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should deca be my first cycle?

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i am 20 and 140 pounds of lean muscle and i eat right and workout ahrd. I can't gain weight so my friend said try deca. Should deca be my first cycle and what should i take with it to kepp the gains. Also what other info should i know so i do i 100% right the first time.
 
i did deca for my first cycle and i was happy but now i look back and wished i had done differently. just my opinion but think about test and eq instead of deca.
 
What does your diet look like ? Are you geting in enough clean cals and Protein ? Try to get about 280 grams of Protein per day and start eating like a mad man. If you are going to do your first cycle I would recommend this
D-Bol at 25-30mg/Day for weeks 1-4
Test at 500mg/week for weeks 1-10
Eq at 300-400mg/week for weeks 1-12
Clomid starting 3 weeks after your last shot of Eq. Make sure you get in those cals and watch your self grow. Hope this helps, if you have any questions you can e-mail me anytime. Best of luck!

M18
 
I think 20 is a pretty good age to start and you are most likely fully matured physically. Have you tried supplements and creatine first? Always make sure you gain as much as you can naturally, and then consider roids to help you a little.

Deca would be ok. A little test would be even more potent at putting on a little size though. It won't take much your first time to gain a good 10-15 lbs or so. Take a little Primo when you are coming off the test. I have had great success with this for keeping my gains.
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
What does your diet look like ? Are you geting in enough clean cals and Protein ? Try to get about 280 grams of Protein per day and start eating like a mad man.
M18
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Except for the extreme cycle mustang recommended at the end, he is right about your diet.

If you do a cycle then do a Deca cycle lik this:

Deca
200mg/week
300
300
400
400
300
300
200
 
I love Mustang's cycle recommendation (my only change would be to start EQ at week 3 & run through week 10, test for 8 weeks). It's a classic mass cycle with EQ replacing Deca (the original standard in this cycle). I believe a lot of the old notions of pyramiding with Deca-only or 250mg Test/week only as appropriate 1st cycles is getting a bit dated. With the anti-e's available, someone approaching this cycle seriously/intelligently with virgin receptors can benefit a great deal. Obviously, gyno is the major concern, but this can be effectively dealt with (& the majority of us are not prone anyways) by using proviron or nolvadex, or arimidex & clomid. Toxicity issues can be handled with milk thistle, cranberry extract & tons of H20, etc.

My feelings are, any amount of gear opens up some possibilities that are unappealing, however, if you're gonna take the plunge, you may as well do it right and get the most out of it. A low dosage Deca only cycle would have a lot of us regretting later, how we used our 1st cycle. Anyways, its just my opinion, if you were to grow tits afterwards, & your hairline receded, obviously you are gonna wish you went with 2Thick's recommendation. If you're cut out for gear, physically & mentally & particularly responsibility wise, Mustang's cycle as a 1st is gonna have you very pleased, but if there are any doubts, go with 2Thicks.
 
My Good Lord,

Here we go again with the EXTREME INSAN-O-CYCLE bashing....500mg's per week of test IS NOT high....

The cycle Mustang laid out is very nice for a 1st time....will not be any sides...and if so, minimal at best...clomid and nolva on hand will take care of them nicely....

Deca only, or Deca for a 1st time is a waste amd will leave you wondering what happened to your gains....EQ will increase your vascularity, appetite, and only aromatizes into a simple estrogen....Deca has the affinity to bind to, and activate the Progest. recepters...this brings a totally different side effect into the picture...TEST is king, and should be the base for all first time users....

What got you this far in life Bro...??? Test of course...it's flowing through your veins as you read this....Go with Mustang and enjoy the growth....go with 2Thick and start yawning after 8 weeks....

Ranger
 
I gained 30lbs off my first cycle which was deca/dbol. I only used 400mg deca/week, and 30mg dbol/day. At the end I ended up gaining 30lbs and keeping all of it. So I wasn't disappointed at all. Your diet, training, and rest are much more important than how much or what you take...
 
I've used 200mg of Deca per week for 5 weeks, gained 15 lbs and kept all.

Everyone's body is different so why start with dosages in excess of 400mg weekly? Lots of people get good responses from low dosages but if they always use big stacks from cycle 1 and on they would never learn that.
 
2Thick said:


Except for the extreme cycle mustang recommended at the end, he is right about your diet.

If you do a cycle then do a Deca cycle lik this:

Deca
200mg/week
300
300
400
400
300
300
200
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:FRlol: Your posts always bring a smile to my face!
 
One of the biggest horseshit misconceptions is..." If I start big, or medium...then I'll have to up the dosage each cycle after that to see any growth " ....

That being said....think on this, if the above thoughts were true....What do you think Ronnie Coleman's dosages are???

Roids for thoughts laddies....

Ranger
 
Fucker....I didn't punch a hole in my puter....I put my foot through it....Go drink a winny milkshake ya circus midget....heh heh heh

Ranger
 
There's more to this argument. I feel a 1st cycle should still follow sensible AS usage guidelines which IMO include (1) Test with every cycle (Deca-only shuts down test production which is a very important hormone for multiple bodily functions) (2) Synergy- it can be effectively argued that every cycle can benefit from AR binding synergy. Dbol is a weak AR binder and therefore works very well with Test, Deca, and/or EQ. (3) EQ is a relatively low aromatizing AS that can help solidify gains made from D-bol/Test as well as serve as an effective appetite stimulant.

Why shouldn't a first cycle follow the same guidelines (other than dosages) as an effective 2nd, 3rd or 4th, ect cycle. Please don't say side effects, because if you're prone to gyno, you're always gonna be prone to gyno.
 
listen to 2thick, there is no need to take 500mg of test along with eq and dbol for a first cycle. YOu want to atleast know how your body reacts to roids before you try a cycle like that. T your weight you will grow off of anything like crazy. Half of the smallest cycles out there will put like at least 20-30 pounds on you. GO with primo and winstrol, or the deca cycle that 2thick recomended. At your age you still have lots of epiphysis open in your shoulders, hips and face. YOu don't want to mess with these by shooting compounds that can turn into estrogen.
 
Horny said:
GO with primo and winstrol, or the deca cycle that 2thick recomended. At your age you still have lots of epiphysis open in your shoulders, hips and face. YOu don't want to mess with these by shooting compounds that can turn into estrogen.
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Primo & Winny cycle for a guy weighing 140 lbs...good advice, ...if he's a chick. Deca can & will aromatize to progesterone induced gyno, not to mention shut off test which is not the healthiest thing for 2+ mos at a time. Also, they sells drugs like Arimidex, provirion, nolvadex, & clomid to deal with aromatization. Dude, just b/c 1000mg of test gave you big lips, doesn't mean it is not an effective AS choice for most people's 1st cycle. Some guys just aren't cut out for gear---period. Those of us that will benefit from AS in the long run will benefit with the Test/dbol/EQ cycle as a 1st.
 
I'm gonna jump on the other side of the fence... Deca alone is probably one of the worst cycles you could do. Like the brother has already stated, deca will shut down test. If deca is in your cycle, you should have some test along with it... Also, if you are running deca and you believe you may be predisposed to gyno (I had it naturally as a teenager) then run some winstrol with it. So, Test/Deca/Winny or Test/EQ with 4-5wks of dbol or my favorite: Test/Dbol/Primo/Anavar/

Week*Test*Primo*Dbol*Anavar

1****400**300**25********
2****400**300**25********
3****400**300**25********
4****400**300**25********
5****400**300*******30***
6****400**300*******30***
7****400**300*******30***
8****300**300*******30***
9*********200*******25***
10***Clomid/HCG
11***Clomid/HCG
12***Clomid****






-Stew
 
Sorry Bro....winny doesn't work in everyone....and if you get "Deca Dick" from a Deca only cycle.....it'll be month's before Homer the one eyed zipper fish works again.....heh heh heh

Ranger
 
I'll go along with Stew's suggestion as well. Same principles as Mustang's, but higher quality gear with less likelihood of sides. If you got the cash, few people can argue with that cycle.
 
Stews cycle is very nice as well, if you have the $ that would be another option to go with.
"Homer the one eyed zipper fish" :FRlol: That is some FUNNY Shit. It's good to have you back and posting again Ranger. Test is KING :D

M18
 
PimpnAintEasy said:

Primo & Winny cycle for a guy weighing 140 lbs...good advice, ...if he's a chick. Deca can & will aromatize to progesterone induced gyno, not to mention shut off test which is not the healthiest thing for 2+ mos at a time. Also, they sells drugs like Arimidex, provirion, nolvadex, & clomid to deal with aromatization. Dude, just b/c 1000mg of test gave you big lips, doesn't mean it is not an effective AS choice for most people's 1st cycle. Some guys just aren't cut out for gear---period. Those of us that will benefit from AS in the long run will benefit with the Test/dbol/EQ cycle as a 1st.
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My lips are fine. I don;t know anything about deca and I assume 2thick does and I respect his opinions so I said he should do what 2thikc suggested. I agree it is not good because of what I hear about deca dick. Here is what I think this guy should take:

primo-400mg/week for week 1-8
winny-50mg/ed for week 1-6
testosterone enanthate-120mg for week 3-8

no antiestrogens during cycle of course
and hit the clomid post cycle

at 140 he will gorw like a weed
 
Thats better horny, I thought I read somewhere you didn't like test b/c it made your lips big. Sorry, my mistake. Winny works synergistically with Test like Dbol does, so it is a solid choice for a test stack.
 
How 'bout it coop?

What kinda price range you lookin' at?


-Stew
 
120mg's of Enanth. per week.....heh heh heh....Oh well, and all these years I was over doing it....go figure....

Ranger
 
Dosage

If you are 140 lbs
then you should dose you Deca 2mg for every pound of you weight. Since you are not that heavy (yet) Deca at 280mg a week would be right for you.
Listen to the other guys and stack it with some test like Sustanon 250. Remember, you're not going to feel anything from Deca and Test for a few weeks. Therefore, it would be a good idea to stack alittle Dbol with it at first.
:alien:
 
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