea about AAS or how to really train. You two seem to be the exceptions, as well as several other members on this board...

Please, lets keep a calm head about everyone's posts...I'm trying also.

B True

 

[needsize]

gilly6993 and thelegacy: I think what "HAZ" is trying to say is partly correct...if you read that he said "most". It is not a fact for everyone...but I do believe that it is true for a lot of people on Elite...especially the anabolic board. A lot of the "goofballs" that I meet on a daily basis have no idea about AAS or how to really train. You two seem to be the exceptions, as well as several other members on this board...

Please, lets keep a calm head about everyone's posts...I'm trying also.

B True

i don't know if you saw the post on the anabolic forum about this thread, seems like a lot of the comments posted here were definitely taken the wrong way.
But at the same time, i do agree with HAZ's comment to a degree. There are a ton of lazy bastards on the anabolic forum that want to be huge, but don't want to put in any leg work as a natural trainer first, or learn anything about nutrition and training. I feel nothing but contempt for those guys as they're missing out on what the sport means to a lot of us. That being said, I do use steroids. But after 10+ years of busting my ass naturally and capping out my natural size years ago, I have more than earned the right to use them to take my body to the next level!!!

 

[aurelius]

So training naturally gives one the "right" to use later?

Someone wrote that without the training and diet steroids don´t do shit. You know nothing.

 

[b fold the truth]

So training naturally gives one the "right" to use later?

Someone wrote that without the training and diet steroids don´t do shit. You know nothing.

Who are you directiing those comments to?

B True

 

[JOKER47]

So training naturally gives one the "right" to use later?

Someone wrote that without the training and diet steroids don´t do shit. You know nothing.

No, you have the "right" to use any drugs you want to at anytime. How they enhance your performance in the gym is up to training and diet. I am living proof of that.


.02,
Joker

 

[Haz]

Hey guys, I didn't mean to insult any steroid user. I know most of you guys know your shit. Its those 160 lb kids who juice, and don't know fuck all about training and eating that I was talking about. I guess I shouldn't have written that "most" steriod uses concentrate on drugs. More like "some" act that way.

 

[Thaibox]

Someone wrote that without the training and diet steroids don´t do shit. You know nothing.

Ummm.....

Anyway, how did a decent thread by NS about the quality of the training forum turn into this crap?

 

[THE BOUNCER]

some of you guys crack me up, how little you know!

 

[Ingram]

some of you guys crack me up, how little you know!

Teach us

 

[THE BOUNCER]

Teach us

was that a little sarcasm i noticed?

 

[b fold the truth]

I think that everyone welcomes opinions...especially those from large amounts of research and experience.

B True

 

[Japanese machine]

I was thinking about this forum today, so bear with me if it comes out a little jumbled.

We have a great forum here. The regular crowd that hangs here is knowlegable, but at the same time willing to learn from others, a rare combo. There is kind of a clique here, but I don't know that it is a negative thing. On that chat board, there is a clique of the regulars that don't seem very friendly to newcomers or people that don't think the same way as thier "cool crowd" does. I find it different here, as membership to the clique is open to anyone who either demonstrates aquired knowlege about the game, and/or comes here willing to learn (we all had to start somewhere and no one knows it all).

Moderation on this forum in kind of a new thing, but for the most part, not necessary as it's a good group of people that hang here, that also watches out for those that come here to learn. So when asswipes drift over from other forums, they either got with the program, why we're all here, or they found themselves pretty unwelcome.

This karama thing; I'm no karma whore, frankly I could care less. But I noticed that with some exceptions (ie, corn), the people with the most karma are the ones that contribute the least amount of useful info to elite as a whole. Why not use it the way it was meant to be, and when someone posts a good point here, even if you don't agree with it, throw some karma at them for sharing their info.

great post.

yeah bro this training section is awesome, alot of commeradere. I honestly wish i could meet people like you in the "real world" some of you fuckers motivate the shit outta, whether by posting pics or dedication wise.

Sometimes when i feel isolated from the rest of the population due to my goals and such, coming here definatly helps ease the stress, knowing that people go through all the media/society bullshit that you do.

again great thread NS.

 

[Ingram]

was that a little sarcasm i noticed?

Heh, maybe...

Bottom line is it'd be nice to have more people in here sharing info.

 

[vinylgroover]

I am a regular over at bodybuilding.com where there is far greater comeraderie between board members which leads to more useful and productive discussion. Sure, it's a far more bodybuilding specific site than Elite, but there is just too much bitching going on here, particularly involving steroid vs natural conflicts.

I don't use steroids myslef, but i do get turned off somewhat by the explicit and implicit reference to steroids that pervade this whole discussion board, therefore i don't get as involved in the training forum as i would like to.

Having said that, i am willing to support any attempt at making the training board a more useful and valuable exchange of information.

 

[aurelius]

Who are you directiing those comments to?

B True

That was for gilly6993. If he means to say that merely using steroids has no effect on your muscles (bigger and stronger) unless you have some specific training and diet regimen he has no idea what he´s talking about. I know very little about steroids but even I know this fact. IT´S NO SECRET.

 

[b fold the truth]

That was for gilly6993. If he means to say that merely using steroids has no effect on your muscles (bigger and stronger) unless you have some specific training and diet regimen he has no idea what he´s talking about. I know very little about steroids but even I know this fact. IT´S NO SECRET.

I don't think that anyone is doubting you on this issue at all. I don't think that he meant it that way either...

B True

 

[lemur]

the problem with aurelius's comments is, the users whom he WAS referring to ignore him, and the users whom he WASN'T referring to take offense.

I think joker has the best reasoning here, they don't really talk about training because their training is sound. for the most part, the guys at the anabolic board have been training a long time, and don't need to go back and talk about training all the time.

aurelius, I may have misunderstood your comments, but muscles don't grow by themselves. different roids do different things, but they don't magically double your bench or triple your bicep size without the necessary diet and training. IMO they just allow you to push yourself harder after you've got the aformentioned under control.

just my 0.02$

 

[b fold the truth]

And we are going to make this a better forum by....

We need some good reference sticky posts on this board...Nominations?

B True

 

[aurelius]

aurelius, I may have misunderstood your comments, but muscles don't grow by themselves. Hmmm...Possibly troublesome statement. different roids do different things, but they don't magically double your bench or triple your bicep size without the necessary diet and training. I didn´t mean that. IMO they just allow you to push yourself harder after you've got the aformentioned under control.