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Sex drive post cycle.

alltraps

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even with pct, which is hcg, nolva and clomid, for double the regular length of time, i still have serious sex drive and eretile problems. is there a chance that if i quit juice for good, i will regain my sex drive to a somewhat acceptable level?

im really considering quiting for life. getting a bit older and dont want to be on. im scared that im gonna have no sex drive or have serious erectile problems. can anyone comment here?
 
to be honest with you.. just speaking for myself.. i have just come off a NPP and tren cycle.. I was shut down hard.. im still working my way back to normal.. I did notice a lack of drive when i got off.. I could still get hard, but i really didnt want to.. lol I would invest in some cialis and not worry about it soo much.. your mind is a very very powerful tool.. if you convince yourself that you cant get hard because you are shut down then i doubt anything will help you.. i convinced myself that i was a younger good looking healthy adult male and i supplemented with some cialis to boost my ego a little more... it worked for me..
I wouldnt think you would need to stay off for good.. it might be age, stress, foods your eating, sleep.. could be a lot of things.. just accept that fact that your body is acting a little differently than it did for the past 3-4 months( or however long you cycled) and just let it do its thing.. itll get back to where you want it!!!!
 
alltraps said:
even with pct, which is hcg, nolva and clomid, for double the regular length of time, i still have serious sex drive and eretile problems. is there a chance that if i quit juice for good, i will regain my sex drive to a somewhat acceptable level?

im really considering quiting for life. getting a bit older and dont want to be on. im scared that im gonna have no sex drive or have serious erectile problems. can anyone comment here?


What gear did you use? Ever considered proviron?
 
the last two years, ive stayed on too much, ive gone as long as 9 months with heavy doses, then was off from august till december of last year, now im on, but considering coming off forever. i just remember when im off, its horrid, cant get hard, and if i do, it goes down half way through sex. ive been off as long as 5 months with little improvement.

proviron worked for me, but again, once i came off that, my libido was shit again. i dont want to be dependant on anything, cialis or prov to keep me good.
 
JuicedAthletics said:
to be honest with you.. just speaking for myself.. i have just come off a NPP and tren cycle.. I was shut down hard.. im still working my way back to normal.. I did notice a lack of drive when i got off.. I could still get hard, but i really didnt want to.. lol I would invest in some cialis and not worry about it soo much.. your mind is a very very powerful tool.. if you convince yourself that you cant get hard because you are shut down then i doubt anything will help you.. i convinced myself that i was a younger good looking healthy adult male and i supplemented with some cialis to boost my ego a little more... it worked for me..
I wouldnt think you would need to stay off for good.. it might be age, stress, foods your eating, sleep.. could be a lot of things.. just accept that fact that your body is acting a little differently than it did for the past 3-4 months( or however long you cycled) and just let it do its thing.. itll get back to where you want it!!!!

Well said...
 
Mr. Black said:
I thought you were on HRT?

nope, i come off all the time, probably not as long as i should. my cycles have gotten longer over the years and the time between them has stayed the same
 
What were you HCG/nolv/clomid doses? I use the same protocol, but with tribulus, maca, avena sativa, and muira puama. My test levels were about 417 ng/dl, with free test in normal/high range following an 8-month cycle. I think the key is to keep estrogen rebound to a minimum and supplement with herbals, it seems to have worked for me; but then again, everyone is different. I probably would use prov/cialis/viagra as a last resort because you will become dependent on it like you said.
 
alltraps said:
nope, i come off all the time, probably not as long as i should. my cycles have gotten longer over the years and the time between them has stayed the same


Maybe its time to get a comprehensive blood test done. Assuming testosterone is your only issue, I suppose you could try a hard core PCT cycle. If that doesn't help, maybe HRT is indeed in your future....
 
alltraps said:
my biggest fear

I am in the same boat as you so I know how you feel. Without any drugs my Bio-T is quite low. I have an average Total testosterone ~17nmol/l (500ng/dl), yet not much is available for my body's use. I havn't done a cycle in 2 years. Unfortunately unless I am on a Dostinex/Proviron combo, libido is complete shit. Even on this cocktail I still don't feel like I should. HRT for me, I believe is inevitable at some point or another. The way I see it, it's better than feeling like shit and having a pissed off wife.
 
Mr. Black said:
I am in the same boat as you so I know how you feel. Without any drugs my Bio-T is quite low. I have an average Total testosterone ~17nmol/l (500ng/dl), yet not much is available for my body's use. I havn't done a cycle in 2 years. Unfortunately unless I am on a Dostinex/Proviron combo, libido is complete shit. Even on this cocktail I still don't feel like I should. HRT for me, I believe is inevitable at some point or another. The way I see it, it's better than feeling like shit and having a pissed off wife.

how old are you?
 
Mr. Black said:
I will be 29 in June

ya, im turning 30 in may. i would consider HRT, but i want kids. i know ulter and others say that hcg will help with that, but idealy, i would like to do it on my own. kinda having a quarter life chrisis here. been messed up about where im at in life as opposed to where i wanted to be by this time. and i think juice isnt a priority anymore. ive been like this before, and got back into juice, but i had a gf the whole time. its hard enough findign a decent girl, let alone one that doesnt mind that you juice.
 
Bro ive been in that boat before when I came off cycle. What did it for me was time, lots of hcg, nolva, clomid, and adex. I was depressed feeling like crap all the time. Thank god im back on track now. Oh i was taking tribulus also. Have you got blood work done yet? Good luck and stay possitive and go see a doc if you havent already.
 
alltraps said:
ya, im turning 30 in may. i would consider HRT, but i want kids. i know ulter and others say that hcg will help with that, but idealy, i would like to do it on my own. kinda having a quarter life chrisis here. been messed up about where im at in life as opposed to where i wanted to be by this time. and i think juice isnt a priority anymore. ive been like this before, and got back into juice, but i had a gf the whole time. its hard enough findign a decent girl, let alone one that doesnt mind that you juice.

Well I just put the 2nd bun in the ol lady's oven so I'm not to worried anymore, but yeah I can relate about the infertility issue. The best thing you can do is get the comprehensive blood test, see whats out of whack and start doing some tweaking as I have done (or run another serious PCT). The addition of dostinex alone bumped my Bio-T up close to double the amount. I will see after the next round of blood tests what the addition of Proviron has done. It was a nasty Deca/Winstrol cycle a few years ago that I attribute this situation to. FUCK Deca! :mad: At any rate a good endo is always helpful. Read Jenetics post below if you have not already done so....


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328406&highlight=shutdown
 
Ulter what do you say about HCG and its use if you are on HRT or on for long periods of time? I hear traps says you said something about this. Can HCG use durign long cycles/ HRT prevent infertilitiy?
 
I've done cycles with no PCT, No not smart but I did and still never had a problem with my Sex Drive
 
JuicedAthletics said:
to be honest with you.. just speaking for myself.. i have just come off a NPP and tren cycle.. I was shut down hard.. im still working my way back to normal.. I did notice a lack of drive when i got off.. I could still get hard, but i really didnt want to.. lol I would invest in some cialis and not worry about it soo much.. your mind is a very very powerful tool.. if you convince yourself that you cant get hard because you are shut down then i doubt anything will help you.. i convinced myself that i was a younger good looking healthy adult male and i supplemented with some cialis to boost my ego a little more... it worked for me..
I wouldnt think you would need to stay off for good.. it might be age, stress, foods your eating, sleep.. could be a lot of things.. just accept that fact that your body is acting a little differently than it did for the past 3-4 months( or however long you cycled) and just let it do its thing.. itll get back to where you want it!!!!

great post, juiced - agree with everything you said 100%

traps, I'm in the same boat as you... just turned 31... seems like night and day between being off and on... definitely lost alot of interest since started being off... I would defintely recommend trying some of the herbals though... they've helped alot... I use avena sativa, tribulus, and maca... really good combo... and for the rare occasion, it wouldn't hurt to use some cialis or something similar.... you have to accept the fact that as you get older, things don't work as well as they used to... and there is no shame in turning to supplements for help... you've resorted to steroids in the first place, didn't you?
 
seems like these threads always involve cycle histories of nandrolones or tren. avoid the progestin based AAS and this problem will rarely occur even with long cycles given a proper PCT, and occasional hcg "breaks" ...

your system needs to be re-trained to respond to the natural hormonal signals ... you need to distance yourself from the progestin influences ... you could run PCT again, I would add 2iu GH/day. the GH will help your system adjust and recover

i hate feeling crashed so if it was me i would probably just do HRT for awhile - get on some T and an anti-aromatase, just find the dose that gives you a "normal" level sex drive ... again best to also add some GH at 2iu/day. then after six months or however long you want to wait, re-attempt PCT, but keep running the GH through PCT. run PCT in the summer not winter get plenty of sunshine

that should fix ya up ... and no more deca/tren
 
alltraps said:
ya, im turning 30 in may. i would consider HRT, but i want kids. i know ulter and others say that hcg will help with that, but idealy, i would like to do it on my own. kinda having a quarter life chrisis here. been messed up about where im at in life as opposed to where i wanted to be by this time. and i think juice isnt a priority anymore. ive been like this before, and got back into juice, but i had a gf the whole time. its hard enough findign a decent girl, let alone one that doesnt mind that you juice.

Bro,

I'm almost 32, and I know a few of my friends (myself included)have gone through some type of crisis at around 30. You turn around and you're 20's are gone, and realize that at some point you've got to finish growing up. Don't worry about what you've done so far- all you should have really accomplished is having some insanely good times/ had lots of sex / and hopefully not done anything to land you in jail or prison. If you've accomplished most of that, you're doing fine. You have you're whole thirties to start a family, make real money etc. Once you get serious about those sorts of things like you did about bodybuilding, you'll have no problems.

Now about you're sex drive...I agree with everyone that basically says your answer is this:

in all probability, your system needs time to get back to normal. I think you'll have to dig in and do some things that will promote your own natural sex drive and hormonal balance. things that helped my sex drive get back to normal during a 2 year layoff from AS (to be sure I could get it back to normal) were:

giving it some time and repeating PCT

Taking more days off from the gym to make sure I was not chronically physically worn out- I never have the same sex drive at the end of day 3 or 4 of heavy training as I do after a day or two of rest

Eating plenty of EFA's

Abstaining from all porn (hard for some I know, but it helped me to naturally stay interested in nailing every real girl next door)

Cialis or viagra- my theory is that these drugs are like stretching a muscle- as long as you don't go overboard and get dependant on it, i think it helps with hardness in the long run once you stop taking it

an NO2 product tended to help me slightly, probably a good thing to add when tossing out the cialis

*I didn't do this but I think adding an herbal regimen as well as GH is a very good idea

In my opinion, if you are trying to get a healthy sex drive back, you have to try to optimize all the things that make you feel good in general. In other words, try to live as well as you can

These things all worked for me (someone who had been prescribed viagra at age 28 and no longer needs any help)

*in fact they worked so well, that I was convinced enough about the human body's adaptive/recuperative processes that I'm now 3 weeks into my first test cycle in 2 years LOL

Good luck, and try to lighten up my friend
 
sonicbeast said:
Bro,

I'm almost 32, and I know a few of my friends (myself included)have gone through some type of crisis at around 30. You turn around and you're 20's are gone, and realize that at some point you've got to finish growing up. Don't worry about what you've done so far- all you should have really accomplished is having some insanely good times/ had lots of sex / and hopefully not done anything to land you in jail or prison. If you've accomplished most of that, you're doing fine. You have you're whole thirties to start a family, make real money etc. Once you get serious about those sorts of things like you did about bodybuilding, you'll have no problems.

Now about you're sex drive...I agree with everyone that basically says your answer is this:

in all probability, your system needs time to get back to normal. I think you'll have to dig in and do some things that will promote your own natural sex drive and hormonal balance. things that helped my sex drive get back to normal during a 2 year layoff from AS (to be sure I could get it back to normal) were:

giving it some time and repeating PCT

Taking more days off from the gym to make sure I was not chronically physically worn out- I never have the same sex drive at the end of day 3 or 4 of heavy training as I do after a day or two of rest

Eating plenty of EFA's

Abstaining from all porn (hard for some I know, but it helped me to naturally stay interested in nailing every real girl next door)

Cialis or viagra- my theory is that these drugs are like stretching a muscle- as long as you don't go overboard and get dependant on it, i think it helps with hardness in the long run once you stop taking it

an NO2 product tended to help me slightly, probably a good thing to add when tossing out the cialis

*I didn't do this but I think adding an herbal regimen as well as GH is a very good idea

In my opinion, if you are trying to get a healthy sex drive back, you have to try to optimize all the things that make you feel good in general. In other words, try to live as well as you can

These things all worked for me (someone who had been prescribed viagra at age 28 and no longer needs any help)

*in fact they worked so well, that I was convinced enough about the human body's adaptive/recuperative processes that I'm now 3 weeks into my first test cycle in 2 years LOL

Good luck, and try to lighten up my friend

thanks, good advice
 
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