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semen fertility analysis..just came from Doctor.trying to get wife pregnate

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I just got back from my Doctor. I'm 28yrs old and I have been using AS for
about 5 years on and off. I did three cycles last year test/fina/d-bol/deca/eq now my wife and I are trying to have kids. we have been trying for about 2 years. I knew it would probally be hard since I have used as. I knew I had to get off everything.
I finished my last cycle of test/fina and took a shit load of clomide and we have been trying since. It has been about 5 months and still nothing so
I went and had my sperm tested here are my results. Befor I started taking AS I knew the risk! but I really did want kids at the time. We only want one kid. I plan to go back on after ward but I also want to be disiplent enough to stay off until she get pregnate..


Motility post 1 hr ( 30% ) normal is 40%to90%
Morphology (20% ) normal is (70-90%)
count (3.3million) normal is (20-120million)

Can an one out there help me???
I want to get my sperm count up as soon as possible.. please dont make jokes about this. can any one help. does anyone knoe what I should do.
 
Take 50mg clomid and 1mg anastrozole for the next 4-6 weeks nad have the test done again. I have heard this combo work for others in your situation.
 
I'm sorry about your situation. However, this isn't just a take a shot and the situation is fixed deal. You need to stay off the juice, (although maybe some clomid/HCG therapy would help a little bit). Take some flax oil to help encourage natural endogenous testosterone and leutenizing hormone levels. Also Zinc and Vitamin E. This is all I can think of. It will take time. You need to be disciplined enough to not stick yourself for a while. I hope you get your kid.
 
that would be interesting...

If you do have the resources, why don't you give this a try. Get the test done in 6 weeks.

Week 1: HCG @ 1000 IU 3X, Clomid at 100mg/day, Armidex @
1mg/day
week 2: HCG @ 1000 IU 3X, Clomid @ 50mg/day, Armidex @
1mg/day
week 3-6: HCG @ 1000 IU 2X, Clomid @ 50mg/day, Armidex @
1mg/day, proviron 25mgs/day

Supplement: Zinc, Vitamin E, flax oil
 
Treatments available for male infertility

Drug treatments
Several drugs have been tried to improve the sperm count, including androgens (mesterolone), FSH injections, kallikrein, testolactone, clomiphene, steroids, and antioxidants (vitamins E and C). None of these have been found to be beneficial, though variable successes have been described with steroids for antisperm antibodies and antioxidants, and further studies are awaited.

Intrauterine insemination (IUI)
IUI involves preparing a semen sample in some way, so that higher concentrations of the most motile sperms are selected and injected through the cervix around the time of ovulation. The procedure for the woman is like having a smear test done, and is no more uncomfortable. IUI is often combined with using drugs to stimulate the ovaries to make larger numbers of eggs, which further improves the chances of pregnancy. For male infertility the success rate of ovarian stimulation and IUI is about 7-8% per cycle, as compared to a 2-3% per cycle with no treatment at all.

Intracytoplasmic insemination (ICSI)
ICSI is a type of in vitro fertilisation (IVF) where one sperm is injected directly into one egg to fertilise it. This is useful for men with even very low sperm counts. Sometimes it is possible to retrieve a few sperms from men who have none seen on semen analysis, by taking a testicular biopsy under anaesthetic. IVF is an expensive and psychologically intensive undertaking, not without risk to the woman. The overall success rate is 15-20% per cycle.

Donor insemination (DI)
Many couples decide against the more invasive and expensive treatments such as ICSI, and opt to use donor sperm for IUI. The donors are unknown to the couple and have been thoroughly screened for infections. It is usual to choose a donor whose physical attributes are similar to the partner. For men who have no sperms at all, the only options available are DI, adoption or acceptance of childlessness.
 
MALE REPRODUCTIVE PHYSIOLOGY

The Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Gonadal Axis

The hypothalamus is the integrative center of the reproductive axis and receives messages from both the central nervous system and the testes to regulate the production and secretion of gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH). Neurotransmitters and neuropeptides have both inhibitory and stipulatory influence on the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus releases GnRH in a pulsatile nature which appears to be essential for stimulating the production and release of both luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). Interestingly and paradoxically, after the initial stimulation of these gonadotropins, the exposure to constant GnRH results in inhibition of their release. LH and FSH are produced in the anterior pituitary and are secreted episodically in response to the pulsatile release of GnRH. LH and FSH both bind to specific receptors on the Leydig cells and Sertoli cells within the testis. Testosterone, the major secretory product of the testes, is a primary inhibitor of LH secretion in males. Testosterone may be metabolized in peripheral tissue to the potent androgen dihydrotestosterone or the potent estrogen estradiol. These androgens and estrogens act independently to modulate LH secretion. The mechanism of feedback control of FSH is regulated by a Sertoli cell product called inhibin. Decreases in spermatogenesis are accompanied by decreased production of inhibin and this reduction in negative feedback is associated with reciprocal elevation of FSH levels. Isolated increased levels of FSH constitute an important, sensitive marker of the state of the germinal epithelium.



The Testes

Leydig; Cells

Testosterone is secreted episodically from the Leydig cells in response to LH pulses and has a diurnal pattern, with the peak level in the early morning and the trough level in the late afternoon or early evening. In the intact testis, LH receptors decrease or down-regulate after exogenous LH administration. Large doses of GnRH or its analogs can reduce the numbers of LH receptors and therefore inhibit LH secretion. This has been applied clinically to cause medical castration in men with prostate cancer. Estrogen inhibits some enzymes in the testosterone synthetic pathway and therefore directly effects testosterone production. There also appears to be an intratesticular ultra short loop feedback such that exogenous testosterone will override the effect of LH and inhibit testosterone production. In normal males, only 2% of testosterone is free or unbound. 44% is bound to testosterone-estradiol-binding globulin or TeBG, also called sex hormone-binding globulin. 54% of testosterone is bound to albumin and other proteins. These steroid-binding proteins modulate androgen action. TeBG has a higher affinity for testosterone than for estradiol, and changes in TeBG alter or amplify the hormonal milieu. TeBG levels are increased by estrogens, thyroid administration and cirrhosis of the liver and may be decreased by androgens, growth hormone and obesity. The biological actions of androgens are exerted on target organs that contain specific androgen receptor proteins. Testosterone leaves the circulation and enters the target cells where it is converted to the more potent androgen dihydrotestosterone by an enzyme 5-alpha-reductase. The major functions of androgens in target tissues include 1) regulation of gonadotropin secretion by the hypothalamic-pituitary axis; 2) initiation and maintenance of spermatogenesis; 3) differentiation of the internal and external male genital system during fetal development; and 4) promotion of sexual maturation at puberty.






Male Infertility Overview
Assessment, Diagnosis, and Treatment

Stephen F. Shaban, M.D. Clinical Assistant Professor
Department of Surgery, Division of Urology
University of North Carolina School of Medicine
Chapel Hill, NC.










Hormonal Control of Spermatogenesis
An intimate structural and functional relationship exists between the two separate compartments of the testis, i.e. the seminiferous tubule and the interstitium between the tubules. LH effects spermatogenesis indirectly in that it stimulates androgenous testosterone production. FSH targets Sertoli cells. Therefore, testosterone and PSH are the hormones that are directed at the seminiferous tubule epithelium. Androgen-binding protein which is a Sertoli cell product carries testosterone intracellularly and may serve as a testosterone reservoir within the seminiferous tubules in addition to transporting testosterone from the testis into the epididymal tubule. The physical proximity of the Leydig cells to the seminiferous tubules and the elaboration by the Sertoli cells of androgen-binding protein, cause a high level of testosterone to be maintained in the microenvironment of the developing spermatozoa. The hormonal requirements for initiation of spermatogenesis appear to be independent of the maintenance of spermatogenesis. For spermatogenesis to be maintained like for instance after a pituitary obliteration, only testosterone is required. However, if spermatogenesis is to be re-initiated after the germinal epithelium has been allowed to regress completely, then both FSH and testosterone are required.



Physical Examination

A careful examination of the testes is an essential part of the examination. Normal adult testes are on the average about 4.5 cm long and 2.5 cm wide with a mean volume of about 20 cc. A caliper or orchidometer may be used to measure testicular size. If the seminiferous tubules were damaged before puberty, the testes are small and firm. With postpubertal damage, they are usually small and soft.

!!!!GYNECOMASTIA!!!! is a consistent feature of a feminizing state. Men with congenital hypogonadism may have associated midline defects such as anosmia, color blindness, cerebellar ataxia, hair lip, and cleft palate. Hepatomegaly may be associated with problems of hormonal metabolism. Proper neck examination may help rule out thyromegaly, a bruit or nodularity associated with disease. Neurologic exam should test the visual fields and reflexes.


!!!PRE-TESTICULAR CAUSES OF INFERTILITY!!!


Isolated LH deficiency ("Fertile eunuch")
Isolated FSH deficiency
Hyperprolactinemia
Exogenous hormones (estrogen-androgen excess,
glucocorticoid excess, hyper and hypothyroidism).



HYPOTHALAMIC DISEASE
Kallmann's syndrome which is an isolated gonadotropin (LH and FSH) deficiency occurs in both a sporadic and familial form and although uncommon i.e. 1 in 10,000 men, it is second to Klinefelter's syndrome as a cause of hypogonadism. The syndrome is often associated with anosmia, congenital deafness, hair lip, cleft palate, craniofacial asymmetry, renal abnormalities, color blindness. The hypothalamic hormone GnRH appears to be absent. If exogenous GnRH is administered, both LH and FSH are released from the pituitary. Except for the gonadotropin deficiency, anterior pituitary function is intact. The syndrome appears to be inherited either as an autosomal recessive trait or an autosomal dominant trait with incomplete penetrance. The differential diagnosis should include delayed puberty. Kallmann's syndrome distinguishing features though are testes less than 2 cm in diameter and positive family history with the presence of anosmia. "Fertile eunuch" are individuals with isolated LH deficiency. They have eunuchoid proportions with variable degrees of virilization and gynecomastia. They characteristically have large testes and semen containing a few sperm. Plasma FSH levels are normal but both the serum LH and testosterone concentrations are low normal. The cause appears to be a partial gonadotropin deficiency in which there is adequate LH to stimulate testosterone production with resultant spermatogenesis but insufficient testosterone to promote virilization. In isolated FSH deficiency which is rare, patient's are normally virilized and have normal testicular size and baseline levels of LH and testosterone. Sperm counts range from O to a few sperm. Serum FSH levels are low and do not respond to GnRH stimulation. Congenital hypogonadotropic syndromes are associated with secondary hypogonadism and a multitude of other somatic findings. Prader-Willi syndrome is characterized by hypogonadism, hypomentia, hypotonia at birth and obesity. Laurence-Moon-Bardet-Biedel syndrome is an autosomal recessive trait characterized by mental retardation, retinitis pigmentosa, polydactyly and hypogonadism. These syndromes are felt to be due to a defect in hypothalamic deficiency of GnRH.


!!!!PROLACTIN!!!! also has a complex inter-relationship with the gonadotropins, LH and FSH. In males with hyperprolactinemia, the prolactin tends to inhibit the production of GnRH. Besides inhibiting LH secretion and testosterone production, elevated prolactin levels may have a direct effect on the central nervous system. In individuals with elevated prolactin levels who are given testosterone, libido and sexual function do not return to normal as long as the prolactin levels are elevated.

!!!!!!HYPERPROLACTEMIA!!!!! can cause both reproductive and sexual dysfunction. Prolactin-secreting tumors of the pituitary gland whether from a microadenoma (less than 10 mm) or a macroadenoma, can result in loss of libido, impotence, galactorrhea, gynecomastia and alter spermatogenesis. Patients with a macroadenoma usually first present with visual field abnormalities and headaches. They should undergo CT or MRI scanning of the pituitary and laboratory testing of anterior pituitary, thyroid and renal function. These patients have low serum testosterone levels but basal serum levels of LH and FSH are either low or low normal and reflect an inadequate pituitary response to depressed testosterone.
 
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I hope it comes back with time. Im going to get some clomide and maybe some hgc. thanks to all who have helped so far
 
I would seriously think about seeing a fertility specialist. They may start you on a Medication Therepy such as HCG,Pergonal,Clomid,Bromocritine,Proviron(Mesterolone) etc. And if all else fails, then of course alternative treatments may be discussed.
 
catharsis said:
I would seriously think about seeing a fertility specialist. They may start you on a Medication Therepy such as HCG,Pergonal,Clomid,Bromocritine,Proviron(Mesterolone) etc. And if all else fails, then of course alternative treatments may be discussed.
I know of one person in particular who sought professional help and after months of no progress did a little reading and research of his own, went on a course of anastrozole and clomid and a short time later he and his wife conceived. Thats not to say professionals dont have their place but they oftern persue things with blinders on and as for medications, there are some that help greatly (ie anastrozole) but arent commonly used for fertility and hence arent even considered.
 
bro I can sympathize with you. I have only done one cycle and I definetly plan on doing a couple more. I am 26 and married. We plan on having kids when we are 30. I am scarred shitless that I will not be able to get my wife preganant. My first and only cycle was deca and eq. I am just crossing my fingers and hoping everything works out. I hope everything works out for you - Just keep on working with your doctor and I am sure everything will turn out okay. Best of luck. Keep us posted.
 
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