Short cycle on Wins/Mast - affects the HPTA?

[rep_set_match]

If stacking and injecting 50mg Winstrol and 100mg Masteron EOD for 20 days (Total 500mg Winstrol and 1000mg Masteron), will HPTA be affected enough to need any PCT? According to my literature it won't. Do you agree?

 

[thelocal]

you will need pct..and for one winstrol is shit,and u always needs test no matter what

 

[rep_set_match]

I'm only asking if these two substances would affect the HPTA, not what else needs to be stacked or what ever, and if someones opinion is that there is need for PCT, please elaborate what kind of PCT substances would be adviced. Dosage and length would be appreciated.

No offence but I just find it hard to take as solid answer from someone that say you need testo in every cycle "no mather what". Anyone else have a comment, not on the testo but on the PCT for wins/masteron as described?

 

[eClenbuterol]

Yes you will.PCT is a must!

 

[thelocal]

bro EVERYONE here will tell you that you need "testo" as you call it in every cycle

 

[rep_set_match]

bro EVERYONE here will tell you that you need "testo" as you call it in every cycle

It is tempting to list a bunch of cycles out there with proven results WITHOUT Testosterone. I'll give you a few in short version: Deca (stand alone), Prim (stand alone), Prim/Anavar, Deca/D-Bol, EQ/Wins, Dyna/D-Bol, D-Bol/Tren/Wins/EQ and so fucking on......

Please feel free to ask for more cycles without Test. Oh and since English isn't my mother tongue, excuse the O in TestO.

When you have written a book of the same depth and credibility as L. Rea (CME) and prove HIM wrong that EVERY cycle needs Test, THEN I might consider that as a possible reality. Though first you'd have to explain his results which I think you might have problems doing, nor do I think your background of understanding AAS and the body's reaction to it is on the same level as him. Or same planet if you will.....

So please cut the BS, you do NOT need Test in every cycle. That is ludicrous. Well unless "cycle" means something else then what I believe it does......

 

[C.K.]

Yes it's very possible to get great results without test but whats the point of looking that good unless you feel equally good and can use it in bed?

 

[rep_set_match]

Yes it's very possible to get great results without test but whats the point of looking that good unless you feel equally good and can use it in bed?

If anyone needs/have to/must inject them selves with Test to feel good and to function in bed.......I'll just leave that one blank. I give up. What ever dude.....

But I didn't create the thread to discuss test or not, I was merely seeking advice on the Masteron/Wins stack. Now that I know that two of you thinks PCT is necessarily for this stack I need to chew on that for a while and get back to the drawing boards since this kind of messes up my game plan

 

[thelocal]

lol you belive that dude?that he said u should use decca as a stand alone..lol go ahead get decca dick

 

[rep_set_match]

lol you belive that dude?that he said u should use decca as a stand alone..lol go ahead get decca dick

Unsure why I even bother to comment but here I go again. Yes I do believe L. Rea to have a better understanding of the HPTA function than you. Why wouldn't I? If I didn't respect his copy right I would quote something from his book referring to exactly that. I suggest you read his book. It might, strike that, WILL do you some good.

That's why I also did a stand alone Deca cycle some months back earlier this year. Since my dick functioned as normal, normal being erected when ever the fuck I want and firing at will, I guess I don't only believe him but got first hand experience confirming this "myth". But the world ain't black and white and this is no difference. If you go above dosages of 300mg/w and longer than 4-5 weeks your HPTA will be affected. Sure. If below that, you don't need to worry. Of course I also know other that have the same experience. Even though I didn't rub their dicks gently to see the actual erection, I do believe them when they told me.

Maybe you should stop shooting from your hip?

There. I said my piece in this thread. I'll let you have the last word. Don't care what you pull out of your hat next. Best of luck......

 

[C.K.]

Don't come in here asking for advise if you're not gonna have an open mind or wanna hear anyone elses thoughts but yours... go ahead and do your 3 week cycle both will kick in around week 2 and you have a whole week to make gains and fuck fine bitches but I can assure you anything you gained will be lost with no pct...

 

[rep_set_match]

Don't come in here asking for advise if you're not gonna have an open mind or wanna hear anyone elses thoughts but yours... go ahead and do your 3 week cycle both will kick in around week 2 and you have a whole week to make gains and fuck fine bitches but I can assure you anything you gained will be lost with no pct...

Didn't I just say that? Didn't I just say that I took in the info regarding PCT and Win/Mast??? What the fuck are you talking about not having an open mind and not wanting to hear anyone elses thoughts? A guy laughs and undermine my knowledge/experience and I'm not allowed to answer that? If anyone didn't want to hear another opinion but his own it sure as hell wasn't me! Why you bring up the 3 week cycle like my last comment was "yeah I'll run and do it right now!!!" I will never know. Kind of said the opposite if you had taken the time to read my post instead of just what you "wish" to see. Djiz. If I could close this damn thread I would......

 

[soupeater]

im curious, why the aversion to test? 90% of EF members will say to take it with every cycle (even at a small HRT dose as a minimum). my question is why not?

im looking into doing shortish cycles down the road (still natty and researching hence all the ???s). i have been leaning towards a 6 week cycle with 250 mg of T per week (~HRT dosage), 25-50 Proviron ED, and stacking with var, primo, or sten (with the goal of 5-8 lbs of lean, dry, keepable mass with minimum negative effects on HPTA and its recovery). so my question above is legit. what are your reasons for doing short cycles but avoiding test?

cheers

 

[rep_set_match]

im curious, why the aversion to test? 90% of EF members will say to take it with every cycle (even at a small HRT dose as a minimum). my question is why not?

im looking into doing shortish cycles down the road (still natty and researching hence all the ???s). i have been leaning towards a 6 week cycle with 250 mg of T per week (~HRT dosage), 25-50 Proviron ED, and stacking with var, primo, or sten (with the goal of 5-8 lbs of lean, dry, keepable mass with minimum negative effects on HPTA and its recovery). so my question above is legit. what are your reasons for doing short cycles but avoiding test?

cheers

I'd love to do test in this particularly cycle. But my problem is my work. At this time (which is like 6 months from now) I have a fixed schedule where I need to travel 2 weeks here and there. Some times I only have 3 weeks between these 2w work schedules, meaning PCT can be a problem. But it CAN be a problem, I think I will solve it with the help of some more digging and discussion here on EF. Right now I was just playing around with substances that I might take during a cutting cycle that didn't affect the HPTA that much. I though I had come up with a combo that could work (Mast and Win), posted it here, but as you can see it turned out to require PCT after all. But I'm working on it

I'm not at all avoiding Test. In fact I am currently on a Sustanon cycle right now and I looove it

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Yep yep you will need it with winni /mast

I have tryed most and all have shut me down to some extent.

I use to cycle and travel for wks at a time and just jump on a oral bridge not the best idea but it got me through .


Brad.

 

[d_rson]

First, everyone is different. If you can run deca alone and not get deca dick, then awesome. But 90% of us can't. So when we recommend test along with any inj cycle (and some oral cycles) it's because better safe then sorry.

Two, why mast and winny at the same time. Counterproductive and bitch on the tendons/joints. Just do mast.

Also, mast and/or winny are going to dry you out. A little test along the way will help counteract the extreme dryness, AND enhance the fat burning.

If test will shut you down, Mast and winny will too. So you need PCT. In fact, if you can't PCT, then don't cycle until you can guarantee PCT. Why spend all the time cycling if you end up losing it because you are shutdown and go catabolic. Makes no sense.

 

[C0LUMB0]

When you have written a book of the same depth and credibility as L. Rea (CME) and prove HIM wrong that EVERY cycle needs Test, THEN I might consider that as a possible reality. Though first you'd have to explain his results which I think you might have problems doing, nor do I think your background of understanding AAS and the body's reaction to it is on the same level as him. Or same planet if you will.....

So please cut the BS, you do NOT need Test in every cycle. That is ludicrous. Well unless "cycle" means something else then what I believe it does......[/QUOTE]



Firstly you've got a bad attitude fella.

Second of all you say "Well unless "cycle" means something else then what I believe it does."..... - Looking at other threads you have posted one of your cycles was 3 shots of Deca or some shit like that

You seem to be constantly quoting 1 particular book that has all the answers... yet you come here , ask questions and then mouth off with a know-all attitude when some guy gives you advice / his opinion ( good advice by the way ) .

 

[thelocal]

lol if you have all the answer's then why are you here?