Seriously........Whats next???

[Trademark]

Ok, I am 33 and feel that I have reached my genetic limit. My begining weight was

128lbs at 20 years old and height was 5' 10", my biceps where like 13 inches cold and my max bench press was about 155

Now at 33 my weight is a steady 198 lbs (lean) off cycle at 5'10". My biceps are 18 1/4 inches cold and bench press is 385lbs. I spent the first 10 years lifting natural and gained about 60 lbs before I started experminting with AAS. I have done 4 cycles and gained some weight but loose most with in a few months. A typical cycle I would do is:

Test @ 500mg 12 wks
Naposim @ 25mg 1-4
Deca @ 200mg wks 2-9

The last 2 cycles I have done I ended up back at the same weight of 198lbs within 2-3 months after finishing pct. The problem is that I want to be bigger and don't want to use mega doses of AAS. So I guess the question is, is HGH the key to getting bigger. I don't want to just bloat up with water for 12 weeks with AAS but to add more muscle. I have never done any research on HGH but thought instead I would ask your advice first. Whats next????

 

[macrophage69alpha]

what is your PCT?

you have only put on 10lbs with your cycles? something is not right there.

 

[Trademark]

what is your PCT?

you have only put on 10lbs with your cycles? something is not right there.

I have only been able to maintain 10 lbs post cycle. On cycle I am about 210 lean. I usualy taper off with low doses of anavar and continue using low doses of anavar (about 5mg ed) until I finish hcg.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

clomid? due you use an AI during cycle? afterwards?

if you are using HCG alone for your PCT, after using nandrolone then thats the problem.

 

[Trademark]

clomid? due you use an AI during cycle? afterwards?

if you are using HCG alone for your PCT, after using nandrolone then thats the problem.

I used clomid for the first 2 cycles but the side effects (blured my vision while using it) made me feel uncomfortable. Basicly I felt like S##t using it. Clomid I would use post cycle.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

did you frontload? if so thats the reason for the shitty sides.

clomid should be used post cycle 50mg ED, no frontload.

you should use an AI both during and after your cycle (aromasin or AIFM).

you should consider using EQ instead of nandrolone (or stopping nandrolone well before ending cycle).

 

[Trademark]

did you frontload? if so thats the reason for the shitty sides.

clomid should be used post cycle 50mg ED, no frontload.

you should use an AI both during and after your cycle (aromasin or AIFM).

you should consider using EQ instead of nandrolone (or stopping nandrolone well before ending cycle).

Sorry bro, Not sure what you mean by front load. And yes 50mg ed is what I would use. I think for one of the weeks I used 100mg ed. Any thoughts on the HGH issue?

 

[BigCracker]

Sorry bro, Not sure what you mean by front load. And yes 50mg ed is what I would use. I think for one of the weeks I used 100mg ed. Any thoughts on the HGH issue?

Front load is a term to describe using a compound(often an oral) to kickstart your cycle in the begining weeks.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Sorry bro, Not sure what you mean by front load. I think for one of the weeks I used 100mg ed.

thats frontloading

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Any thoughts on the HGH issue?

think you need to get your PCT in order and perhaps consider different compounds, though there is certainly nothing wrong with adding HGH. And it may enhance and help solidify your gains

 

[elmrod]

get ur pct spot on and change ur cycle around a bit b4 u think bout hgh or ul b wasting ur money bro.

 

[ViperHMS]

Wow am I the only one thinking about diet here? Are you eating enough calories to maintain your new weight after cycle?

 

[silver_shadow]

Wow am I the only one thinking about diet here? Are you eating enough calories to maintain your new weight after cycle?

i was wondering about that as well as training - but i'm guessing the dude knows his shit, given the progress and those numbers.
so you say that last few cycles you've gone with only HCG during PCT?
what about training - do you reduce the amount of volume (no of working sets, no of exercises), keeping weights relatively high during PCT or do you train the same way (as on cycle) and end up burning out?

 

[JKurz1]

Wow am I the only one thinking about diet here? Are you eating enough calories to maintain your new weight after cycle?

Bingo!

 

[njmuscleguy]

Wow am I the only one thinking about diet here? Are you eating enough calories to maintain your new weight after cycle?

DAMN, you beat me to it! I'm sure diet is the key here! Yes, you'll only gain 10lbs during a cycle if you're on a calorie-restricted diet or if you're just plain not eating enough!! I used to wonder how I could only gain 10lbs on an avg cycle and hear other guys claim 20lbs or more.... hell, I can gain 10lbs off-cycle now with the right diet (relatively clean too).

 

[get456]

I was jumping to the bottom to reply "DIET!" as well

you keep saying "lean, lean lean" my guess is you are so worried about gaining some fat that you are restricting your calorie intake too much.

Therefore your body has no way of maintaining what you have gained.

 

[Trademark]

Well, admit I should consume a little more calories, however, I have a difficult time mantaining fat as well. Off cycle I usually consume about 3800 calories a day. The last cycle I was lilkely only taking in about 4000 calories a day. I usually eat clean. Tenderloin steaks, chicken, tuna, rice and alot of pasta but enjoy the ocasional pizza or wopper. Training stays about the same on and off cycle.

I lift heavy in everything I do keeping reps in the 6-8 rep range and often pyrmaid to my one max rep once I completed a suficent amount of reps for that given excercise. For instance Chest may look like this:

Flat bench
1 set of 10 @ 135 (warm up)
1 set of 8 @ 225
1 set of 8 @ 275
1 set of 8 @ 295
1 set of 7-8 @ 315
1 set of 2 @ 365
1 set of 1 @ 385

Inclined bench
4 sets of 8 @ 245

3-4 sets of fly

On cycle its the same except the ending weight is a little heavier. I am never in the gym loger than 70 minutes. Off cycle is just 50 to 60 minutes. I work out 5 days a week.

As far as calories go, would you recomend a midnight protien shake. I always wake up around 4:00 am starving, my metabolism is very very fast. The first 2.5 months I started working out I kid you not I consumed about 6000+ calories a day never missing one day and hardly put on any fat at all but I put on 27 pounds in that fist 2.5 months.

I was jumping to the bottom to reply "DIET!" as well

you keep saying "lean, lean lean" my guess is you are so worried about gaining some fat that you are restricting your calorie intake too much.

Therefore your body has no way of maintaining what you have gained.

 

[abomb]

Flat bench
1 set of 10 @ 135 (warm up)
1 set of 8 @ 225
1 set of 8 @ 275
1 set of 8 @ 295
1 set of 7-8 @ 315
1 set of 2 @ 365
1 set of 1 @ 385

Too many sets imo.

 

[get456]

As far as calories go, would you recomend a midnight protien shake. I always wake up around 4:00 am starving, my metabolism is very very fast. The first 2.5 months I started working out I kid you not I consumed about 6000+ calories a day never missing one day and hardly put on any fat at all but I put on 27 pounds in that fist 2.5 months.

sounds like u answered your own question... you are taking in 2200 less calories but weigh more


as for sets... dude that is A TON of chest work, i would def cut that in half or more...

of course it really depends on you, everyone is different, but that seems like a lot of sets to me, also, its good to switch stuff up ya know..

maybe try something similar to the 5x5 program.. that would be a radical departure from what you are doing for sure

 

[Trademark]

Ok, so maybe i should do the reverse pymarid program, Start with a heavier weight and work down but in the end do less, Say
Flat bench
1 set of 8 @ 335lbs
2 set of 6 @ 315lbs

Inclined bench something similar

of course have a good warm up.
As far as calories go, what is the most people consume on cycle regardless of your weight?

Have you ever looked at Lee hanyes work out training book? He does huge amounts of sets in that book. Thats the book I bought when I fist started traingin. I started on the beginer level then the intermediate and then the advanced level and still do far less than what he does in sets on the advanced level.

sounds like u answered your own question... you are taking in 2200 less calories but weigh more


as for sets... dude that is A TON of chest work, i would def cut that in half or more...

of course it really depends on you, everyone is different, but that seems like a lot of sets to me, also, its good to switch stuff up ya know..

maybe try something similar to the 5x5 program.. that would be a radical departure from what you are doing for sure

 

[LAN T]

Wow am I the only one thinking about diet here? Are you eating enough calories to maintain your new weight after cycle?

What he said!

 

[BadReligion6699]

Halo!!!!!

 

[silver_shadow]

as the other bro's have pointed out, take a good look at your cal intake.

about your workouts:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6776010&postcount=11
"Even for those on an AAS cycle. Understanding the parameters will help them put more muscle on (holding dosage constant) and maintain their muscle coming off. Long before PCT became the norm, there was one constant. The guys who trained around big lifts and knew to cut volume and frequency in assistance work while maintaining core lifts at relatively high intensity (%1RM) under tolerable post cycle workloads are the ones who kept their muscle (or most of it) with ease even without PCT while the guys in commercial gyms were on a viscious cycle of gaining and then dropping a significant portion of muscle with no idea how or why, waiting and praying for it to stop. Yet you don't hear crap about that on any AAS board and it would really help out."

here's the full thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516361