So what's with US's quick shift on Iran?

[Razorguns]

From 'Axis of Evil' to 'Hey let's talk!' and 'oh let's move our troops now to Afghanistan instead'.

Could this have anything to do with it?

TEHRAN, July 13 (RIA Novosti) -- Russian energy giant Gazprom [RTS: GAZP] and Iran's Ministry of Petroleum will sign on Sunday a memorandum of cooperation in the oil and gas sphere, an Iranian deputy oil minister said.

"Interaction between Iran and Russia in all spheres and especially in the energy sphere is very wide. We expect to further broaden this cooperation in the future," Hossein Noghrehkar Shirazi said.

Shirazi said a series of discussions would precede the signing of the cooperation memorandum.

Iran ranks fourth in terms of crude reserves after Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait, as well as fourth in terms of oil production after Saudi Arabia, the United States and Russia. Iran's proven gas reserves total more than 28 trillion cubic meters.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080713/113855321.html

Attack Iran, you're also attacking Russia. Dollar go bye-bye. Can't have that.

As a soldier, you have go to be confused on who really hates us. It changes every freakin' day.

r

 

[Arabian]

I would hope that our Governement would try and elimante another war over there and for once grow up and let the other countries deal with these adolescenes. IMO we should be taking care of our own and get out of that region... yesterday.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I hope Obama wins and he tried talking to them to stop nuke production.

It didn't work for Hitler, Stalin, North Korea and so on. This time is DIFFERENT though!

Obama in '08!!

BTW - the real reason why there will not be an attack before the election is (1) Bush doesn't want any more negative publicity for the Republicans (2) if McCain loses then it is Obama's problem and he will screw it up which is good for the Republicans (3) if McCain wins Iran gets bombed.

 

[EnderJE]

This is what I find very funny and sad at the same time.

 

[needtogetarmy]

Also, Jindal is a 20-1 odds pick as VP.

I dropped $100 on him hoping to win $2,000.

Jindal!

(not that it has anything to do with this thread)

 

[Razorguns]

North Korea, no it's Iran, not it's Afghanistan, no it's Osama, no it's Saddam, no it's Fidel, no it's Khadaffi, no it's Chavez, no it's Terrorists through the mexican border, no it's Terrorist Cells throughout Europe, no it's Saudis, no it's Somalis, no it's Communists in Vietnam, no it's Communists in Hollywood.

Someone should make a database and send daily emails to soldiers and citizens on who is our enemy today.

r

 

[pin]

North Korea, no it's Iran, not it's Afghanistan, no it's Osama, no it's Saddam, no it's Fidel, no it's Khadaffi, no it's Chavez, no it's Terrorists through the mexican border, no it's Terrorist Cells throughout Europe, no it's Saudis, no it's Somalis, no it's Communists in Vietnam, no it's Communists in Hollywood.

Someone should make a database and send daily emails to soldiers and citizens on who is our enemy today.

r

Frightened people are easier to control.

 

[binö]

I would hope that our Governement would try and elimante another war over there and for once grow up and let the other countries deal with these adolescenes. IMO we should be taking care of our own and get out of that region... yesterday.

the problem is imo, is that no one wants to deal with it.
it's like a 500lb gorrilla (islamic extremisim) that no one wants to fuck with...the stakes are too high to ignore it imo, with nuclear disaster the consequence of silence

 

[pin]

the problem is imo, is that no one wants to deal with it.
it's like a 500lb gorrilla (islamic extremisim) that no one wants to fuck with...the stakes are too high to ignore it imo, with nuclear disaster the consequence of silence

Maybe a nuclear disaster is what it will take for the liberals to put their heads out of their asses and wake up.

 

[binö]

Maybe a nuclear disaster is what it will take for the liberals to put their heads out of their asses and wake up.

so many similiarties between this and euro germany appeasement

 

[javaguru]

The Iranian people are probably the most progressive in the region.

 

[binö]

The Iranian people are probably the most progressive in the region.

towards other religions?

 

[EnderJE]

so many similiarties between this and euro germany appeasement

lmao....right....totally the same....

 

[binö]

lmao....right....totally the same....

nice response please expain why

 

[javaguru]

towards other religions?

Towards Western values.

 

[EnderJE]

nice response please expain why

What about 'totally the same' did you not understand?

That said, I find it too easy to over generalize the problem. Don't you?

Radical muslims = death camps from Germany
Neoconservatives = Rich people who don't give a fuck about poor people
Liberals = Rich people who pretend to give a fuck about poor people
McCain = A rich man who will send troops to die at a whim and cackle at it
Obama = A black teenager who wants to be everyone's friend
The rest of the world = Who cares?

BTW, who do you know who is a radical muslim? Ever ask them why?

 

[binö]

nice response please expain why

here is why i think so, refute if you disagree
-fanatical government (socialism/islamiscism)
-euro governments that same largely aloof
-a powerful military and threats to use it

 

[EnderJE]

here is why i think so, refute if you disagree
-fanatical government (socialism/islamiscism)
-euro governments that same largely aloof
-a powerful military and threats to use it

Wow. Then North Korea are like the Germans. So are some countries in South Africa. You're right. They're all the same.

 

[javaguru]

What about 'totally the same' did you not understand?

That said, I find it too easy to over generalize the problem. Don't you?

Radical muslims = death camps from Germany
Neoconservatives = Rich people who don't give a fuck about poor people
Liberals = Rich people who pretend to give a fuck about poor people
McCain = A rich man who will send troops to die at a whim and cackle at it
Obama = A black teenager who wants to be everyone's friend
The rest of the world = Who cares?

BTW, who do you know who is a radical muslim? Ever ask them why?

I would say religion, the poverty connect posed by bleeding hearts has been disproven.

 

[binö]

What about 'totally the same' did you not understand?

That said, I find it too easy to over generalize the problem. Don't you?

Radical muslims = death camps from Germany
Neoconservatives = Rich people who don't give a fuck about poor people
Liberals = Rich people who pretend to give a fuck about poor people
McCain = A rich man who will send troops to die at a whim and cackle at it
Obama = A black teenager who wants to be everyone's friend
The rest of the world = Who cares?

BTW, who do you know who is a radical muslim? Ever ask them why?

yeah i'm becoming more and more familiar of why and who radical muslims are
thru reading a few good books, one by sam harris and one by richard dawkins.
imo, copied from their viewpoints, islamisicm is the biggest threat to worldwide peace

 

[EnderJE]

I would say religion, the poverty connect posed by bleeding hearts has been disproven.

So you've asked, eh? Pretty brave for a white man.

My guy told me something else. But then again, what does he know.

 

[EnderJE]

yeah i'm becoming more and more familiar of why and who radical muslims are
thru reading a few good books, one by sam harris and one by richard dawkins.
imo, copied from their viewpoints, islamisicm is the biggest threat to worldwide peace

How many have you talked to? Why not just ask them?

 

[binö]

Wow. Then North Korea are like the Germans. So are some countries in South Africa. You're right. They're all the same.

i said similiar, you keep on repeating the same
north korea is a completely different animal fueled by much different ideology, that, imo, is much less of a threat than islamiscism and in particular iran

 

[binö]

How many have you talked to? Why not just ask them?

lol, bro you are just looking to talk shit
i get the impression you don't like me or my opinions, so just let it go i'm not going to fire back in a similiar smart ass fashion

 

[EnderJE]

i said similiar, you keep on repeating the same
north korea is a completely different animal fueled by much different ideology, that, imo, is much less of a threat than islamiscism and in particular iran

Wait a sec. You gave three points that could apply to the others. How are they not similiar?

You think that Iran is a threat?

 

[EnderJE]

lol, bro you are just looking to talk shit
i get the impression you don't like me or my opinions, so just let it go i'm not going to fire back in a similiar smart ass fashion

lmao...what are you talking about? I like you.

My question stands. Who have you talked to?

I tend to view some opinions on here as second hand. I see some people just go off on a topic with no prior experience. I see you differently.

The people that I've talked to tell me a different story about radicalism. They're a small microcausm, but they scare me nontheless.

 

[javaguru]

So you've asked, eh? Pretty brave for a white man.

My guy told me something else. But then again, what does he know.

Bro, Osama is from one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia...the 9/11 hijackers were well educated professionals....when was the las time a tent dwelling Palestinian blew up something US related?

 

[binö]

Wait a sec. You gave three points that could apply to the others. How are they not similiar?

You think that Iran is a threat?

i don't think the pop is behind king jong ill with the same amount of fervor as iranians are behind islamisicm and spreading their religion.
and i think islamisicm is a threat, a major one.
lol at me, make smartass comments, but my opinion is not gonna change on this

 

[binö]

lmao...what are you talking about? I like you.

My question stands. Who have you talked to?

I tend to view some opinions on here as second hand. I see some people just go off on a topic with no prior experience. I see you differently.

The people that I've talked to tell me a different story about radicalism. They're a small microcausm, but they scare me nontheless.

meh, i don't think i'd ever have the chance to really talk to a "radical" heart to heart.
believe me i'd like to
but my knowledge is driven from books, written by reputable sources and not some racist dribble.
i read a lot of history books, and i've never met any of the characters, but i feel that i have a good feel for a lot of them, like alexander or frederick for example.

 

[EnderJE]

i don't think the pop is behind king jong ill with the same amount of fervor as iranians are behind islamisicm and spreading their religion.
and i think islamisicm is a threat, a major one.
lol at me, make smartass comments, but my opinion is not gonna change on this

Personally, I don't see the Iranians as a threat. They're progressive as others have said. That said, I see others radical muslims as a threat. I'm thinking of the ones closer. It's almost as if the whole cult of personality has taken over some splinter faction of the group. Like I keep saying, I'll respect the religion alot more when ONE FUCKING muslim leader speaks out against the violence publicly.

 

[EnderJE]

meh, i don't think i'd ever have the chance to really talk to a "radical" heart to heart.
believe me i'd like to
but my knowledge is driven from books, written by reputable sources and not some racist dribble.
i read a lot of history books, and i've never met any of the characters, but i feel that i have a good feel for a lot of them, like alexander or frederick for example.

There's a couple of people around me who know people and know temples. I went to one to help me understand. I spent some time and still don't understand.

I saw what they're preaching about as a zero sum game.

 

[binö]

There's a couple of people around me who know people and know temples. I went to one to help me understand. I spent some time and still don't understand.

I saw what they're preaching about as a zero sum game.

i highly suggest reading end of faith by sam harris for some good incite into the darkness of christianity and islam.
i'd love to explain my feelings better but i'm just articulate enough on the comp.

 

[EnderJE]

All that said, the scary ones for me are:
Russia
North Korea
Muslim Radicals
Fat Chicks in g-strings
Standing between HR and cake

 

[Razorguns]

All that said, the scary ones for me are:
Russia
North Korea
Muslim Radicals
Fat Chicks in g-strings
Standing between HR and cake

I've been advocating a War on Fat Chicks for god knows how long.

r

 

[GoldenDelicious]

all of this saber rattling is bullshit

it doesnt matter who goes to war or when, the same thing happens - the people in power make money, while the average man loses - and these days, the average man loses freedoms along with money

until people all over the world in all countries look towards the people who are pulling their strings and say "fuck off" then theyll continue to be used

war = one group of poor men trying to kill another group of poor men, while the rich in either nation sit back and make $

 

[the_oak]

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'