So...what should I do????

[Aries13]

So, my very good friend and training partner is doing some things that I know are wrong. She is 5'4", around 140lbs, 18%BF....she has been training for 6 years and really trains her as* off at the gym. I on the other hand have been weight lifting for only 6 months. We are both in the cutting stage right now and preparing for our contest. She recently told me that she has been cycling clen for quite some time.(I often wondered how she got that BF down so low with a poor diet).... I immediately asked her what else is she taking with it b.c I think that clen should be taken with taurine and potassium(correct me if I'm wrong). She refused to believe me and keeps saying that she is fine. The problem is that her diet is not 100% on track. She is eating things like slim-fast, protein bars, subway....raisins, peaches(canned),bread,jelly....while cutting? I may not be very experienced in body building, after all I just dicovered a love for weight lifting only 6 months ago. The point is that I research and LISTEN for advice, I am trying to get as educated as possible so that I can do this thing right for the rest of my life. I know that drugs should only be introduced with the most CAREFUL precision when you are ready. Her stats say that she is ready but I am worried about my friend ...at least in the long run. Her diet is lacking and clen by it self is not the best thing. I just dont know if I should give up or should I keep trying to help her. She is CONVINCED that clen has NO affects on your thyroid and your body in any negative way(although she has the -shakes- and bad cramping.....?....). I believe that in the long run it will catch up to her and her health will be jeapordized. Im just worried so Im curious about what you girls think I should do. Do I look the other way and keep my lips sealed or do I keep trying to help???

I dont know anymore...it just seems like there are too many young women who want that "miracle" drug----the easy way out. They dont research enough or do the other steps required to minimize sides.

 

[velvett]

Don't get involved.

Anyone remember pumpgirl?
She ate taco bell.

Ah well.

 

[Sassy69]

Pumpgirl also competes at the top of the National level in NPC. But she's also a years of experience, chemically enhanced gym fiend. Not even a worth-while comparison.

You can do non-judgemental things like shoot your friend a link to some clen profiles or some stuff online and she can chooose to read it or not. Unfortunately there are lots of people who are very cavalier about their use & beliefs about various drugs. There used to be this guy who trained a French Canadian national level competitor and was all natural, but the guy lived on ephedrine. I've experienced something comparable to "metabolic crash" on ephedrine, so the same beliefs & results do NOT apply predictably.

The important thing is that you stay focused on your progress. Her progress (or lackthereof) will show itself later. Not really much you can do about that, unless you can just take the approach of being a "newbie" and look at her like "I was told you need to be 100% tight on your diet if you want to make progress..."

 

[velvett]

Pumpgirl also competes at the top of the National level in NPC. But she's also a years of experience, chemically enhanced gym fiend. Not even a worth-while comparison.

I was being extremely sarcastic...
No comparison in sight.

I still stay mind your own business unless she specifically asks you something.

How many arguments have we seen on this very board that relate to one person's opinion or personal experience as to how things "should be" done verse someone else's experience or "opinion".

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I still stay mind your own business unless she specifically asks you something.

How many arguments have we seen on this very board that relate to one person's opinion or personal experience as to how things "should be" done verse someone else's experience or "opinion".

I second this.

ONLY "advice" I would give your fried is to tell her about this "really cool board where you can learn about fitness, supplementation, competing, and dieting" (here, obviously) and hope she signs up ..... a learns a couple things.

 

[Aries13]

I second this.

ONLY "advice" I would give your fried is to tell her about this "really cool board where you can learn about fitness, supplementation, competing, and dieting" (here, obviously) and hope she signs up ..... a learns a couple things.

Already tried that but she showed no interest. I guess I'll just look away and see what happens in the long run. It still sucks b/c I care about her but what can you do.

 

[Sassy69]

Its the strangest dynamic when you try to suggest a change to someone's regimen. Some people will stick to a process regardless of how well it works for them and just fight to not accept someone else's comments or suggestions.

This does go back to the discussion about what to do if you start getting input from more than one person on things like contest prep - do you stay w/ your trainer, try to appease both sources of input, toss the trainer or what? It can really add crazy stress to your own progress. Its hard to guarantee what works & what doesn't until the whole process is completed - but that's the nature of the sport - you are judged on the combination of what you were born with, what you worked to develop, how you developed and how you present it on stage.

It is also a very individual sport and only you can determine what works for you or the path to that result you choose to take, same goes for this girl. Who knows, maybe she is a freak of nature and that stuff does work for her -- but the important thing is to stay focused on yourself and maybe agree to disagree.

 

[scorpiogirl]

Let her do her own thing. You're just getting your first taste of this kind of thing. Sometimes it's really frustrating knowing someone isn't doing the right thing for their diet or whatever, but they will usually give you all the reasons in the world why they do it the way they do - right or not.

I've got a client who's lost 50 lbs so far using Weight Watchers. She doesn't train AT ALL other than cardio ..... but no matter what I say, she's seeing results (for now), and so she's not concerned with how I've tried to help her. When she stalls out, she'll be asking questions.

I also refer everyone with diet or training questions here. Some check it out, some don't. The one's who don't will be forever searching....

 

[Miss24k]

I agree with Velvett, just mind your business, unless she starts talking to you about the things she is doing. It is her life and her decisions to do whatever she wants with her body, so stay out of it, unless she asks you opinion or brings it up to you.

There's nothing worse than someone giving unasked for advice. I know you only want to help her because you care about her and she's your friend, so don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. Alot of people do not like being told what they are doing is wrong, when they didn't ask for anyone's 2 cents.

 

[*Bunny*]

You are a sweetheart and a good friend to want to help her.

Maybe she is the type of person where the only way for her to learn from her mistakes is to make them ... I agree with the others, stay out of it for now ...