So I was doing deads like Ronnie Coleman in his video ...

[sk*]

Weights seemed to go up lately but I asked this PT in the gym to help me on my form and he told me to keep my butt lower when coming down and also said there is no point in pulling your back backwards at the top of the movement. He is a skinny old guy but he knows what he is doing at least by textbook.

Since I am mostly interested in improving my lower back strength while doing deads, should I worry about putting my ass all the way down or keep doing it the way ronnie does it?

He also told me there is no point in moving your shoulders backwards and "stretching" your lower back at the end of the movement as it does nothing. Suggestions?

Thanks guys.

-sk

 

[CipherLock]

I think he is talking about not bothering to lock it back. I read on T-Mag a while back that when training for reps the lock out doesn't offer a benefit.

It went on to say something about it only being a sign of completition of the lift for the judges.

???

Just what I read...

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

Ever notice how your second rep is WAY easier than your first?

For ME, I try to stay as HIGH as I can prior to ripping the bar up. For instance, I pull sumo but my style is to slowly lower down til my hands can get just enough bar in them and them - BAMM! The pull starts. I have found that staying as high as possible keeps my form as tight as possible.

 

[IronLion]

DO NOT lean back at the end of the rep...if you are using even moderate weight you can seriously hurt yourself...I know because I did. The lift is complete when the back is straight and so are the legs, if you are interested in lower back strength then consider some stiff leg dl or some good mornings in combination with regular deads

 

[spatts]

Agreed...no need to hyperextend and put pressure on the back. it's 2-3 wasted inches of travel that can only serve to harm over time.

Seems like evertimes I hear someone bitching about hip flexor pain, in relation to deads, this is the issue.

 

[sk*]

Agreed...no need to hyperextend and put pressure on the back. it's 2-3 wasted inches of travel that can only serve to harm over time.

Seems like evertimes I hear someone bitching about hip flexor pain, in relation to deads, this is the issue.

Damn, good thing I asked the old man otherwise I would have been doing what ronnie does till someone corrected me.

What do you think about the part when ronnie doesn't lower his ass to parallel with the ground? When I kept doing that like the PT said all it seemed to do was nothing and just an extra movement.

When doing DL's, I have already been told that my legs hold the weight more than easilly but my lower back is what gives out.

Thanks.

-sk

 

[spatts]

I don't go parallel in a conventional dead. Some do. Whatever works, I suppose.

 

[spatts]

Cipher, you can lock out without locking back. In PL terms, locking it out is just being able to hold it with control at the top. If you pull it then fall backwards you don't really have control. Pull, show control in an upright posisition, lower. That's locking out the deadlift, to me.

 

[jeremys]

Agreed...no need to hyperextend and put pressure on the back. it's 2-3 wasted inches of travel that can only serve to harm over time.

Seems like evertimes I hear someone bitching about hip flexor pain, in relation to deads, this is the issue.

my chiropractor explained this to me yesterday. people who hyperextend at the end of the lift compress nerve openings which, over time, compress and can cause some pretty bad damage. just keeping the shoulders back is enough to even get your lifts passed in a meet

 

[spatts]

I keep my shoulders rounded forward. Decreases the ROM. I believe "lockout" is demonstrated by the hips.