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severe acid reflux (gerd) put me in the ER

nygiants

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this isnt the occasional indigestion cured by over the counter meds or even the prescribed proton pump inhibitor (PPI) like Omeprazole.

ive had the minor bouts before. This is something else. Basically if i continue the path im on; im looking at something pretty serious. the writing is on the wall. I actually thought i was having a heart attack but the heart checked out.

i havent had such issues with the traditional test/deca or test/mast with HCG 2x/week with Amiredex .5mg/eod

its when i integrated EQ and/or tren. I know tren is bad news for many. But its really when i started the EQ that things got really bad. Which is lousy because its the only gear that really leans me out.

Right now my plan is to never touch eq or tren ever again. Get my stomach 100% and maybe start over with a low dosage test only cycle and work my way back up from there. But still nervous thinking about it. i really dont want to lose my gains but im not sure there is any other way. doc confirmed that the steroids are the reason for the extra acid. If i keep going on this path; im looking at another camera down my throat test (some PH study) and possibly surgery to correct what broken.

guys; anyone else go through this? Ive read a few posts that talk about adding glutamine and it helps. I already take 3G of Glutamine a day in the AM.

doc has me on Omeprazole 40mg 2x/day which is max dose. I left the ER with another med called sucralfate 1g (taken 4x/day for 5 days). this seems to really put out the fire for now but it is a short term fix and not meant to stay on long term. My diet is very clean. High protein low fat.

i already had an endoscapy and all came up clean. Im simply producing more acid than my body can handle and the max meds arent working. I have been using gear for over 25 years (im 52). always a low/mid dose guy....not an abuser and ive never had issues like this before. so i have a choice to make. give up the gear forever or make some serious modifications. i doubt adding some extra glutaimine is the fix here. any suggestions are appreciated!
 
Primobolan would have a much better leaning out effect than eq ever could or would so thats a better option. SARMS would be the far better and safer option not to mention they would lean you out far more as well.
 
tren and harsh steroids absolutely do a number on the gut. but also take a look at the foods you are eating

i tell guys all the time to google FODMAP chart. stick to a low fodmap diet. garlic and onions are a killer and they are in everything, especially restaurant food. you really need to know what goes into your body. also stay away from tomato sauce, it is a killer too
 
nygiants said:
this isnt the occasional indigestion cured by over the counter meds or even the prescribed proton pump inhibitor (PPI) like Omeprazole.

ive had the minor bouts before. This is something else. Basically if i continue the path im on; im looking at something pretty serious. the writing is on the wall. I actually thought i was having a heart attack but the heart checked out.

i havent had such issues with the traditional test/deca or test/mast with HCG 2x/week with Amiredex .5mg/eod

its when i integrated EQ and/or tren. I know tren is bad news for many. But its really when i started the EQ that things got really bad. Which is lousy because its the only gear that really leans me out.

Right now my plan is to never touch eq or tren ever again. Get my stomach 100% and maybe start over with a low dosage test only cycle and work my way back up from there. But still nervous thinking about it. i really dont want to lose my gains but im not sure there is any other way. doc confirmed that the steroids are the reason for the extra acid. If i keep going on this path; im looking at another camera down my throat test (some PH study) and possibly surgery to correct what broken.

guys; anyone else go through this? Ive read a few posts that talk about adding glutamine and it helps. I already take 3G of Glutamine a day in the AM.

doc has me on Omeprazole 40mg 2x/day which is max dose. I left the ER with another med called sucralfate 1g (taken 4x/day for 5 days). this seems to really put out the fire for now but it is a short term fix and not meant to stay on long term. My diet is very clean. High protein low fat.

i already had an endoscapy and all came up clean. Im simply producing more acid than my body can handle and the max meds arent working. I have been using gear for over 25 years (im 52). always a low/mid dose guy....not an abuser and ive never had issues like this before. so i have a choice to make. give up the gear forever or make some serious modifications. i doubt adding some extra glutaimine is the fix here. any suggestions are appreciated!
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@nygiants glad to hear you're ok
but you know this is the exact reason we ask all guys to run log journals of diet training cardio and more on EF, this way we could have guided you to a better digestive situation.

First suggestions
take daily probiotics normal ones and spore based probiotics
with each meal take digestive enzymes with proboitics
and take 20 grams psyllium husk fiber per day (powder)

going back on TRT testosterone dose is perfect, start with 150mgs testosterone/week and go slow add n2guard for organ liver support to stay safe

and start your LOG journal of diet training cardio sleep for us to guide you further

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daily probiotics digestive enzymes and psyllium husk a must for your diet and a LOG a must
 
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I've never had this issue and I can't see how an injectable would cause this
 
I am currently on 40 mg of prescribed Protinix daily, about a year ago I had to go to the ER coughing and throwing up alot of blood, I have had acid reflux for years mainly from a gainers diet, I tried Prilosec for a long time but I have to have discipline with my diet now , no spicy food no eating 2 hours before bed time. they went down my throat with a camera twice found nothing. I don't think it's the riods cousing your problems with your GI, but the high blood pressure can cause a heart attack! no matter what you need to fix your diet. hope this helps and good luck
 
Definitely need to do a eliminate style duet and find what works well with you and what doesn't. Definitely get the blood pressure in check
 
Guys it's been a minute since posted the original message here.

I ended up in the ER a 2nd time.

Here is the really short version of what's going on with me and what I think is happening.

I had every test possible for cardio, GI and lung. CAT scans, endoscopy, nuclear stress test and a bunch more. I have passed all tests with all of these 3 docs. Also saw an endocrinologist. Took a bunch of blood and no issues seen.

Outside of accumulating a ton of medical bills I got myself a clean bill of health. Arteries fine. Lungs fine. Digestive system fine. Blood pressure fine. Cholesterol now fine (with meds Started last year) literally zero issues.

I ended up in the ER both times due to shortness of breath. Very scary and thought I was going to bite it multiple times.

Yet I'm in perfect health as it turns out. So why then?

No one knows for sure. The only thing that i was technically diagnosed with was mild acid reflux. But no one can explain the extreme shortness of breath I was dealing with.

I chose not to be fully open about my steroid usage. I have my reasons. But I hinted at it just because I wanted answers.

And the best I got was sure they can cause inflammation and cause reflux, etc

So I decided to go off my cycle cold turkey. And after about a month my symptoms dissipated.

About 6 weeks off I'm just about back to normal. No more shortness of breath.

Of course I'm weak as shit now and starting lose all that I've worked for.

So yesterday after speaking with a couple of buddies of mine in the gym, I decided to go back in very slowley. Test cyp only. 1 cc. 250mg. That's it. Genza cyp 250 from naps.

And within an hour I started to feel that discomfort in the same exact place in my chest. That results in having shortness of breath.

It was slight. I ended up going to the gym and having a decent workout with no issues. Came home. Ate. Went out. Later that night here it comes. Almost right back to where I was 4 weeks prior.

Guys I really think I'm having an allergic reaction of some kind.

I've done some reading and people do get allergic reactions to the oil. And that there are different kinds of oil. Test c and test e use different kinds of oil.

During these issues I switched between genza sus 300 and test c and had the same issues.

I have never had these issues and I'm wondering If either just out of no where i developed an allergy. Or is there a possibility of a bad batch of gear out there.

If I'm Injecting something that I'm allergic to. This could be the source of all my issues. But there is no doctor that can validate this.

It's pretty clear. I stop taking what I have and I feel better. I start and the issues start.

I'm in perfect health.

I'm going to toss out all that I have. But I don't want to stop taking gear.

Try a different brand? Try a different vender?

Assuming I'm right what is the safest path here?
 
the ER is not the place to get properly diagnosed with anything man. you need to go see a specialist.. if you aren't sure find a good primary doctor and they can refer you somewhere. my doctor is incredible, she has done a lot for me over the years with sending me to the right places. ER doctors simply do not have the time or care to do anything except get you in and out
 
nygiants said:
Guys it's been a minute since posted the original message here.

I ended up in the ER a 2nd time.

Here is the really short version of what's going on with me and what I think is happening.

I had every test possible for cardio, GI and lung. CAT scans, endoscopy, nuclear stress test and a bunch more. I have passed all tests with all of these 3 docs. Also saw an endocrinologist. Took a bunch of blood and no issues seen.

Outside of accumulating a ton of medical bills I got myself a clean bill of health. Arteries fine. Lungs fine. Digestive system fine. Blood pressure fine. Cholesterol now fine (with meds Started last year) literally zero issues.

I ended up in the ER both times due to shortness of breath. Very scary and thought I was going to bite it multiple times.

Yet I'm in perfect health as it turns out. So why then?

No one knows for sure. The only thing that i was technically diagnosed with was mild acid reflux. But no one can explain the extreme shortness of breath I was dealing with.

I chose not to be fully open about my steroid usage. I have my reasons. But I hinted at it just because I wanted answers.

And the best I got was sure they can cause inflammation and cause reflux, etc

So I decided to go off my cycle cold turkey. And after about a month my symptoms dissipated.

About 6 weeks off I'm just about back to normal. No more shortness of breath.

Of course I'm weak as shit now and starting lose all that I've worked for.

So yesterday after speaking with a couple of buddies of mine in the gym, I decided to go back in very slowley. Test cyp only. 1 cc. 250mg. That's it. Genza cyp 250 from naps.

And within an hour I started to feel that discomfort in the same exact place in my chest. That results in having shortness of breath.

It was slight. I ended up going to the gym and having a decent workout with no issues. Came home. Ate. Went out. Later that night here it comes. Almost right back to where I was 4 weeks prior.

Guys I really think I'm having an allergic reaction of some kind.

I've done some reading and people do get allergic reactions to the oil. And that there are different kinds of oil. Test c and test e use different kinds of oil.

During these issues I switched between genza sus 300 and test c and had the same issues.

I have never had these issues and I'm wondering If either just out of no where i developed an allergy. Or is there a possibility of a bad batch of gear out there.

If I'm Injecting something that I'm allergic to. This could be the source of all my issues. But there is no doctor that can validate this.

It's pretty clear. I stop taking what I have and I feel better. I start and the issues start.

I'm in perfect health.

I'm going to toss out all that I have. But I don't want to stop taking gear.

Try a different brand? Try a different vender?

Assuming I'm right what is the safest path here?
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@nygiants you are likely allergic to the carrier oil thats the issue, switch to a different brand with different carrier oil and see but really why haven't you started a log journal on EF? we are watching you go to ER and know NOTHING about you! You ask for guidance but not giving us a LOG.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

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For context before I start at the bottom of this are photos of what I looked like after 8 years of hard training other then over the counter supplements I used nothing else I built my base the correct way. Trt didn't come into the picture till I was in my 30s what you see with these photos is...
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This guy's Test/Var/Proviron Cycle Log

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Lymes cycle log

I’m starting 500 test-e for 10 weeks. I’ve been on antibiotics for lymes for 5 days. I know this isn’t a legit cycle and pretty boring but wanted to put it out there in case anyone ever has same problem. Seems Unlikely, considering this seems out of ordinary to me, but I’m planning to use test...
www.elitefitness.com www.elitefitness.com

My Trenbolone winstrol Log

I will start the log here and keep it updated. Main goal of the cycle is to lose fat and weight while maintaining strength and possibly gaining some lean mass. I've done this successfully on my last 2 cycles. My diet while on this was 20/4 IF and keto. I would work out fasted, eat keto...
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you sound like a smart guy yet i still dont see your LOG journal posted why not?
 
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nygiants said:
Guys it's been a minute since posted the original message here.

I ended up in the ER a 2nd time.

Here is the really short version of what's going on with me and what I think is happening.

I had every test possible for cardio, GI and lung. CAT scans, endoscopy, nuclear stress test and a bunch more. I have passed all tests with all of these 3 docs. Also saw an endocrinologist. Took a bunch of blood and no issues seen.

Outside of accumulating a ton of medical bills I got myself a clean bill of health. Arteries fine. Lungs fine. Digestive system fine. Blood pressure fine. Cholesterol now fine (with meds Started last year) literally zero issues.

I ended up in the ER both times due to shortness of breath. Very scary and thought I was going to bite it multiple times.

Yet I'm in perfect health as it turns out. So why then?

No one knows for sure. The only thing that i was technically diagnosed with was mild acid reflux. But no one can explain the extreme shortness of breath I was dealing with.

I chose not to be fully open about my steroid usage. I have my reasons. But I hinted at it just because I wanted answers.

And the best I got was sure they can cause inflammation and cause reflux, etc

So I decided to go off my cycle cold turkey. And after about a month my symptoms dissipated.

About 6 weeks off I'm just about back to normal. No more shortness of breath.

Of course I'm weak as shit now and starting lose all that I've worked for.

So yesterday after speaking with a couple of buddies of mine in the gym, I decided to go back in very slowley. Test cyp only. 1 cc. 250mg. That's it. Genza cyp 250 from naps.

And within an hour I started to feel that discomfort in the same exact place in my chest. That results in having shortness of breath.

It was slight. I ended up going to the gym and having a decent workout with no issues. Came home. Ate. Went out. Later that night here it comes. Almost right back to where I was 4 weeks prior.

Guys I really think I'm having an allergic reaction of some kind.

I've done some reading and people do get allergic reactions to the oil. And that there are different kinds of oil. Test c and test e use different kinds of oil.

During these issues I switched between genza sus 300 and test c and had the same issues.

I have never had these issues and I'm wondering If either just out of no where i developed an allergy. Or is there a possibility of a bad batch of gear out there.

If I'm Injecting something that I'm allergic to. This could be the source of all my issues. But there is no doctor that can validate this.

It's pretty clear. I stop taking what I have and I feel better. I start and the issues start.

I'm in perfect health.

I'm going to toss out all that I have. But I don't want to stop taking gear.

Try a different brand? Try a different vender?

Assuming I'm right what is the safest path here?
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I would try and find out geneza carrier oil and try a diff brand that uses diff carrier oil
 
To my knowledge the majority of labs utilize some variant of mct oil to hold the compound in the vial. Some use mig812 and some use mig840 if you look up those two names I gave you then u can read all about mig812 and mig840 carrier oil, I suspect it is a reaction. I know for me with para pharma they use mct oil and I haven't had ant reactions or issues and it is my first time using injectable with mct oil or mig812 .
 
So guys. I think we can pretty much conclude it's what I injected into my body.

Been using naps/genza for years. Odd I'm having issues now but I'm done trying to solve this. If I'm going to continue to cycle id prefer to take my business elsewhere.

I'm not sure this is the right place to ask but is there another naps out there with a solid reputation and while at it. A reliable brand not genza?

I have about a grand worth of gear I'm going to have to dump. Shame but oh well. Health first.


Any insight is appreciated!
 
OK guys, so I'm about 95% sure I know what caused all of this.

As I mentioned throughout this thread I've always been a creature of habit. I do not stray too far from what has worked for me. My diet, my workout and the gear I use (carrier/brand, type and dosage). Getting a little acid reflux is one thing and I have dealt with that in the past. Typically very manageable with over the counter and some common sense.

this was NOT that.

Something was really off here. Severe palpitations that lead to shortness of breath was another level. The best all of these docs and tests could come up with was inflammation somewhere in my digestive track; which steroids can be a direct cause of.

But again this was next level; I thought i was going to pack it in for a min there.

Anyway, I went back through my notes and there is something glaring around the time of the start of all of these issues. I mixed brands. Now If I broke some kind of golden rule that all of you guys are aware of; then yep i messed up. I had always used Genza from NAPS for years with zero issues. In mid 2021 i switched to Dragon Pharma from NAPS because they were out of Genza. I got a bunch of dragon stuff. mainly test/eq blend. I ran on Dragon for the next 18 months (coming off here and there). No real issues to report. End of last year and early this year i was running low so I restocked but back to Genza. So i ended up with a mix of gear. So without thinking, between feb and June (when things came to a head), I was mixing in the same syringe genza/dragon; i.e. 1 CC dragon test/eq 200/200 & 1 CC genza Test cyp 250. At one point, i may have added some tren enan 200.

I have never mixed brands before. Im sure they all use diff oils.

I gave my body a breadk by coming off of all in August. A solid 6 weeks off. All symptoms disapeared. I went back on Genza test cyp only. 250/2x a week since mid oct; zero issues so far.
 
nygiants said:
OK guys, so I'm about 95% sure I know what caused all of this.

As I mentioned throughout this thread I've always been a creature of habit. I do not stray too far from what has worked for me. My diet, my workout and the gear I use (carrier/brand, type and dosage). Getting a little acid reflux is one thing and I have dealt with that in the past. Typically very manageable with over the counter and some common sense.

this was NOT that.

Something was really off here. Severe palpitations that lead to shortness of breath was another level. The best all of these docs and tests could come up with was inflammation somewhere in my digestive track; which steroids can be a direct cause of.

But again this was next level; I thought i was going to pack it in for a min there.

Anyway, I went back through my notes and there is something glaring around the time of the start of all of these issues. I mixed brands. Now If I broke some kind of golden rule that all of you guys are aware of; then yep i messed up. I had always used Genza from NAPS for years with zero issues. In mid 2021 i switched to Dragon Pharma from NAPS because they were out of Genza. I got a bunch of dragon stuff. mainly test/eq blend. I ran on Dragon for the next 18 months (coming off here and there). No real issues to report. End of last year and early this year i was running low so I restocked but back to Genza. So i ended up with a mix of gear. So without thinking, between feb and June (when things came to a head), I was mixing in the same syringe genza/dragon; i.e. 1 CC dragon test/eq 200/200 & 1 CC genza Test cyp 250. At one point, i may have added some tren enan 200.

I have never mixed brands before. Im sure they all use diff oils.

I gave my body a breadk by coming off of all in August. A solid 6 weeks off. All symptoms disapeared. I went back on Genza test cyp only. 250/2x a week since mid oct; zero issues so far.
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@nygiants hard to say whats going on to be honest. Seems you have resolved some of it and got the bottom of it but can you tell us why you refuse to update your log?

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you started the log and did no updates, we all supported you and backed you but no updates
for many months now, can you at least come back and update your log for us? and keep updating so we can avoid issues for you long term
 
nygiants said:
OK guys, so I'm about 95% sure I know what caused all of this.

As I mentioned throughout this thread I've always been a creature of habit. I do not stray too far from what has worked for me. My diet, my workout and the gear I use (carrier/brand, type and dosage). Getting a little acid reflux is one thing and I have dealt with that in the past. Typically very manageable with over the counter and some common sense.

this was NOT that.

Something was really off here. Severe palpitations that lead to shortness of breath was another level. The best all of these docs and tests could come up with was inflammation somewhere in my digestive track; which steroids can be a direct cause of.

But again this was next level; I thought i was going to pack it in for a min there.

Anyway, I went back through my notes and there is something glaring around the time of the start of all of these issues. I mixed brands. Now If I broke some kind of golden rule that all of you guys are aware of; then yep i messed up. I had always used Genza from NAPS for years with zero issues. In mid 2021 i switched to Dragon Pharma from NAPS because they were out of Genza. I got a bunch of dragon stuff. mainly test/eq blend. I ran on Dragon for the next 18 months (coming off here and there). No real issues to report. End of last year and early this year i was running low so I restocked but back to Genza. So i ended up with a mix of gear. So without thinking, between feb and June (when things came to a head), I was mixing in the same syringe genza/dragon; i.e. 1 CC dragon test/eq 200/200 & 1 CC genza Test cyp 250. At one point, i may have added some tren enan 200.

I have never mixed brands before. Im sure they all use diff oils.

I gave my body a breadk by coming off of all in August. A solid 6 weeks off. All symptoms disapeared. I went back on Genza test cyp only. 250/2x a week since mid oct; zero issues so far.
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Only so many oils but yes it's not always the same
 
the_alcatraz said:
@nygiants hard to say whats going on to be honest. Seems you have resolved some of it and got the bottom of it but can you tell us why you refuse to update your log?

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I'm currently 52. im 5' 8' , currently 180 (but lost 12lbs due to current medical issues); currently 12% BF. when i was 22 i did my first cycle. money and knowledge (no internet and discussion forums) being an issue back then; i was inconsistent with my gear usage. But did adapt good eating...
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you started the log and did no updates, we all supported you and backed you but no updates
for many months now, can you at least come back and update your log for us? and keep updating so we can avoid issues for you long term
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i have no updates other than what i just typed.

what exactly do you want to know? ive changed nothing about anything for the past 10 years. All is exactly the same. the only thing i missed noting is what i just typed in my last reply about mixing.
 
definitely update your information by getting a log up and going
this way we can track each one of your injections and if something is off we can give you more eyes on the situation
 
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hope to see a log out of you
i'm really looking forward to reading it and helping you more
 
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that is going to be the key to coming to a full conclusion as to what happened here
 
nygiants said:
i have no updates other than what i just typed.

what exactly do you want to know? ive changed nothing about anything for the past 10 years. All is exactly the same. the only thing i missed noting is what i just typed in my last reply about mixing.
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@nygiants you saying you told us all your diet and all your training EVERY day in 1 post? I think we need to talk more
I dont think so and if you have your training not changing there are real issues with what you're doing
diet not changing? i doubt it
many things you didnt update, your injection schedule and so on
we need you to update the log if you want to keep going otherwise you just jumping in and out
 
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