Should I be Disturbed About This?

[Nelson Montana]

I see there are a lot of new members here. GREAT! EF is an awesome community and the best place to go to get information on all aspects of bodybuilding.

As far as steroid enhancement goes, I think it's terrific that people are asking questions. But I have to admit, I'm a bit dismayed by some of the questions I'm reading.

It seems as if there's a slew of new guys who really don't know anything at all about steroids and arent really willing to learn -- they just want to start using them and ask along the way what to do, what to expect, how to avoid this and that. Guys...this is stuff you should research for months, even years before you even consider a cycle.

Another thing that's disheartening is that it seems a lot of these guys don't know much about training. They figure they'll learn that along the way -- while they're using gear. Once again -- wrong song. You got the horse before the cart. Or, if you prefer, you're putting on the condom after you finished fucking.

Stick around. Remain curious. Be inquisitive. But this "I just got 10 vials of sus -- how do I use it?" type of shit is not what we're about. It's not what I'm about, at least.

Here at EF, we're committed to the pirsuit of a better body and looking and feeling better than the average joe. If you just want to be a little more buffed, hit the gym and bust your ass. We have a great training forum here. If you want a little edge, check out the supplements forum. But the anabolics forum is serious. Don't try to graduate medical school before finishing high school. Nobody moves on without their diploma.

Rant...done. Peace.

 

[46and2]

Great post Nelson. I read one the other day (might have been a different board) where the poster had just gotten X pills of whatever-drol and Y ml of something else and was wondering how to use it. Why the fuck would you buy something and not know how to use it?

 

[Zyglamail]

Another thing that's disheartening is that it seems a lot of these guys don't know much about training.

I was just thinking the same thing, all sorts of 20 year old guys >5'9" 180lbs or less want to jump on the sauce. Im baffled how none of them can get to at least 200 if not 220+ naturally within a few years of training.

 

[RADAR]

I agree Nelson, the questions i'm asked are along the same line, also you can tell by reading their thread that they have little to no experience!

 

[Sub-Zero]

if i could be 220 ripped naturally... lol

 

[Nelson Montana]

if i could be 220 ripped naturally... lol

That may not be possible for everyone. It's not for me! But is it too much to ask for some guy to break 170 or get below 25% bf before juicing?

 

[Dedic8ed 1]

That may not be possible for everyone. It's not for me! But is it too much to ask for some guy to break 170 or get below 25% bf before juicing?

Lol I'm new to this board and was wondering the same thing. In my opinion I always thought you should get down to around 12-15% bodyfat before thinking about it ( which is why I'm not on ) but I see alot of post with 18% and more. I'm no expert just here learning (and doing alot of it )but that seems crazy to me. Just my .02

 

[Turbo4V]

I am new, but completely anal about what to do....lol. I can't pull the trigger cause everytime I decide I read another thread that changes my mind. I feel I am ready but it's just a ton of information to take in for me. I haven't done a cycle yet being 31 years old but it did surprise me the number if real young guys doing it.

 

[RADAR]

I am new, but completely anal about what to do....lol. I can't pull the trigger cause everytime I decide I read another thread that changes my mind. I feel I am ready but it's just a ton of information to take in for me. I haven't done a cycle yet being 31 years old but it did surprise me the number if real young guys doing it.

If you do a search & read alot of my posts you will learn alot!

 

[stevesmi]

its the "my friend does it so I want to do it too" type mentality.

one of my buddies used to be in a frat years ago in college and he juiced. the guy is 5 8 and 140 pounds dripping wet. his frat buddy was a Navy Seal so i guess he assumed juicing would make him look like his buddy.

the thing about this sport is that it is individual. you cannot point to someones picture and say you want to be like that. anyone who insults another members pics or looks at another members pic and thinks they will be like them if they just run the same cycle obviously is brainless about what this sport is all about.

 

[rouss]

I ask all sorts of questions , there just question. I ask questions about certaain steroids out of curiosity without any real plan of using that paticular one in the immiiate future

 

[Orly1115]

agree with you nelson

 

[Zyglamail]

if i could be 220 ripped naturally... lol

I wasnt implying ripped when I said 200 or 220, many people perform at their chosen task much better at 15% than they do <10%. I certainly wont fault someone for wanting to use AAS if they are 15-18% but then they should almost certainly be near 220lbs if the are 5'10 or taller and under 35 years old.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I wasnt implying ripped when I said 200 or 220, many people perform at their chosen task much better at 15% than they do <10%. I certainly wont fault someone for wanting to use AAS if they are 15-18% but then they should almost certainly be near 220lbs if the are 5'10 or taller and under 35 years old.

15-18% is my star bodyfat, in terms of mass and strength, although im sitting around 11 or 12% (or whatever i am in the avatar) and im liking it alot, and still putting up some of the best numbers iv ever done.

i feel so skinny in a shirt though hovering around 200 lol

 

[Stryker1992]

I see there are a lot of new members here. GREAT! EF is an awesome community and the best place to go to get information on all aspects of bodybuilding.

As far as steroid enhancement goes, I think it's terrific that people are asking questions. But I have to admit, I'm a bit dismayed by some of the questions I'm reading.

It seems as if there's a slew of new guys who really don't know anything at all about steroids and arent really willing to learn -- they just want to start using them and ask along the way what to do, what to expect, how to avoid this and that. Guys...this is stuff you should research for months, even years before you even consider a cycle.

Another thing that's disheartening is that it seems a lot of these guys don't know much about training. They figure they'll learn that along the way -- while they're using gear. Once again -- wrong song. You got the horse before the cart. Or, if you prefer, you're putting on the condom after you finished fucking.

Stick around. Remain curious. Be inquisitive. But this "I just got 10 vials of sus -- how do I use it?" type of shit is not what we're about. It's not what I'm about, at least.

Here at EF, we're committed to the pirsuit of a better body and looking and feeling better than the average joe. If you just want to be a little more buffed, hit the gym and bust your ass. We have a great training forum here. If you want a little edge, check out the supplements forum. But the anabolics forum is serious. Don't try to graduate medical school before finishing high school. Nobody moves on without their diploma.

Rant...done. Peace.

No bro.. you are spot on. all kinds of this lately and everyone is 18 to low 20's. It is insane. Apparently everyone the hits a Google button finds this place, which is very nice in many ways. i think the mature members here need to politely make sure that these people understand, get informed, and really do not get support in using. It is way too deleterious to their halth and most of them have not trained long enough nor completed growing naturally. It is scary.

 

[zedhed]

I agree Nelsone and all the rest. But it really makes me sad that this is the mentality not just here but everywhere. Here you have all these guyz that have no idea about what this stuff is. But they are willing to take some advice from who knows who and shoot some substance into themselves. That is what scares me so much. They just have no idea what kind of trouble that they can and so often do get into. Thats what keeps me patient with them all. To me that kind of damage potential is worth my (very limited) time to try talk some sense to them.

 

[Zyglamail]

i feel so skinny in a shirt though hovering around 200 lol

I hear ya, was 180lbs 12% when I graduated high school. Only once have I dropped below 220lbs, actually fell to 195lbs and it took (obviously stop working out) severe depression, eating once every 2 days and sleeping two hours a night for 6 months to get me there.

 

[jmat2407]

low 20's. It is insane. .

I gotta play devils advocate here for a second as I have seen a lot of guys in their 30's complain about guys in there 20's using gear.

From a well documented study average ng/dl of men age x were..

<25 692
25-29 669
30-34 621
35-39 597

So as you can see the average 34 year old isn't very far behind a 24 year old by any meens. Yet most would have no problems telling the 34 to go ahead and hop on a 500mg/week cycle that would send his ng/dl numbers to well over 2000. Which is many times beyond the 24 year olds level, the same level which in a different thread most would tell the 24 year old that his T levels are high enough to just train naturally and stay away from gear for now.

To sum it up its not so much the "high" test levels being the reason guys in the 20's shouldn't cycle as much as it is most have yet to build a solid foundation through a few years proper training and diet.

Just something to think about the next time you tell that half way in shape 18 % bf 34 y/o he has more right than the in shape 22 y/o to use gear simply because of his age and falsely assumed low test levels.

mmm playing devils advocate was fun.

Weight is subjective thing as well and deserves its own whole other rant. lol

 

[Essie]

If you do a search & read alot of my posts you will learn alot!

Hell ... I couldn't agree more!

 

[sterolizer]

Agreed with Montana. He couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Voijn]

I think its important to remember that those of us who see bodybuilding as a sport, are truely aware of that its more then a sport. It is a life style
Poeople that do sports, need to do sports to become better.

But when talking about bodybuilding or strength training, its more then doing the actual sport.
1. You got to eat right, depending on your goals you either bulk or cut / mentain
2. You follow a training regime, that has some kind of progression into it
3. You got to respekt your body, giving it time to recover by sleeping and resting enough
4. Supplements like vitamins - minerals + weightgainers + proteinpowder + kreatin ect. Might be a good start before going into using steroides
5. When every of following 1-4 are totally undercontrole and 100% you might be readdy to go use steroids

Rules of my oppinion:
You gotta learn the basics

Diet is key to success in this game, if you arent gaining without steroids your not going to gains with steroids. Diet must be good, and better when going on
knowing wich exercises and how they work, imo its stupid making 6exercises for a muscle so small as biceps.. by doing back you can actually smash em hard.. just my oppinion
Age; 21 and minimum have a good fundament for doing roids
3-4years of minimum training, longer is better.

 

[J Nicholas]

Well I don't really see why you should be so surprised. You see it all the time at the gym. Young dudes that never touched a weight till they bought some juice. Now they're gonna blow up on sauce with a bunch of temporary mass that looks weird because they only know like 3 exercises. Those guys are ALWAYS gone within a year. They were never bodybuilders to begin with and they'll just spend the rest of their days trying to tell people how big they used to be. I think that cases like that are actually in the majority. Its a small minority of us who lift because we love it, and don't need any inspiration to come in a vial. I'm not trying to be a hater, it just seems to me that those short timers greatly outnumber the serious lifters.

 

[stevesmi]

I think the sweet spot for men whes it comes to sex or bodybuilding is 30-40. seems like we've got the experience, the maturity, the resources to really take this sport seriously.

I think the perfect time to start juicing is the very late 20's.. like 28 area. then by the time you are in your 30's you are really able to push the limits. the young guys have to understand the avg age of Mr. Olympia is 34 years old. and there was a guy who won it in his mid 40's. so spend your 20's building a base.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I think the sweet spot for men whes it comes to sex or bodybuilding is 30-40. seems like we've got the experience, the maturity, the resources to really take this sport seriously.

I think the perfect time to start juicing is the very late 20's.. like 28 area. then by the time you are in your 30's you are really able to push the limits. the young guys have to understand the avg age of Mr. Olympia is 34 years old. and there was a guy who won it in his mid 40's. so spend your 20's building a base.

thats because they started gear at 20 and have a solid 10-20 years of lifting right, and using gear under their belts.

and im not just saying that to be an idiot and challenge this post lol. i agree that you need to have a solid foundation and have your diet and training in check.

do you think a 21 year old who has been training since they were 14 is more suited to use gear,

or a 28 year old who has lifted for a year or two?

 

[stevesmi]

for me i started lifting at 15 and didn't run my first cycle till 29. i had a very solid foundation and built up a lot of knowledge with nutrition etc.

most of us are not gonna compete, we are gym rats. most roid users that is. i have no desire to compete, i just want to look good and excell at this lifestyle

 

[Zyglamail]

I gotta play devils advocate here for a second as I have seen a lot of guys in their 30's complain about guys in there 20's using gear.

From a well documented study average ng/dl of men age x were..

<25 692
25-29 669
30-34 621
35-39 597

My stance has nothing to do with natty test levels and everything to do with time invested at the gym and learning about training and nutrition.

 

[Arabian]

I was just thinking the same thing, all sorts of 20 year old guys >5'9" 180lbs or less want to jump on the sauce. Im baffled how none of them can get to at least 200 if not 220+ naturally within a few years of training.

Absolutely, It always gets the worse this time of year , because they think they can magically inject muscle and in 8 weeks have a beach body.

 

[jmat2407]

My stance has nothing to do with natty test levels and everything to do with time invested at the gym and learning about training and nutrition.

Fair enough, at least the part about learning proper training and nutrition.

Myself personally don't care all that much about how much total time someone has invested it the gym as much as I care about actual quality time spent in the gym.

What I meen by that is theres a lot of guys, even on this very site, that state they have 5, 10, 15+ years of lifting experience but yet you look at there bodies and you just don't see it.

Basically all I'm trying to say is there is no set in stone guidelines for who should and should not start AAS so trying to put at age, weight, years lifting, etc requirement just isn't the right way to go about it. Every individual is different and not everyone has the same goals.

Now, that was all a good bit off topic from Nelson's original post. Lol. I do agree with him about all these guys who know nothing about AAS buying a whole bunch of gear then asking how should they should it. That is just plain dumb no doubt about that. Some of these post I see guys stating they've been researching the past few weeks, or hell even the past few days and think they know have enough knowledge to start a cycle. I spent months, literally months, of researching before I even thought I knew enough to begin a cycle. And I still have A LOT to learn.

 

[Stryker1992]

for me i started lifting at 15 and didn't run my first cycle till 29. i had a very solid foundation and built up a lot of knowledge with nutrition etc.

most of us are not gonna compete, we are gym rats. most roid users that is. i have no desire to compete, i just want to look good and excell at this lifestyle

Agreed!

 

[nerdalert1]

I see the same thing everyday over at 'ology too Nelson. Nobody reads the stickies or uses the search function, they are lazy. Which is why they want to jump on something before they have even tapped their genetic potential imo.

 

[jmat2407]

I see the same thing everyday over at 'ology too Nelson. Nobody reads the stickies or uses the search function, they are lazy. Which is why they want to jump on something before they have even tapped their genetic potential imo.

That is another term that bugs me. I see it loosely thrown around all the time; "train till you reach your genetic potential then juice" is a phrase I see way to much.

Lets be real here for a second. There is maybe a handful, and I stress handful, on this site that can with 100% honesty say they reached their absolute genetic potential and truly need AAS to continue to develope.

Note: Stop progressing after years of training simply because your body has adapted to your workout or your diet as become obsolete for your now developed body does not = reaching your max genetic potential.

Now I know you said "tap" not "max" so this isn't directed right at you nerdalert so please don't take this as me trying to bash you by any meens. I fully agree a user should have some kind of foundation built before AAS but I'm not sure yet where I draw the line on just how developed that foundation should be.

 

[Zyglamail]

Fair enough, at least the part about learning proper training and nutrition.

Myself personally don't care all that much about how much total time someone has invested it the gym as much as I care about actual quality time spent in the gym.

TOTALLY agree with your BUT, the chances of having quality time is much more likely for someone with 10 years under their belt than someone with 10 months under their belt.

Stagnation in progress generally does 1 of 2 things, drives people to research or drives them away from the gym. Guys with a couple years under the belt are still very likely making newbie gains and havent hit that fork in the road.

What I like to see is folks who have hit that fork and put their nose to the grindstone to keep making gains.

Were getting like 10 posts a day from folks who have already acquired some gear and are asking how to use it and what to do for pct yet have minimal bodymass at best. This alone tells me they have not invested any quality time.