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Kwai-Chang Caine
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For self defense? Don't bother.
Kung-fu is a beautiful art and it is amazing to see a high ranking practicioner perform a kata under this system, but I wouldnt suggest you waste your time with it if self defense and fighting prowess are your ultimate goals.
What other options are available to you? What kinds of martial arts schools or instructors reside in your area?
Kung-fu is a beautiful art and it is amazing to see a high ranking practicioner perform a kata under this system, but I wouldnt suggest you waste your time with it if self defense and fighting prowess are your ultimate goals.
What other options are available to you? What kinds of martial arts schools or instructors reside in your area?
Well there are quite a few other martial arts available around here. Karate/Kempo Karate, Wing Chun Gung Fu (by sifu augustine fong who is one bad mofo), Taekwondo, Bujinkan(sp) Ninjitsu, Judo, Jaiujitsu, BJJ, some eclectic places, escrima, muay thai (i think), and Shaolin Kung Fu. Thats all I remember off the top of my head.
Kwai-Chang Caine
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Holy shit bro!
Your city must be like the friggin' Mecca of the martial arts.
Check out these places:
Bujinkan(sp) Ninjitsu, Judo, Jaiujitsu (sp), BJJ, escrima, and muay thai
I think you would be best suited with a combination of BJJ and thai kickboxing, but judo and escrima have some good things to offer as well. I even suggest you check out the Bujinkan and Jaiujitsu places to just see what they are like.
Go ahead and scratch the tae kwon do and kung fu from your list right now though. I would say the same about the Bujinkan and Jaiujitsu places, but I am not too familiar with those styles.
If you are wealthy enough and have all the time in the world to train I would say do BJJ, judo, and thai. Most people don't have that luxury, but if you do then go for it. Escrima is a very good weapons art too, but some people arent into the weapons thing.
Your city must be like the friggin' Mecca of the martial arts.
Check out these places:
Bujinkan(sp) Ninjitsu, Judo, Jaiujitsu (sp), BJJ, escrima, and muay thai
I think you would be best suited with a combination of BJJ and thai kickboxing, but judo and escrima have some good things to offer as well. I even suggest you check out the Bujinkan and Jaiujitsu places to just see what they are like.
Go ahead and scratch the tae kwon do and kung fu from your list right now though. I would say the same about the Bujinkan and Jaiujitsu places, but I am not too familiar with those styles.
If you are wealthy enough and have all the time in the world to train I would say do BJJ, judo, and thai. Most people don't have that luxury, but if you do then go for it. Escrima is a very good weapons art too, but some people arent into the weapons thing.
kata is japanese (i thought anyway)
depends on the style.....there are so many, and some arent so good others are better. some styles are just lots of fancy hand movements etc which isnt especially practical, others focus a lot more on practicality
some styles (like dog style) concentrate on taking the opponent to the floor and beating him there, some are all about quick strikes etc, some are about conditioning your body like crazy....theres so much out there
i do a southern style......in terms of outright practicality (i.e. getting good fast) its not great as their is so much to learn, it depends on if your instructor spoon feeds you or expects you to learn lots yourself. other styles (non kung fu) may be faster to learn & therefore more effective. but (southern) concentrates a lot more on handwork, which i think is better than northern (flowery kicks and shit
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my style has strikes, joint locks, stand up grappling, groundwork.....i do like it a lot. i am quite biased though, ive never really experienced other styles. speaking to people within my club who have done other styles before (tae kwon do, thai boxing, kick boxing etc) they agree it is effective, and have used it succesfully as bouncers in nightclubs etc. they (thai boxers) also on the flip side say thai boxing is more brutally effective on the streets due to the simplicity/ease of learning of it
it really depends on the club i guess. go down and take a look. so much of it has been diluted nowadays that you get guys doing patterns (or karate katas) to music, in dance gear etc, so you got to make sure you get a good one, the most popular ones arent necessarily the best. hope this ridiculously biased kung fu opinion helps
depends on the style.....there are so many, and some arent so good others are better. some styles are just lots of fancy hand movements etc which isnt especially practical, others focus a lot more on practicality
some styles (like dog style) concentrate on taking the opponent to the floor and beating him there, some are all about quick strikes etc, some are about conditioning your body like crazy....theres so much out there
i do a southern style......in terms of outright practicality (i.e. getting good fast) its not great as their is so much to learn, it depends on if your instructor spoon feeds you or expects you to learn lots yourself. other styles (non kung fu) may be faster to learn & therefore more effective. but (southern) concentrates a lot more on handwork, which i think is better than northern (flowery kicks and shit
)my style has strikes, joint locks, stand up grappling, groundwork.....i do like it a lot. i am quite biased though, ive never really experienced other styles. speaking to people within my club who have done other styles before (tae kwon do, thai boxing, kick boxing etc) they agree it is effective, and have used it succesfully as bouncers in nightclubs etc. they (thai boxers) also on the flip side say thai boxing is more brutally effective on the streets due to the simplicity/ease of learning of it
it really depends on the club i guess. go down and take a look. so much of it has been diluted nowadays that you get guys doing patterns (or karate katas) to music, in dance gear etc, so you got to make sure you get a good one, the most popular ones arent necessarily the best. hope this ridiculously biased kung fu opinion helps
thanx bro. I was thinking about BJJ with some other art. I'll check out the muay thai. My sisters ex trained or trains with one of the Gracies (dont remember whick one) so i have been exposed to that. I've tried Tae Kwon Do, did a combination of WTF and steet fighting there. I found some of the kicks to be pretty damn useful so I've kept those in my arsenal. My cousin is an instructor for the new USMC matial arts program, but most of those techniqes kill and i dont want to do that. I was considering Wing Chun because of the bad ass boxing that it has. I love kicking so I'm gonna check out Muay Thai for sure. Anyone else have opinions on the martial arts i listed in my previous post?
Thaibox
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Kwai-Chang Caine said:
I would come up with the exact same list except I may add Wing Chung. It all comes down to instructors. Be very cautious of who owns it, who teaches, etc. Research people. I believe this to be the single most important thing to judge a dojo by. I can't begin to tell you how many bullshit places there are. Guys that claim to be Shodans, but got their rank in three years from some guy named Vinny. Unfortunately lots of so called dojos are only there to make money.
If you want to study Ninjitsu, go buy a book by Masaaki Hatsumi or Steven Hayes and read about their true philosophies.
When you go to check a place out, if you see a big sign for 'cardio kickboxing'...leave, quickly.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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I would say bjj and muay thai would be a good combination but for tournys but won't help you much on the street. Muay thai will only show you punches and kicks but will not show you how to block/deflect punches, bjj will show you ground fighting but will not show you how to disarm a knife/gun while standing. Wing chun Kung fu will show you viscious punches, finger striking, palm strikes, headbutts, elbows, some kicks, trapping techniques, joint breaks, pressure points and has a whole system built around blind siding opponent, no fighting force with force and attacking weak points and using opponents energy against him I have checked out many other martial arts and can honestly say imo that wing chun has the most effective self defence techniques out of any other martial art that i know of and simply punching kicking and grounfighting isn't enough. Plus where i train there are people who have trained in other styles and martial arts and have alot of street experience so they have showed me alot of cool stuff and the bjj place where i go has vale tudo lessons which teach you boxing/kickboxing and wrestling so i really get everything i need in 2 clubs. I reccomend Wing chun for standing close quarters hand to hand combat, bjj or wrestling to cover your groundwork, and if you can afford it kickboxing/muay thai to enhance your kicking ablility since wing chun lacks alot of kicks
Kwai-Chang Caine
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BJJ and Muay Thai won't help you much on the street?
That is a completely absurd statement.
For you to even suggest this leads me to believe that you know nothing about jujitsu or thai, let alone practice any form of either.
I would go on to share my thoughts on your precious wing chun, but I am getting annoyed with these types of arguments. If you haven't opened your eyes to the power and supremacy of MMA by now, then I doubt you ever will.
That is a completely absurd statement.
For you to even suggest this leads me to believe that you know nothing about jujitsu or thai, let alone practice any form of either.
I would go on to share my thoughts on your precious wing chun, but I am getting annoyed with these types of arguments. If you haven't opened your eyes to the power and supremacy of MMA by now, then I doubt you ever will.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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whatever dude.Kwai-Chang Caine said:
you got your opinion, i got mine....lets just leave it at that.
peace
As far ass immediate effectiveness
Braz Ju-jitsu, Muay Thai...
Let's face it, A punch is a punch, a kick is a kick! If you can do that harder and faster than your opponent than your chances of victory are greater. And if you are taken or need to take an opponent to the ground, Brazillian Ju-Jitsu is unmatched in effectiveness, and there is not a "large learning curve".
If you train, w/ dedication. W/ in six months of Muay thai, and Brazillian ju-jitsu, you will probably be 98 or 99 percent effective in a street confrontation. In other words w/ just six months of training you will be able to defeat 98 percent of people you meet in the street.
So ease of learning and effectiveness, muay thai and Braz ju-jitsu!
Hope this helps.
c
Braz Ju-jitsu, Muay Thai...
Let's face it, A punch is a punch, a kick is a kick! If you can do that harder and faster than your opponent than your chances of victory are greater. And if you are taken or need to take an opponent to the ground, Brazillian Ju-Jitsu is unmatched in effectiveness, and there is not a "large learning curve".
If you train, w/ dedication. W/ in six months of Muay thai, and Brazillian ju-jitsu, you will probably be 98 or 99 percent effective in a street confrontation. In other words w/ just six months of training you will be able to defeat 98 percent of people you meet in the street.
So ease of learning and effectiveness, muay thai and Braz ju-jitsu!
Hope this helps.
c
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This is the lineage for Fong (the instructor for the wing chun school) http://www.fongswingchun.com/lineage.html
This is the lineage for Fong (the instructor for the wing chun school) http://www.fongswingchun.com/lineage.html
Kwai-Chang Caine
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XJ220,
I can already see that you seem to like the idea of taking wing chun. I really suggest that you do not do that when two much more effective and easier arts to learn and use are at your disposal. You have a great opportunity to start your martial arts journey on the right foot. Don't make the same mistakes that countless martial artists have made before you.
With all due respect to Mr. Fong, I can think of about a dozen guys with the last name Gracie and countless others who would tie him or any other Wing Chun master up like a pretzel. I'm sure our resident Muay Thai expert Thaibox could rattle off quite a few Muay Thai fighters who would turn Wing Chun's best into hamburger as well.
I can already see that you seem to like the idea of taking wing chun. I really suggest that you do not do that when two much more effective and easier arts to learn and use are at your disposal. You have a great opportunity to start your martial arts journey on the right foot. Don't make the same mistakes that countless martial artists have made before you.
With all due respect to Mr. Fong, I can think of about a dozen guys with the last name Gracie and countless others who would tie him or any other Wing Chun master up like a pretzel. I'm sure our resident Muay Thai expert Thaibox could rattle off quite a few Muay Thai fighters who would turn Wing Chun's best into hamburger as well.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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the gracies and other ufc fighters fight in the octagon with rules, He's more interested in self defence not competition and tournies, why fight like an octagon fighter when you can strike eyes and gouge and claw, a kung fu fighter would have an edge on the street because they are taught to fight dirty hence the name "self defence"Kwai-Chang Caine said:
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
Why fight like an octagon fighter? Well, it's simple really. BECAUSE IT WORKS!!!!!
Do you have any idea why it's important to practice a martial art with a sport application? Well let me tell you why...
Wing Chun can never be practiced at 100% because everything you guys do would turn into slop once you guys started rolling around on the ground or grappled on your feet. Also, even if you could get off all of those eye gouges and whatever else you guys do you wouldnt be able to apply the holds full force because you would run the chance of injuring each other permanently.
BJJ and Muay Thai are so great because you can actually practice full force. You can fight, perfect your technique, feel the adrenaline, and know the deep feeling of urgency you experience when you are going full speed. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!
You fight like you practice. If your practice doesn't involve full speed/contact training you arent going to be ready for a street confrontation. That is the kind of training BJJ and Thai will give him, not Wing Chun.
And another thing...
It doesn't take an art to teach you how to eye gouge someone. Anyone can do that regardless of style if they choose to.
Why fight like an octagon fighter? Well, it's simple really. BECAUSE IT WORKS!!!!!
Do you have any idea why it's important to practice a martial art with a sport application? Well let me tell you why...
Wing Chun can never be practiced at 100% because everything you guys do would turn into slop once you guys started rolling around on the ground or grappled on your feet. Also, even if you could get off all of those eye gouges and whatever else you guys do you wouldnt be able to apply the holds full force because you would run the chance of injuring each other permanently.
BJJ and Muay Thai are so great because you can actually practice full force. You can fight, perfect your technique, feel the adrenaline, and know the deep feeling of urgency you experience when you are going full speed. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!
You fight like you practice. If your practice doesn't involve full speed/contact training you arent going to be ready for a street confrontation. That is the kind of training BJJ and Thai will give him, not Wing Chun.
And another thing...
It doesn't take an art to teach you how to eye gouge someone. Anyone can do that regardless of style if they choose to.
maybe i can fit in the thai like 1 day a week but i doubt it. so what should I replace thai with?Kwai-Chang Caine
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Is there just a regular good ol' boxing gym near you? If you can't train Muay Thai that would be your next best striking option in my opinion.
Hell, if you just wanted to be a sick grappling, throwing, and submission player you could just go the BJJ and Judo route. Sure, you won't learn shit for striking, but I would imagine that you would be pretty damn nasty with joint locks and throws with a combination like that.
Escrima might be a nice fit for you if you want to learn how to weild a knife and other weapons.
I just don't feel comfortable telling you to join either the kung fu, karate, tae kwon do, or wing chun schools. My experience with schools such as these is that they teach you so called "deadly techniques", but you never really get a chance to practice them or train in a full contact manner. Plus there is all the time you spend wasting learning forms, useless techniques, procedure, and other BS related to traditional styles.
I still highly suggest you take some time out to visit these schools for yourself.
Hell, if you just wanted to be a sick grappling, throwing, and submission player you could just go the BJJ and Judo route. Sure, you won't learn shit for striking, but I would imagine that you would be pretty damn nasty with joint locks and throws with a combination like that.
Escrima might be a nice fit for you if you want to learn how to weild a knife and other weapons.
I just don't feel comfortable telling you to join either the kung fu, karate, tae kwon do, or wing chun schools. My experience with schools such as these is that they teach you so called "deadly techniques", but you never really get a chance to practice them or train in a full contact manner. Plus there is all the time you spend wasting learning forms, useless techniques, procedure, and other BS related to traditional styles.
I still highly suggest you take some time out to visit these schools for yourself.
Thaibox
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If you can't take Thai, its a fairly reasonable assumption that if you are going to train at multiple dojos, you will find someone with sufficient knowledge of Muay Thai to teach you basics on the side. The chance of this is pretty high at a bjj place since people who take bjj typically are geared toward practical application or NHB/MMA. Either way, they will recognize the significance of Thai.
I was getting pissed at some hard headed, inexperienced guys on here a couple weeks ago and planned on avoiding that bullshit in the future because it has no place on this board. But, I have to point out that Muscletechsux really bothers me. Your arguments have no logic dude, and are clearly not from someone with any experience whatsoever.
I was getting pissed at some hard headed, inexperienced guys on here a couple weeks ago and planned on avoiding that bullshit in the future because it has no place on this board. But, I have to point out that Muscletechsux really bothers me. Your arguments have no logic dude, and are clearly not from someone with any experience whatsoever.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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i wouldnt be so high a Muay Thai if i were you...forgetting it is a SPORT with rules....which can hurt you in a street fight...ie. when i was taking Thai....a few times...i didnt want to block with the typical Thai block...by lifting the leg and blocking shin on shin (i've seen too many UFC/Pride guys block and then try to stand and have their shin break in half)....so did a JKD destruction which is just lifted my leg up and meet his shin with my knee...(we practice full force with hockey equipment...shin pads..helmet etc)...and you know what the instructor says? "Dont ever do that, you could seriously injury someone" ***WTF***!!!
and there were many other things i could rant on after going back from wing chun/street fighting training to Thai...ie. like a simple knee stomp..or headbutt...or when you are in the classic Muay Thai clinch..*instructor* "dont knee in the head, we dont want to kill anyone" ***WTF***!!! so if i'm in the street i'm going to be worried about the rules?..or being disqualifed?..if one knee to the head can end a fight...
.Thai Boxing = sport.
and there were many other things i could rant on after going back from wing chun/street fighting training to Thai...ie. like a simple knee stomp..or headbutt...or when you are in the classic Muay Thai clinch..*instructor* "dont knee in the head, we dont want to kill anyone" ***WTF***!!! so if i'm in the street i'm going to be worried about the rules?..or being disqualifed?..if one knee to the head can end a fight...
.Thai Boxing = sport.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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plus muay thai has a stupid stance
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
You are a f*cking tool buddy. For one, I don't believe your little story at all. And secondly, even if that were to happen, it only means that the individual instructor you trained with blew ass, not Muay Thai. You train in an art where when you spar you wear hockey equipment, a helmet, and shin pads. If that isn't pussified, I don't know what is.
Go full contact with a Muay Thai fighter or a Mixed Martial Arts fighter sometime. While you're at it choose any setting or rules you like. Whether its in ring, a cage, on the street, MMA rules, no rules, or whatever I can gaurantee that your naive ass would get handed back to you.
Now, even if I were to concede the point to you that Muay Thai was useless on the street (which I will not), you would be a dumbass to believe that MMA aka Shootfighting aka Vale Tudo aka Pankration is useless on the street. You would also be a moron to say that wing chun was better than MMA training. I'll expand on this point...
The Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) approach to training is by far the most effective philosophy in combat training. MMA training is an approach that borrows from MANY martial arts. These arts include, but are not limited to Brazilian Jui-Jitsu, Japanese Juijitsu, Russian Military Sambo, Muay Thai, Western boxing, Greco-Roman Wrestling, Savate, Catch-as-Catch-can wrestling, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Judo. The MMA approach borrows the most effective and practical techniques from these arts and combines them to create a fighting style which has virtually no weaknesses. Are you telling me that Wing Chun by itself is superior to the combination of MMA techniques derived from so many other martial arts?
You say that MMA is a sport with rules. You are right and WRONG! MMA is and can be practiced as a sport. Must it be? Of course not! Just because I can enter myself into an event that doesn't allow me to eye gouge, fish hook, headbutt or groin strike doesn't mean that I, as a MMA practicioner, can't add these techniques to my intellectual toolbox. Are you so naive to think that just because we have a sport, that it means we can't play dirty too?
Let's talk a bit about Wing Chun now shall we? First off, your striking is weak. You have few kicks, no power kicks, few power punches. Yes, you do have elbow strikes, knee strikes, and headbutts, but your setups for these strikes are dated and impractical. If you want to know the proper way to engage, clintch, and then setup knee strikes and elbow strikes, look no further than the thai's. Secondly, where is your grappling and ground fighting at? What on earth are you going to do when you are taken off of your feet and are being choked or joint locked? What will your precious Wing Chun techniques do for you then? Now don't get me wrong; I don't think that Wing Chun or any art for that matter is totally useless, but your art has MAJOR HOLES AND WEAKNESSES. There is no way I would ever trust my life with Wing Chun training alone, especially when there are much better alternatives out there. You may disagree with me and that is fine, but that's only because you have not been taught a proper lesson. Maybe one day you'll sack up and test your skills against the same fighters you criticize. I assure you, they'll have you singing a different tune.
You are a f*cking tool buddy. For one, I don't believe your little story at all. And secondly, even if that were to happen, it only means that the individual instructor you trained with blew ass, not Muay Thai. You train in an art where when you spar you wear hockey equipment, a helmet, and shin pads. If that isn't pussified, I don't know what is.
Go full contact with a Muay Thai fighter or a Mixed Martial Arts fighter sometime. While you're at it choose any setting or rules you like. Whether its in ring, a cage, on the street, MMA rules, no rules, or whatever I can gaurantee that your naive ass would get handed back to you.
Now, even if I were to concede the point to you that Muay Thai was useless on the street (which I will not), you would be a dumbass to believe that MMA aka Shootfighting aka Vale Tudo aka Pankration is useless on the street. You would also be a moron to say that wing chun was better than MMA training. I'll expand on this point...
The Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) approach to training is by far the most effective philosophy in combat training. MMA training is an approach that borrows from MANY martial arts. These arts include, but are not limited to Brazilian Jui-Jitsu, Japanese Juijitsu, Russian Military Sambo, Muay Thai, Western boxing, Greco-Roman Wrestling, Savate, Catch-as-Catch-can wrestling, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Judo. The MMA approach borrows the most effective and practical techniques from these arts and combines them to create a fighting style which has virtually no weaknesses. Are you telling me that Wing Chun by itself is superior to the combination of MMA techniques derived from so many other martial arts?
You say that MMA is a sport with rules. You are right and WRONG! MMA is and can be practiced as a sport. Must it be? Of course not! Just because I can enter myself into an event that doesn't allow me to eye gouge, fish hook, headbutt or groin strike doesn't mean that I, as a MMA practicioner, can't add these techniques to my intellectual toolbox. Are you so naive to think that just because we have a sport, that it means we can't play dirty too?
Let's talk a bit about Wing Chun now shall we? First off, your striking is weak. You have few kicks, no power kicks, few power punches. Yes, you do have elbow strikes, knee strikes, and headbutts, but your setups for these strikes are dated and impractical. If you want to know the proper way to engage, clintch, and then setup knee strikes and elbow strikes, look no further than the thai's. Secondly, where is your grappling and ground fighting at? What on earth are you going to do when you are taken off of your feet and are being choked or joint locked? What will your precious Wing Chun techniques do for you then? Now don't get me wrong; I don't think that Wing Chun or any art for that matter is totally useless, but your art has MAJOR HOLES AND WEAKNESSES. There is no way I would ever trust my life with Wing Chun training alone, especially when there are much better alternatives out there. You may disagree with me and that is fine, but that's only because you have not been taught a proper lesson. Maybe one day you'll sack up and test your skills against the same fighters you criticize. I assure you, they'll have you singing a different tune.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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but muay thai sucks
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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oh and kwang ching chong or whatever your name is, i would drop you so fast in a fight it's not funny.
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
Keep telling yourself that bro. I find that statement almost as funny as your fourth grade level of grammar and punctuation.
Keep telling yourself that bro. I find that statement almost as funny as your fourth grade level of grammar and punctuation.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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yeah you can use your bjj to have your way with other guys in the prison shower after you get locked up for muay thai'ing someone, kwing ching chang chok cock(stupid name)
Thaibox
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K-CC, don't bother wasting your time with this guy bro. Its useless to try and articulate an intelligent argument with someone who is clearly still in high school. I've given up arguing with 'tough guys' that spend a month at their local "Karate" school, and are suddenly shodans. With that attitude, someone will slap the piss out of him soon enough.
Muscletechsux, feel free to post on things you are informed on, or ask legitimate questions, otherwise, stop posting here you little turd.
Muscletechsux, feel free to post on things you are informed on, or ask legitimate questions, otherwise, stop posting here you little turd.
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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oh yeah thaibox well how about you come down to Ft Myers Florida and we settle this face to face?
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MUSCLETECHSUX
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In fact I challange any thai boxer, bjj, mma fighter to come and see how good they are against wing chun
I really think that if you have a chance you should really train with Augustine Fong. He is a world class instructor. You can argue for hours about what martial art is the best but in reality they all have their strong and weak points. What matters most is how dedicated and proficient you are. If you train hard and keep an open mind but also think about what you are doing that is most of the battle. A good BJJ fighter will beat a bad wing chun fighter every time but a good wing chun fighter will beat a bad BJJ fighter every time. Some arts are easier and quicker to learn but usually the quicker you learn it the more limited it is. After you and your diligence to learning the most important thing is a good instructor and good people to work out with. I think this is where the Wing Chun class in your area has an advantage. The teacher and students there are top notch. I think if you go that path you will never regret it. Good luck.
Thaibox
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MUSCLETECHSUX said:
okay, I'll travel several thousand miles over what someone typed on the internet. JesusIf you weren't such a twit, you would notice that in my very first post I added WC to what should be considered in this case. I studied WC for 2 years and liked it. Did you once hear me say even one negative word about it?
Everything bad I said, I said about you. If you have an opinion, share it. If you disagree with something, present a valid argument against it. But since you can't, just accept the fact that you're a fucking knob and stop wasting board space with this bullshit. This is a place to share knowledge and learn, not act like a teenage girl on the rag.
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
Ft.Myers, Florida huh? Guess where I was born, raised, and continue to live when I am not at college? Yes, Ft.Myers!
You have got to be the most unlucky internet warrior in the entire history of shit talking internet tough guys. If you want to throw down sometime my friend, then so be it. I have no problem showcasing my skills because unlike you I am prepared to do so.
You have got a very serious decision to make at this point. You can either shut your mouth and stop with the hollow internet message board challenges or you can formally challenge me with a signed invitation from you and your instructor with all the proper forms and waivers. I will be back to town sometime in June or July so if you really want this to happen just say so.
I am guessing you train here right?
David Gallaher's Gung Fu Inst (941) 482-4300
5780 Youngquist Rd Ste 2, Fort Myers, FL 33912
If so, I know exactly where that is.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP,
Jesse Grinstead
INNER CIRCLE SHOOTFIGHTING
Ft.Myers, Florida huh? Guess where I was born, raised, and continue to live when I am not at college? Yes, Ft.Myers!
You have got to be the most unlucky internet warrior in the entire history of shit talking internet tough guys. If you want to throw down sometime my friend, then so be it. I have no problem showcasing my skills because unlike you I am prepared to do so.
You have got a very serious decision to make at this point. You can either shut your mouth and stop with the hollow internet message board challenges or you can formally challenge me with a signed invitation from you and your instructor with all the proper forms and waivers. I will be back to town sometime in June or July so if you really want this to happen just say so.
I am guessing you train here right?
David Gallaher's Gung Fu Inst (941) 482-4300
5780 Youngquist Rd Ste 2, Fort Myers, FL 33912
If so, I know exactly where that is.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP,
Jesse Grinstead
INNER CIRCLE SHOOTFIGHTING
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no language like that please.....this threads close to being locked.Kwai-Chang Caine said:
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Kwai-Chang Caine
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Danielson,
Could you please hit me up with an email or a repost of a clean version of what Muscletechsux said in his last post? I am just curious is all. Thanks.
Could you please hit me up with an email or a repost of a clean version of what Muscletechsux said in his last post? I am just curious is all. Thanks.
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kwang ching cock
I said:
Bring it on, my sifu would beat the crap out of your pansy instructor and i would whoop your mma ass, so come get some.
I said:
Bring it on, my sifu would beat the crap out of your pansy instructor and i would whoop your mma ass, so come get some.
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
Show me that you have a pair by going ahead and gathering the proper paper work. I don't want to be liable for that permanent limp you're going to have as a result of a long and enjoyable heel hook. Oh wait, you don't know what a heel hook is, do you?
Again, this is what I need from you:
1. A respectful invitation from your instructor to compete against you at your school.
2. A damage and liability waiver from your instructor stating that I am not liable for any injuries that you may incur as a result of our match.
3. A first draft of the proposed rules that you wish to fight under.
The rules must be no more restrictive than typical MMA rules, but can be as brutal and street wise as you so deem necessary.
As soon as you gather these things, I will email you my fax number. All you will need to do then is just fax me all of the documents. Simple enough, right?
Have a nice day,
Jesse Grinstead
Inner Circle Shootfighting
Show me that you have a pair by going ahead and gathering the proper paper work. I don't want to be liable for that permanent limp you're going to have as a result of a long and enjoyable heel hook. Oh wait, you don't know what a heel hook is, do you?
Again, this is what I need from you:
1. A respectful invitation from your instructor to compete against you at your school.
2. A damage and liability waiver from your instructor stating that I am not liable for any injuries that you may incur as a result of our match.
3. A first draft of the proposed rules that you wish to fight under.
The rules must be no more restrictive than typical MMA rules, but can be as brutal and street wise as you so deem necessary.
As soon as you gather these things, I will email you my fax number. All you will need to do then is just fax me all of the documents. Simple enough, right?
Have a nice day,
Jesse Grinstead
Inner Circle Shootfighting
Kwai-Chang Caine
New member
Thaibox,
Bro, if it happens, I'll definitely be taping it. And I'll make sure that you get an advanced copy.
Peace
Bro, if it happens, I'll definitely be taping it. And I'll make sure that you get an advanced copy.
Peace
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ok i've got all the details you need, what's your fax#? and what about your injury waver? You honestly think you're gonna leave the fight without so much as a scratch on you? lol
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
I sent you my fax number via email.
I sent you my fax number via email.
ZenMachine
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Put me on the list of those interested in seeing this on video.
Zen
Zen
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kwai chang caine
I think you are greatly underestermating me, I have never lost a fight and have taken on 6 big guys at a time and come out on top without a scratch on me, I hope you know what you are getting yourself into, I will also require a liability waver.
I think you are greatly underestermating me, I have never lost a fight and have taken on 6 big guys at a time and come out on top without a scratch on me, I hope you know what you are getting yourself into, I will also require a liability waver.
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
Dude, you bury yourself in more bullsh*t everytime you post. Just shut your mouth and fax me the papers.
YUNGSMOKE,
Here's my bio...
Age:21
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 240lbs
Experience: 5 years of combined martial arts experience in tae kwon do, kung fu, kuk sool won, bujitsu, muay thai, and shootfighting.
Main discipline: Shootfighting-2 years experience
Professional Record: 0-0
Other: For the last two years I have been training and preparing myself to fight in MMA. During this time I have had the luxury of training with a handful of great up and coming professional full contact fighters like Seth Petrocelli, Stu Haselmire, and Scott Johnson. Each of these men have their records posted on www.Sherdog.com. Although I have no professional record, I have helped prepare both Seth Petrocelli (6'2",250lbs) and Stu Haselmire (6'1",245lbs) for fights giving me my fair share of full contact in-ring experience. In short, I have fought A LOT, just not at an actual event. Being a full time college student has made preparing for a professional bout of my own out of the question. I graduate in a week, however, so that may change very soon.
Dude, you bury yourself in more bullsh*t everytime you post. Just shut your mouth and fax me the papers.
YUNGSMOKE,
Here's my bio...
Age:21
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 240lbs
Experience: 5 years of combined martial arts experience in tae kwon do, kung fu, kuk sool won, bujitsu, muay thai, and shootfighting.
Main discipline: Shootfighting-2 years experience
Professional Record: 0-0
Other: For the last two years I have been training and preparing myself to fight in MMA. During this time I have had the luxury of training with a handful of great up and coming professional full contact fighters like Seth Petrocelli, Stu Haselmire, and Scott Johnson. Each of these men have their records posted on www.Sherdog.com. Although I have no professional record, I have helped prepare both Seth Petrocelli (6'2",250lbs) and Stu Haselmire (6'1",245lbs) for fights giving me my fair share of full contact in-ring experience. In short, I have fought A LOT, just not at an actual event. Being a full time college student has made preparing for a professional bout of my own out of the question. I graduate in a week, however, so that may change very soon.
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kwai chang caine
I need papers from you as well
My bio
Age:19
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 236lbs
Experience: started boxing and kickboxing at age 6 since then continued to add and incorperate the following styles into my training: tae kwon do, kyokushin karate, kenpo, hapkido, wing chun, wrestling, jjj, judo and aikido. I also started bjj training a couple of months ago, my main focus and prefered style of combat however is wing chun, most of my training is based around the theories and principals of wing chun and the other arts are added to enhance and patch up weak areas in the art.
for example: My kicks mainly come from taekwondo, kyokushin and kick boxing, my punching comes from mostly boxing, kenpo and some from wing chun(backfist, chain/roll punch), and my locks, throws, takedowns come from wrestling, judo, aikido, jjj and hapkido
I need papers from you as well
My bio
Age:19
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 236lbs
Experience: started boxing and kickboxing at age 6 since then continued to add and incorperate the following styles into my training: tae kwon do, kyokushin karate, kenpo, hapkido, wing chun, wrestling, jjj, judo and aikido. I also started bjj training a couple of months ago, my main focus and prefered style of combat however is wing chun, most of my training is based around the theories and principals of wing chun and the other arts are added to enhance and patch up weak areas in the art.
for example: My kicks mainly come from taekwondo, kyokushin and kick boxing, my punching comes from mostly boxing, kenpo and some from wing chun(backfist, chain/roll punch), and my locks, throws, takedowns come from wrestling, judo, aikido, jjj and hapkido
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Whoah, MUSCLETECHSUX you have been extolling the virues of Wing Chun as an effective style in its own right, saying you would issue a challenge to any mixed martial artist, and now when it comes down to it you admit that you are also schooled in mixed martial arts and that you take things from different styles to make up for the weak points in Wing Chun.
YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOUR OWN ARGUMENT!
On a side note, i would love to see a vid also.
My money is on KCC.
Stu.
YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOUR OWN ARGUMENT!
On a side note, i would love to see a vid also.
This is some funny shit.
My money is on KCC.
Stu.
Kwai-Chang Caine
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I don't buy that he has cross trained that much one bit. No sane cross trained martial artist would ever ride Wing Chun's jock this hard. And furthermore, considering that it's a fact that there isn't any qualified BJJ instructors in the Ft.Myers area, he's a liar to boot. The only notable BJJ instructor in all of southwest florida teaches out of Naples. I am currently in correspondence with this instructor and one of his students, so I can verify that Muscletechsux does not train with a REAL brazilian jiu-jitsu academy.
I honestly don't give a sh*t though. I am still going to wax his chain punching ass like it's my job. Some may say I am being cocky, but you gain a certain level of confidence when you train the way I have. The men I have squared off against in the ring and on the mat make guys like Muscletechsux look pathetic. Again, I am not trying to act hard, I just know where I've been and who I've been with.
I honestly don't give a sh*t though. I am still going to wax his chain punching ass like it's my job. Some may say I am being cocky, but you gain a certain level of confidence when you train the way I have. The men I have squared off against in the ring and on the mat make guys like Muscletechsux look pathetic. Again, I am not trying to act hard, I just know where I've been and who I've been with.
Thaibox
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You don't sound arrogant bro. When someone calls you out, you present what you have to offer. Thats what you're doing. I'm proud of my accomplishments in training, and my amateur and pro record. So, if someone called me out and the only medium between us is typing, I'd lay it all down also.
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first of all i said kung fu was the best overall stylle for self defence imo, i never denied that it hads its weak points, every art does. And Kwai chang caine: Just because i live in ft Myers doesnt mean i train there, and i doubt you know every martial art school in Florida so stop acting like you do. And again you can't honestly say that you will "wax the floor with me" because you don't know me and you've never seen me in action. Likewise with you, I have never seen you fight so i cannot say how good you are, you might whip my ass, you may not, lets find out......
Kwai-Chang Caine
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MUSCLETECHSUX,
It's quite refreshing to see you to show some humility for once. You may gain some respect on this board afterall.
As for us meeting some time to "compete" against one another, I am game if you are. Furthermore, I would much rather have our meeting be a test of skills than an out of control and angry streetfight. I must admit that I think many of your posts have been distasteful and ignorant, but your last post showed inklings of humility and respect. With that being said, I will follow suit and begin to address you with respect, that is, as so long as you keep showing the same due respect to myself and the rest of the martial arts brothers on this board. Besides that, I only really have one piece of advice for you; think about what you say before you say it. At 19 years of age, you still have much to learn. Let your ears and eyes do more work than your mouth does.
It's quite refreshing to see you to show some humility for once. You may gain some respect on this board afterall.
As for us meeting some time to "compete" against one another, I am game if you are. Furthermore, I would much rather have our meeting be a test of skills than an out of control and angry streetfight. I must admit that I think many of your posts have been distasteful and ignorant, but your last post showed inklings of humility and respect. With that being said, I will follow suit and begin to address you with respect, that is, as so long as you keep showing the same due respect to myself and the rest of the martial arts brothers on this board. Besides that, I only really have one piece of advice for you; think about what you say before you say it. At 19 years of age, you still have much to learn. Let your ears and eyes do more work than your mouth does.
FitnessFrk
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to say that any MA would be ineffective in a street fight is an absurd statement. it all depends on how the technique is applied.
cross training is the best, but a solid foundation in one art is the way to go. get your 1st dan in one art, before seeking out another to learn.
my bio:
33 years, 6'0 235 lbs (I'm cutting..)
Ranks achieved and time spent:
Aikido (3.5 years) - 1st Dan
Tae Kwon Do ( 8 years) - 3rd Dan
Kung Fu - ( 1.75 years) - 1st Brown, haven't trained in several months. styles - cobra, white tiger, northern mantis, leopard and monkey.
I've found kung fu to be the most challenged so far due to the complexity of the techniques.
cross training is the best, but a solid foundation in one art is the way to go. get your 1st dan in one art, before seeking out another to learn.
my bio:
33 years, 6'0 235 lbs (I'm cutting..)
Ranks achieved and time spent:
Aikido (3.5 years) - 1st Dan
Tae Kwon Do ( 8 years) - 3rd Dan
Kung Fu - ( 1.75 years) - 1st Brown, haven't trained in several months. styles - cobra, white tiger, northern mantis, leopard and monkey.
I've found kung fu to be the most challenged so far due to the complexity of the techniques.
Thaibox
New member
Kwai-Chang Caine said:
Not from me. This is the classic example of someone who has been caught being a full of shit tough guy, they get called out on it, then they become all respectful. This fight is never going to happen. Isn't it about that time that he tells us all he just injured himself, or his family member died.
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Thaibox you need to shut your mouth pal. You don't know anything about me and you assume that i'm going to pull out of the fight? I could fight like Frank Shamrock for all you know so stop running your mouth when you don't have a clue. And also, when did i suddenly become all respectful all of a sudden as you said? could you please possibly quote that sentence?Thaibox said:
Thaibox
New member
First of all, I don't care how good of a fighter you are, you're still an arrogant asshole.
Secondly, You are on a discussion board where several dedicated lifetime martial artists and professional fighters come to discuss topics. Therefore, bullshit is smelled immediately. You have been caught in so many contradictions and errors in statements, you now have zero credibility.
Third, you need me to quote where you changed attitude? Take a look at your previous posts. Yes, the ones where you were calling Kwai-Chang Caine something about a cock. Then he challenged you and you treated him with respect. How about "hittin niggaz fo skeedz" or whatever the hell that thread was. Hey, how about that pm you sent me saying "I raped your mom." That was pretty respectful to me huh?
Finally, you're 19. Grow up
I'm not going to waste anymore board space with this. So I won't post anymore about this topic until KCC kicks the shit out of your limp little ass. But, I will add in closing that you always have an open invitation to my dojo. If you want to know where it is, I'll e-mail it to you. Have a wonderful day
Secondly, You are on a discussion board where several dedicated lifetime martial artists and professional fighters come to discuss topics. Therefore, bullshit is smelled immediately. You have been caught in so many contradictions and errors in statements, you now have zero credibility.
Third, you need me to quote where you changed attitude? Take a look at your previous posts. Yes, the ones where you were calling Kwai-Chang Caine something about a cock. Then he challenged you and you treated him with respect. How about "hittin niggaz fo skeedz" or whatever the hell that thread was. Hey, how about that pm you sent me saying "I raped your mom." That was pretty respectful to me huh?
Finally, you're 19. Grow up
I'm not going to waste anymore board space with this. So I won't post anymore about this topic until KCC kicks the shit out of your limp little ass. But, I will add in closing that you always have an open invitation to my dojo. If you want to know where it is, I'll e-mail it to you. Have a wonderful day
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Um yeah but how was my post after he challenged me any more respectful than the others?
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huh vietbox???
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