Serostim Vs. Humatrope!

[the crypt]

a very knowledgable bodybuilder i know recently told me that HUMATROPE was the best GH to use, period. he went on bashing SEROSTIM saying that it causes alot of water retention and more side effects due to it's poor quality. he basically ripped on serostim and said it was shit. he said humatrope works like GH is "supposed to". this guy has many years of experience with bodybuilding drugs, has a stellar physique, and is no dummy. i thought GH is GH no matter what brand, same molecule: 191 amino acid chain, right? any thoughts on this guy's comments?

 

[genarr4]

PM IronMaster. He's very knowledgeable on the subject of HGH.

 

[ironmaster]

That's silly. All real rhGH is the same........human growth hormone produced by recombinant DNA technology has 191 amino acid residues and a molecular weight of 22,125 daltons. Otherwise it would not be human.
Serostim is the number one most prescribed brand in the world.....probably because Serono's processing procedure creates a synthetic hormone so stable that it does not require refrigeration prior to mixing. Humatrope does require refrigeration at all times, which makes a black market purchase somewhat risky. How is one to know if it has been properly handled?
GH distinctions are personal, not chemical. I prefer Nutropin Depot because of it's time-release linear delivery system. One injection every 3 to 4 weeks. Some prefer Humatrope because they like the auto mixing pen. Others like Serostim because they don't want to worry about refrigeration problems. All these products, and others like Genotropin and the Chinese brands, are good.
Genarr4 knows his stuff too, he is just being kind to the elderly. He has been around a very long time, is an accomplished bodybuilder and lost what.....5000 posts somehow......but didn't cry because he doesn't need a big post count or title to feel important. One of my favorite people.

 

[Juice Authority]

a very knowledgable bodybuilder i know recently told me that HUMATROPE was the best GH to use, period. he went on bashing SEROSTIM saying that it causes alot of water retention and more side effects due to it's poor quality. he basically ripped on serostim and said it was shit. he said humatrope works like GH is "supposed to". this guy has many years of experience with bodybuilding drugs, has a stellar physique, and is no dummy. i thought GH is GH no matter what brand, same molecule: 191 amino acid chain, right? any thoughts on this guy's comments?

ironmaster is absolutely correct in saying that Humatrope needs to be refrigerated at all times so there is no real way to know how it was handled through the food chain. When I did Humatrope I bought it in TJ from a Vet Store and transported it on ice to my nice home in Southern California. Humatrope is very expensive compared to Serostim, which is probably why Serostim is prescribed by the medical community and more popular amongst the body building community. In comparing the results from both I would have say that results I got from Humatrope far outweighted the results from Serostim. I have to preface that with saying that I used Humatrope in conjuction with other AAS whereas I used Serostim by itself.

 

[DrJMW]

a very knowledgable bodybuilder i know recently told me that HUMATROPE was the best GH to use, period. he went on bashing SEROSTIM saying that it causes alot of water retention and more side effects due to it's poor quality. he basically ripped on serostim and said it was shit. he said humatrope works like GH is "supposed to". this guy has many years of experience with bodybuilding drugs, has a stellar physique, and is no dummy. i thought GH is GH no matter what brand, same molecule: 191 amino acid chain, right? any thoughts on this guy's comments?

He is wrong. The problem with serostim is that is is easily counterfeited/faked. Even established pharmacies and drugstores have been stuck with fakes. Assuming legitimacy, Serostim and Humatrope are chemically identical. Generic somatropin is chemically identical. Foreign brands are chemically identical. The problem is getting legitimate HGH, period. It is easy to get affordable, legitimate HGH if you know where to look.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Re: Re: Serostim Vs. Humatrope!

In comparing the results from both I would have say that results I got from Humatrope far outweighted the results from Serostim. I have to preface that with saying that I used Humatrope in conjuction with other AAS whereas I used Serostim by itself.

I remeber reading a study or an article last year saying that you need 2x's the amount of Serostim to equal the effectiveness of Humatrope. Humatrope does seem to be a more effective brand of HGH, but Serostim is far more easily transported and available.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Re: Serostim Vs. Humatrope!

I remeber reading a study or an article last year saying that you need 2x's the amount of Serostim to equal the effectiveness of Humatrope. Humatrope does seem to be a more effective brand of HGH, but Serostim is far more easily transported and available.

Interesting. You might find this study of interest I posted a while back on FG.

The truth about Serostim:

http://www.medibolics.com/GHMuscle2.htm

"Several studies of HIV(-) subjects indicate that growth hormone does not increase the portion of the lean body mass (LBM) that is known as muscle, even though growth hormone does increase "lean body mass". Note that LBM describes several compartments of tissue that include muscle, connective tissue, bone, organs, and water, too. These studies found that the increase in LBM with growth hormone in HIV(-) subjects consists of tissue other than muscle. Actually the increase in LBM appears to be mostly water, with perhaps a little connective tissue, and some organ tissue, too. (It should be underlined that organ tissue, like muscle tissue, wastes in HIV, and rebuilding of organ tissue by growth hormone could be an important effect that may improve overall health and survival.)"

Serono studied their serostim to combat the side effects Lipodystrophy in HIV population. A re-distribution of fat around the trunk area and upper back. Since then, HIV cocktails have gotten much better in keeping patients healther thus eliminating the waisting syndrome that is caused by AIDS. North Shore University Hospital, Manhassett NY. conducted a study in HIV + people, who were NOT advanced in there disease, a 16 week study of Serostim @ 18iu's p/d. They were looking to see if there were any lean muscle mass gained at 16 weeks. They did, a whole 3 lbs were gained on 18iu's p/d. No androgens at all were used. Just serostim. That is why is so readaly avalable on the street and nothing else is. Serono will never publish there findings because they know the cost of $1700 per kit, per week all for 3 lbs of lean mass will get them pulled of every medicade and ADAP formulary accross the country for AIDS patients.

 

[celica]

i like saizen the best

 

[ironmaster]

For the record, gents.........GH alone, no matter what the brand, does NOT cause skeletal muscle growth. This was well established in studies by Yarasheski, et. al. years ago. Humatrope, Serostim, Saizen.........doesn't matter.
However, exoGH along with sufficient endo or exo IGF-1, testosterone and insulin and RESISTANCE TRAINING (not too many aids people lift weights)will cause one to gain lean body mass including skeletal muscle tissue.
J.A. saw better results with humatrope because he used it with gear, as he said.
Again, all synthetic human growth hormone is the same. The only way humatrope would yield better results is if a higher or more concentrated dose was used........or, if the Serostim was fake. As DrJMW points out, this has been a big problem in the past with Serostim. (Serono now has eliminated the old system of distribution by cutting out the middleman and selling direct to pharmacies, so it should not be a problem in the future.)
ExoGH is used for AIDS patients primarily as a boost for the immune system (aquired immune deficiency=AIDS), not as a weight gainer. They get A-bombs for gross weight loss.
celica, Saizen is made by the same company, Serono, that makes Serostim and is identical except in concentration.

 

[drrman]

hey ironmaster, what do you think of the new genotropin kits?