Sign of overtraining?

[Legion Kreinak]

Hey all, I was wondering if maybe I'm overtraining. I normally worked out every other day, a full-body routine. When going to do my normal routine today, my first workout happened to be the military press (I was in that mood) and I stretched and warmed up properly and everything. After using the weight I normally use for my 3 sets/12 reps, I felt my muscles ache after the end of my first set. I never feel much of anything until the 2nd set's completion and was wondering if I'm possibly overtraining?

 

[The Shadow]

fatigue
accelerated heart rate
general malaise
loss of appetite
poor sleep

....more than 2 of those and you are over doing it

 

[Greek Freak]

You need to change your split. Cornholio gave a pretty good list of all the symptoms. Also you will see you could lose weight/plateu and you wont be making any gains in the gym. Very general training routines (upper body/lower body) are only good if your working out like 3 days a week.

 

[Scaggs]

EOD Full body routine and your not on gear? I would say your overtraining. First sign I find when I overtrain is the loss of motivation and aggression. Then the fatigue and constant tiredness everyday when i get home from work. If you have to close your eyes before a training day and relax a bit...or somewhat dread the thought of your routine.... stop and take a few days off. don't risk the injury. then cut some things out. a few less sets maybe or a few less exercises. see what works. you have to figure out what your body can handle.. i wouldn't do full body either... seperate your muscle groups, like back one day, legs another, arms another etc.

are you trying to build mass or just burn calories?

me personally i couldn't do a full body workout EOD working at full intensity. Just my OP

Scaggs

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Hm, I guess I'm trying to burn calories and build some strength, but mass is the furthest thing from my goal. A lil' more wouldn't bother me, but otherwise it's just strengthening for me. I don't personally like doing the SL Deadlift, the only muscle groups I actually enjoy working at biceps, triceps, abdominals, quads, calves, and chest. Forget back and hams, they piss me off. I may try doing only inclined bench because flat sort of develops tits, heh. I worked with flat for three months without doing inclined my I'm out of proportion now and look like I'm in need of a training bra. I guess I'll do inclined only until I go back into proportion, then make sure to do them both equally.

 

[kronk]

Once you hit "Ice Ice baby" on your CD track, you know you are over training.

 

[Scaggs]

Once you hit "Ice Ice baby" on your CD track, you know you are over training.

HAHHAHAHHAHAH

But Legion Kreinak, you can't neglect the back, you still need some sort of synergy. the best thing you can do in the gym is make your most hated exercise your favorite. if you can do that, you'll win. If size isn't an issue then maybe you could stay on your routine, but cut some sets out or some exercises. then see how you respond. sometimes your strength will actually go up by doing less. Trust me i've seen it first hand in my squat and leg press.

Scaggs

 

[gettinlarger]

Forget back and hams, they piss me off.

WHAAAAT?!?!

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Ya' heard me. I never feel that the BO Row did much anyways, it's just a bothersome part of my routine. As are the SL Deadlifts. To hell with them I say. To hell.

 

[erickthegreat11]

Usually when I know I'm not doing too much, I probably didn't eat enough food before the work out. Eat a meal: a potato, sandwich, etc. Body needs carbs, sugars, etc. to work out. Makes a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, difference! Wait 45 min to 1 hour after you eat to make sure the stuff you ate is already doin' its thing.

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Holy shit, you're right I wasn't overtraining. It's more because I'm an idiot and:

1) Worked out Tuesday early morning at like 1 AM because I came home so late. I tried to workout this morning at 10 AM after eating, guess, a bag of potato stix because we're poor and I had no food! =D Plus I didn't get and sleep last night, not to mention I didn't even wait 48 hours ANYWAY.

2) Practiced an hour in my backyard earlier today at like 4 AM (I'm a night person) with my staff katas. Apparently that drained alot of energy.

3) Stumbling into everything and hitting into my walls with my shoulders probably didn't help the muscles!

Well then, I feel much better knowing I wasn't overtraining. It didn't make sense to me anyway, I mean I usually get adequate sleep, and eat right. But I didn't do EITHER of those. No wonder why. ^^;

 

[louden_swain]

When I am overtrained my symptoms include: the inability to concentrate, loss of appetite, nausea, nervousness, frequent muscle spasms, and joints that ache. to remedy this, I usually take some time off and make modifications with diet and rest.

 

[b fold the truth]

Bo Staff huh...my favorite. I think I still have a link of me doing mine from a few years ago on my site...

Gotta train back and hams man...strength muscles.

B True

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Ah, B visits my post. I bow graciously. =P

Yes, the Bo/Staff is my favorite. Range and overall cool maneuvers. I would use a sword but, sort of illegal and dangerous. I have practiced with my kitchen knives since I was 12 though, can brandish the thing likt you wouldn't believe without cutting myself.

Hey B, the thing is, I never feel like it's doing my any good with the SL Deadlift and BO Row, so I figure I'd cut them out of my routine. I don't want to use a heavier weight though in case it hurts my back. I don't think it's that the weight is too light, but am I supposed to feel my lower back being "sore" the next day after SL Deadlifts? Or will it not work like the other muscles?

 

[b fold the truth]

My back rarely ever gets sore...but it still grows. I think that it is one of those muscles that does not get sore easily yet will still grow. It supports your body 24/7 so it is used to a high volume of work as it is. Just my theory.

You don't have to do the sl deadlift...pick another ham exercise...maybe the goodmorning!!! For the back...do some chins, pull ups, seated pulley row (one of my favorites), etc...or do a super set/giant set of all of them...

As far as overtraining goes...I feel like I am there RIGHT NOW!!!

B True

 

[Legion Kreinak]

The Good Morning, gotta go see what that is. To www.exrx.net I go! ^^

Chins n Pulls work bis n tris too though, besides the lats right?

 

[b fold the truth]

Yes...just as rows do. The bench press also works the triceps, shoulders, lats, lower back, etc...

B True

 

[Legion Kreinak]

Hm, the SL Deads look to be my best bet since it's a compound, rather than the goodmorning. I get hams and lower back worked. The only reason I'm deciding to do it again though is because I hear if you have an imbalance between the quads and hams, you can have a better chance of a pulled hamstring in the future. Dunno if it's true or not.

Now I just need a good enough reason to bother working my back. I don't see any negatives in NOT working it.

 

[gettinlarger]

Now I just need a good enough reason to bother working my back. I don't see any negatives in NOT working it.

Wait 5 years. Then get back to us. Then explain to us why you're one freaky looking dude.

Not meant to be a flame or anything. Just trying to help out bro. Perhaps an analogy? Back :: Body is like Foundation :: Building. Get it?

 

[b fold the truth]

You ask for advice and it is given to you...then you go back to your original thoughts...with nothing changed...

B True

 

[Legion Kreinak]

I took the advice into account, looked at the good morning and just recently found out about the possibility to injuring hams without training them enough, so with that new information I decided it was a good idea to train them from the start. And of course, compound exercises are the best bet I would think, no?

 

[louden_swain]

Legion Kreinak,

You must train back!! You don't want to be one of those guys who looks great from the front, but when you turn around you look like a joke. Training your back will help strengthen your entire body. It is super rare to find someone who has a good back. I truly believe if you cannot feel the muscles in your back working. . . you are not training them properly. You must first learn to feel the muscles working in your back before you start training. This is called the mind to muscle connection. Once you can learn how to contract the muscles in your back, then it is time to start adding weight. The same applies to training hamstrings. Here is a good routine to start:

Deadlifts 1warmup x 12 then 3 x 6
Barbell Rows - 3 x 8
Chins - 3 x failure
Barbell Shrugs - 3 x 8

Also train hams!! You need hamstring strength to assist you with squatting.

For mass:

Stiff Leg Deads are excellent
For isolation stick with lying leg curls

 

[JOKER47]

fatigue
accelerated heart rate
general malaise
loss of appetite
poor sleep

....more than 2 of those and you are over doing it

I had 4 of these. Wasn't sure if it was due to stress or overtraining, but I think it was combination of both. I have been taking this week off. It's Wednesday now, and already my appetite is returning, I am sleeping a little better and some more energy during the day.

I hate taking time off, but I think I needed it.


Joker