Secret Service observations and impressions

[hanselthecaretaker]

from the highest order of U.S. leadership, this is "Undetermined" at best (worst) by Snopes, for whatever that's worth anymore lol. Still an interesting look back in history on the private conduct of these folks, and I personally can't say I'm surprised by the contrast of liberal vs. conservative-



*Here are snippets from a book of "Impressions & Observations" of Secret Service personnel assigned to guard U.S. Presidents/First Ladies, and Vice Presidents.*


JOHN & JACQUELINE KENNEDY:

*A philanderer of the highest order.*

*She ordered the kitchen help to save all the left-over wine during State dinner, which mixed with fresh wine and served again during the next White House occasion.*


LYNDON & LADYBIRD JOHNSON:

*Another philanderer of the highest order.
In addition, LBJ was as crude as the day is long.*

*Both JFK and LBJ kept a lot of women in the White House for extramarital affairs, and both had set up "early warning systems" to alert them if/when their wives were nearby. Both Kennedy & Johnson were promiscuous and oversexed men.*

*She was either naive or just pretended to "not know" about her husband's many liaisons.*


RICHARD & PAT NIXON:

*A "moral" man but very odd and weird, paranoid, etc. He had a horrible relationship with his family, and in a way, was almost a recluse.*

*She was quiet most of the time.*


SPIRO AGNEW:

*Nice, decent man, everyone in the Secret Service was surprised about his downfall.*


GERALD & BETTY FORD:

*A true gentlemen who treated the Secret Service with respect and dignity. He had a great sense of humor. *

*She drank a lot!*


JIMMY & ROSALYN CARTER:

*A complete phony who would portray one picture of himself to public and very different in private, eg., would be shown carrying his own luggage, but the suit cases were always empty; he kept empty ones just for photo op's. Wanted the people to see him as pious and a non-drinker, but he and his family drank alcohol a lot. He had disdain for the Secret Service, and was very irresponsible with the "football" nuclear codes. He didn't think it was a big deal and would keep military aides at a great distance. Often does not acknowledge the presence of Secret Service personnel assigned to serve him.*

*She mostly did her own thing.*


RONALD & NANCY REAGAN:

*The real deal --- moral, honest, respectful, and dignified. They treated Secret Service and everyone else with respect and honor. Thanked everyone all the time. He took the time to know everyone on a personal level.*

*One "favorite" story which has circulated among the Secret Service personnel was an incident early in his Presidency, when he came out of his room with a pistol tucked on his hip.
The agent in charge asked:"Why the pistol, Mr. President?"
He replied, "In case you boys can't get the job done, I can help."

It was common for him to carry a pistol. When he met with Gorbachev, he had a pistol in his briefcase.

*Upon learning that Gary Hart was caught with Donna Rice, Reagan said, "Boys will be boys, but boys will not be Presidents." [He obviously either did not know or forgot JFK's and LBJ's sexcapades!]*

*She was very nice but very protective of the President; and the Secret Service was often caught in the middle. She tried hard to control what the President ate, and he would say to the agent "Come on, you gotta help me out."

*The Reagans drank wine during State dinners and special occasions only; otherwise, they shunned alcohol; the Secret Service could count on one hand the times they were served wine during their "family dinner". For all the fake bluster of the Carters, the Reagans were the ones who lived life as genuinely moral people.*


GEORGE H. & BARBARA BUSH:

*Extremely kind and considerate Always respectful. Took great care in making sure the agents' comforts were taken care of. They even brought them meals, etc.*

*One time Barbara Bush brought warm clothes to agents standing outside at Kennebunkport; one agent who was given a warm hat, and when he tried to nicely say "no thanks" even though he was obviously freezing, President Bush said "Son, don't argue with the First Lady, put the hat on.." He was the most prompt of the Presidents. He ran the White House like a well-oiled machine.*

She ruled the house and spoke her mind.


BILL & HILLARY CLINTON:

*Presidency was one giant party. Not trustworthy --- he was nice because he wanted everyone to like him, but to him life is just one big game and party. Everyone knows of his sexuality.*

*She is another phony. Her personality would change the instant cameras were near. She hated with open disdain the military and Secret Service. She was another one who felt people are there to serve her. She was always trying to keep tabs on Bill Clinton.*


ALBERT GORE:

*An egotistical ass, who was once overheard by his Secret Service detail lecturing his only son that he needed to do better in school or he "would end up like these guys" --- pointing to the agents.*


GEORGE W. & LAURA BUSH:

The Secret Service loved him and Laura Bush.

*He was also the most physically "in shape" who had a very strict workout regimen. The Bushes made sure their entire administrative and household staff understood to respect and be considerate of the Secret Service. KARL ROVE was the one who was the most caring of the Secret Service in the administration.*

*She was one of the nicest First Ladies, if not the nicest; she never had any harsh word to say about anyone.*


BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA:

*"Clinton all over again" - hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical and cunning; looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you, but turns around and does the opposite---untrustworthy. He has temper tantrums.*

*She is a complete bitch, who hates anybody who is not black; hates the military; and looks at the Secret Service as servants.*



-"In The President's Secret Service" Behind The Scenes With
Agents"....... By Robert Kessler


What's also interesting to note is the conduct-for the most part-of those who have and haven't served in the military. Again, not surprising.

 

[EnderJE]

Unbiased opinion or the opinion of a select few to get a point across?

 

[binö]

notice how the satantic and evil bushs' were considerate, kind, and caring...but the Messiah and his queen, along with the Clintons and Allan Gore, were mean and arrogant twats

 

[Headholio]

notice how the satantic and evil bushs' were considerate, kind, and caring...but the Messiah and his queen, along with the Clintons and Allan Gore, were mean and arrogant twats

Just proves the piece is a joke.

Nixon was a moral man and Carl Rove was the kindest of all. Obama hates the military. Every Republican was only good and every Democrat was only bad.

Yep we have the unbiased truth here.

 

[binö]

Just proves the piece is a joke.

Nixon was a moral man and Carl Rove was the kindest of all. Obama hates the military. Every Republican was only good and every Democrat was only bad.

Yep we have the unbiased truth here.

i did lol at this
SPIRO AGNEW:

*Nice, decent man, everyone in the Secret Service was surprised about his downfall.*

and ask the avg military bro what they think of obama, it's not gonna be great (i work with a lot of ex military most soundly not obama fans)...

 

[AAP]

what far right website did this nonsense originate from?

 

[pdaddyII]

Fail!

 

[WoodyO]

My mothers cousin was Reagan's bodyguard when Reagan was Governor of CA. He retired when Reagan became president since he didn't want to relocate to DC. He used to have a lot of interesting stories about the job, however I was pretty high at the time and I don't remember any of them.

 

[SpyWizard]

The Republican Party

The republican candidate/president that ended slavery..

Abraham Lincoln - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

not a "right wing site" but the article above true or not is reasonable now isn't it

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" = impeached president clinton for lying to congress..

and anyone hear Hilary speak can tell she's a bitch, i don't blame him for getting a blow job in the office..

 

[nangiggles]

My mothers cousin was Reagan's bodyguard when Reagan was Governor of CA. He retired when Reagan became president since he didn't want to relocate to DC. He used to have a lot of interesting stories about the job, however I was pretty high at the time and I don't remember any of them.

Dad was Reagan's body guard abroad and he always told us he was a great and kind man, in fact he gave all the agents protecting them an honorable mention/letter, dad held on to that thing like it was worth a million bucks

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol

 

[binö]

what far right website did this nonsense originate from?

never heard snopes.com labeled as far right...if the article was bashing bush you'd not be calling it a far left site, you'd be praising it.
face it, obama and his queen are elitist arrogant twats

 

[Headholio]

never heard snopes.com labeled as far right...if the article was bashing bush you'd not be calling it a far left site, you'd be praising it.
face it, obama and his queen are elitist arrogant twats

The source isn't Snopes. The OP just said snopes called it undetermined, meaning there is no proving or disproving its validity.

 

[binö]

The source isn't Snopes. The OP just said snopes called it undetermined, meaning there is no proving or disproving its validity.

fair enough then...but being honest, would you expect a different outlook on the SS and other policing branches from dem or gop pres'?

 

[youpissmeoff]

Dad was Reagan's body guard abroad and he always told us he was a great and kind man, in fact he gave all the agents protecting them an honorable mention/letter, dad held on to that thing like it was worth a million bucks

Never knew anyone that came across Reagan that did not say the same. Was the last of the true gentlemen. Always remember people and sending them hand written thank you notes.

Would only wear a suit in the oval offfice out of respect for the job.

I met W recently. Seemed to be a nice guy. I know a lot of people that know him personally (live in the same small town) who think the world of him. I sat through a dinner speach after meeting him - I still think he is a bit popmpous... je ne sait pa... I can't put my finger on it. Has strong conviction on what he thinks is right but he is just a bit ignorant on those things. I think it is the born again Christian than drives that.

 

[Headholio]

fair enough then...but being honest, would you expect a different outlook on the SS and other policing branches from dem or gop pres'?

Yes of course I would.
Obama hates the Military? Nixon was a moral man? If any SS agents actually did say these things, they are talking out of bias rather than facts. Is a bodyguard a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?

You think bodyguards are automatically Republican? LOL.

You could interview people who knew any leader and get positive and negative comments. Even a great boss is going to have people who hate him or criticize him.

Jeez man why do I have to go on trying to explain obvious trash to you?

 

[binö]

Yes of course I would.
Obama hates the Military? Nixon was a moral man? If any SS agents actually did say these things, they are talking out of bias rather than facts. Is a bodyguard a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?

You think bodyguards are automatically Republican? LOL.

You could interview people who knew any leader and get positive and negative comments. Even a great boss is going to have people who hate him or criticize him.

Jeez man why do I have to go on trying to explain obvious trash to you?

obama is cutting the ground forces of the army/marines (which i honestly can't disagree with...) so it could be assumed by those that have lost their military careers or by the officer class that o doesn't like the military.
"jeez man why do I..." because you only see trash when it slams your bros, when it slams the right (nyt) it isn't trash in your eyes it's a valid news source...

 

[EnderJE]

So in the end, it's all bias depending on the point of view of the reader.

I assume that everyone had their good points and bad ones.

 

[mrplunkey]

Yes of course I would.
Obama hates the Military? Nixon was a moral man? If any SS agents actually did say these things, they are talking out of bias rather than facts. Is a bodyguard a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?

You think bodyguards are automatically Republican? LOL.

You could interview people who knew any leader and get positive and negative comments. Even a great boss is going to have people who hate him or criticize him.

Jeez man why do I have to go on trying to explain obvious trash to you?

Anyone spending regular (daily) contact with someone over multiple years' time will get a pretty decent read on them as a person.

I'm still amused by guys who don't think their secretary knows much about them.

 

[PICK3]

I'm still amused by guys who don't think their secretary knows much about them.

butt I am teh secretary

 

[jackangel]

bi·as
   [bahy-uhs] noun, adjective, adverb, verb, bi·ased, bi·as·ing or ( especially British ) bi·assed, bi·as·sing.
noun
1.
an oblique or diagonal line of direction, especially across a woven fabric.
2.
a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice.
3.
Statistics . a systematic as opposed to a random distortion of a statistic as a result of sampling procedure.

...

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Just proves the piece is a joke.

Nixon was a moral man and Carl Rove was the kindest of all. Obama hates the military. Every Republican was only good and every Democrat was only bad.

Yep we have the unbiased truth here.

Perhaps liberals like criticism sugar coated to the point it's... not criticism anymore? Mainstream media common practice is to make everyone think liberals are so cool and flawless, and pretty much the opposite for conservatives. Nice to actually see a behind the scenes perspective for once that cuts through bs.

 

[brownbrown]

BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA:

*"Clinton all over again" - hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical and cunning; looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you, but turns around and does the opposite---untrustworthy. He has temper tantrums.*

*She is a complete bitch, who hates anybody who is not black; hates the military; and looks at the Secret Service as servants.*



-"In The President's Secret Service" Behind The Scenes With
Agents"....... By Robert Kessler


What's also interesting to note is the conduct-for the most part-of those who have and haven't served in the military. Again, not surprising.

BulllllllllSHITTT
You need to check your sources .
Obama has done more for the U.S. military/ and Vets than Bush ever did (Not including the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill, Which was Cut by Congress twice in the past 2 years)
Oh, and Bush couldn't even take the time out to visit Arlington.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Yes of course I would.
Obama hates the Military? Nixon was a moral man? If any SS agents actually did say these things, they are talking out of bias rather than facts. Is a bodyguard a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?

You think bodyguards are automatically Republican? LOL.

You could interview people who knew any leader and get positive and negative comments. Even a great boss is going to have people who hate him or criticize him.

Jeez man why do I have to go on trying to explain obvious trash to you?

So just because you don't agree with them it's obviously a bunch of shit...
Notice they had that in " "'s? But then they follow that up with "but very odd and weird, paranoid, etc. He had a horrible relationship with his family, and in a way, was almost a recluse.*"


So what if the SS calls liberals out on their flaws. We hear mainstream media do it all the time for conservatives.

 

[AAP]

The source isn't Snopes. The OP just said snopes called it undetermined, meaning there is no proving or disproving its validity.

Exactly. It is a hack piece.

 

[socaljack]

I had the honor to serve as a US Marine attached to the White House when Reagan was in office. I dare say I have yet to find a more complete gentleman in every sense of the word.

I was manning the door outside the White House one January evening, it was bitter cold with a fierce wind. Our dress uniforms were notorious for providing no warmth. I just sucked it up. Out pops the President and his last guest. They say goodbye and on his way back into the White House he stopped to talk to me.

"Cold enough for you, Corporal?", he asked, to which I simply replied "hell no, sir." he chuckled and said, "how did I know you would say that?" as he walked back inside.

As for the special agents assigned to the presidential detail, these guys are the real deal. Hats off to them.

 

[binö]

BulllllllllSHITTT
You need to check your sources .
Obama has done more for the U.S. military/ and Vets than Bush ever did (Not including the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill, Which was Cut by Congress twice in the past 2 years)
Oh, and Bush couldn't even take the time out to visit Arlington.

i have yet to meet a military bro that was pro obama, not a one and they are flooding my workforce the last few years.
and with obama's military forces cutting (can't fault him for that) he is not garnering their love.
their is a reason the military largely votes GOP in every election.
bush gotta a lot of love from the troops btw

 

[ceo]

It's from a book you bunch of ignorants. If I write a book and interview a few of my peers and quote them in the book it's still all of our opinions and observations. That's all it is. Is there bias? We all have bias, don't we?

These are excerpts, so there was likely more said that you won't see unless you read the book. But hell, most of you couldn't even be bothered to read (or skim) the post enough to see it was from a book. It's not a textbook either. There's not a bunch of scientific data or studies to back up anything they're saying either. It's merely the observations of a few men who spent some time with some of our presidents.

"In The President's Secret Service: Behind The Scenes With Agents In The Line Of Fire And The Presidents They Protect" By Ronald (not Robert) Kessler

"In recounting what protectees are like behind the scenes, the book describes as well how difficult Jenna and Barbara Bush were with their agents and how Vice President Joe Biden ignores Secret Service advice about his protection. To make the press think he came to work early, Jimmy Carter would walk into the Oval Office at 5 a.m., then nod off to sleep. Lyndon Johnson would order Secret Service agents to drive on crowded sidewalks so he could make an appointment on time. Johnson would urinate in front of the press corps, which included women reporters. He had a “stable” of women with whom he had sex at the White House and at his ranch. In addition, Vice President Spiro Agnew, a champion of family values, had extramarital affairs while in office."

Here's part of a review from the USA Today:

From USA TODAY, Reviewed By Don Oldenburg, Special for USA TODAY

Some of it would border on tabloid sensationalism if it hadn't come directly from current and retired agents (most identified by name, to Kessler's credit). Of course, you'd expect the salacious stories of John Kennedy's libido, but the less-told tales of an often-drunken and philandering Lyndon Johnson caught with his pants down are shocking. Family-values champion Spiro Agnew had his hotel-room peccadilloes, it seems, and nice Jimmy Carter his animosities. Richard Nixon's peculiarities? Beyond excess.

Anecdotes of hard-to-handle members of the first families abound here as well, including Jenna and Barbara Bush's bar-hopping, Hillary Clinton's angry clashes with low-level White House employees, and Nancy Reagan's cold, controlling habits.
Balancing the sordid tales are the kinder stories of presidential humanity — like George H.W. Bush and an agent searching for hidden cookies in the middle of the night, Miss Lillian Carter delivering a six-pack to the Secret Service boys (dutifully refused), and Ronald Reagan mailing checks for thousands of dollars to needy strangers.

So why the all the blabbing from zip-lipped agents? A respected journalist and former Washington Post reporter, Kessler somehow instills trust even in wary civil servants and federal bureaucrats.

He did when researching such government-insider books as The Terrorist Watch and The CIA at War. He has done it again by persuading the Secret Service to cooperate, making this an insightful and entertaining story.

Copyright 2009, USA TODAY. All Rights Reserved.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

So basically the SS comments to a liberal mind are "biased crap".

and a conservative mind, "truthful reports".

Think about the type of people Secret Service personnel generally are though. Replace them with hippie journalists and the comments/observations would probably end up favoring the behavior of Carter, Clinton, Obama, etc. and trashing Ford, Reagan and the Bush's as being too "square" and/or "abusive" somehow. Seems at least partially a matter of the eye of the beholder and their given perspective. Definitely not impartial, but that's pretty typical of human behavior.

 

[EnderJE]

i have yet to meet a military bro that was pro obama, not a one and they are flooding my workforce the last few years.
and with obama's military forces cutting (can't fault him for that) he is not garnering their love.
their is a reason the military largely votes GOP in every election.
bush gotta a lot of love from the troops btw

I know a few, but I know more vets who pro-Bush and anti-Obama and anti-Ron Paul.

It's a funny story. When I asked them why, the said the same thing that you did. They are cutting the military and reducing (or plan to reduce the military presence).

 

[EnderJE]

So basically the SS comments to a liberal mind are "biased crap".

and a conservative mind, "truthful reports".

Think about the type of people Secret Service personnel generally are though. Replace them with hippie journalists and the comments/observations would probably end up favoring the behavior of Carter, Clinton, Obama, etc. and trashing Ford, Reagan and the Bush's as being too "square" and/or "abusive" somehow. Seems at least partially a matter of the eye of the beholder and their given perspective. Definitely not impartial, but that's pretty typical of human behavior.

You forget that the source is the one that is important.

If's it's pro-left; then the left says that it's gospel and the right says that it's BS. If it's pro-right, then the reverse is true.

Sadly, nothing is ever completely left or right.

I was hoping for more pro / cons for each president. Obama isn't a saint, Reagan isn't either and Nixon / Rove isn't that bad.

 

[brownbrown]

i have yet to meet a military bro that was pro obama, not a one and they are flooding my workforce the last few years.
and with obama's military forces cutting (can't fault him for that) he is not garnering their love.
their is a reason the military largely votes GOP in every election.
bush gotta a lot of love from the troops btw

Okay,
The Military has been seriously downsizing since 2004 (Obama's fault?), And In 2006 They ramped it up. (Still Obama's fault)
Who are the current deficit hawks that want to starve the Government of Tax money?
Budget cuts from other areas = Budget cuts for the Military AND Vets. No matter how you Cut it.

You may know a few Vets, but I know more. And the Military is just like the rest of America, Diverse.
He's not the house or Senate that is voting away military and vet benefits.
Bush gave them decent raises, but cut Cost of Living expense $.
Clinton Gave the military a raise higher than any of Bush's.

 

[brownbrown]

I know a few, but I know more vets who pro-Bush and anti-Obama and anti-Ron Paul.

It's a funny story. When I asked them why, the said the same thing that you did. They are cutting the military and reducing (or plan to reduce the military presence).

Bush Signed into Law the worst few programs to Cut the military and not have to pay VETs.

 

[jackangel]

I don't have trouble believing that Reagan was a class act. It fits with everything else I've heard or read about him. Moreover, I actually want to believe it's true, and I want to believe the same for every other President, regardless of party affiliation. The bias I mentioned is our own...a person who reads this will most likely only bring his own preconceptions to the table, and nothing else, because that's what we do. As for the "truth"? I think I put it somewhere around here...brb. But seriously, if it's true that the likes of Hilary Clinton or Al Gore actually treated agents that way...that's fucking shameful. Piss poor cuntishness.

 

[EnderJE]

I don't have trouble believing that Reagan was a class act. It fits with everything else I've heard or read about him. Moreover, I actually want to believe it's true, and I want to believe the same for every other President, regardless of party affiliation. The bias I mentioned is our own...a person who reads this will most likely only bring his own preconceptions to the table, and nothing else, because that's what we do. As for the "truth"? I think I put it somewhere around here...brb. But seriously, if it's true that the likes of Hilary Clinton or Al Gore actually treated agents that way...that's fucking shameful. Piss poor cuntishness.

Funny enough, I could see Hillary and Al like that.

 

[Headholio]

Perhaps liberals like criticism sugar coated to the point it's... not criticism anymore? Mainstream media common practice is to make everyone think liberals are so cool and flawless, and pretty much the opposite for conservatives. Nice to actually see a behind the scenes perspective for once that cuts through bs.

Wow, Fox brainwashing to an extreme extent. Nice generalization about the media. You should be scared of media, since you are obviously unable to discern bias when you see it.
Discussing whether or not the OP is biased is, in literary terms, called a retarded argument.

 

[binö]

Wow, Fox brainwashing to an extreme extent. Nice generalization about the media. You should be scared of media, since you are obviously unable to discern bias when you see it.
Discussing whether or not the OP is biased is, in literary terms, called a retarded argument.

assuming everybody that doesn't agree with your politics is a raging fox news sheep is the epitomy of retardation.
i've known hansel for many yrs, and never has he claimed to be a GOP bro or a fox news fan...your assumptions point out your obvious bias

 

[Headholio]

assuming everybody that doesn't agree with your politics is a raging fox news sheep is the epitomy of retardation.
i've known hansel for many yrs, and never has he claimed to be a GOP bro or a fox news fan...your assumptions point out your obvious bias

Read the OP again. You think no one had anything bad to say about any Repub or his wife, and had only bad to say about every dem and his wife, because that's the way it really is???
Or perhaps, that is just selectivity of quote selection (if not fabrication) to paint a picture the author wants to paint?

You think if you could find 10 SS guys from Jimmy Carter's era, not one guy would say one good thing about him? Not even he was kinda nice, he loved his wife, anything??????

And not one guy would say one bad thing about Bush? that he was kinda dumb, anything???????

Etc.

Dude you even noticed the bias in the piece and brought up Spiro Agnew. No one mentioned he was a convicted felon? No one mentioned Nixons cover up, his disgrace, only that he had a bad relationship with his family??????

Lets not quibble over the obvious.

 

[binö]

Read the OP again. You think no one had anything bad to say about any Repub or his wife, and had only bad to say about every dem and his wife, because that's the way it really is???
Or perhaps, that is just selectivity of quote selection (if not fabrication) to paint a picture the author wants to paint?

You think if you could find 10 SS guys from Jimmy Carter's era, not one guy would say one good thing about him? Not even he was kinda nice, he loved his wife, anything??????

And not one guy would say one bad thing about Bush? that he was kinda dumb, anything???????

Etc.

Dude you even noticed the bias in the piece and brought up Spiro Agnew. No one mentioned he was a convicted felon? No one mentioned Nixons cover up, his disgrace, only that he had a bad relationship with his family??????

Lets not quibble over the obvious.

the author also said that spiro agnew was a philander and cheat.
or that ronnie was obviously suffering from dementia (sp) while in office.
a lot more is in the book than was quoted, according to some reviews/sneak peeks i've done...i like insider accounts.
and about bush and his alleged "dumbness"...mostly a media fabrication and weakly supported by snippets of fuck ups (the same fuckups can be found about any leader, but bush's are mega highlighted and somehow worse)...little known is how much the man consumed books, by some accounts 200 a year, more than any other president (according to his bio)...hardly the mark of a dumb man.
if your master would release his grades, then we could compare, but he hasn't, which makes me and any reasonable man suspicous of his alleged intelligence that you whole heartedly subscribe to without question or concern.

 

[Headholio]

the author also said that spiro agnew was a philander and cheat.
or that ronnie was obviously suffering from dementia (sp) while in office.
a lot more is in the book than was quoted, according to some reviews/sneak peeks i've done...i like insider accounts.
and about bush and his alleged "dumbness"...mostly a media fabrication and weakly supported by snippets of fuck ups (the same fuckups can be found about any leader, but bush's are mega highlighted and somehow worse)...little known is how much the man consumed books, by some accounts 200 a year, more than any other president (according to his bio)...hardly the mark of a dumb man.
if your master would release his grades, then we could compare, but he hasn't, which makes me and any reasonable man suspicous of his alleged intelligence that you whole heartedly subscribe to without question or concern.

Obviously we critiquing the post, not the book. For all I know, the book could be completely left leaning, and the OP just took quotes to give it a rightward slant.

How dumb was Bush could be a whole new thread.
He read 200 books a year? You believe that? That's 4 per week dude. That would be a complete deriliction of duty even if it was true. I hope he didn't have that much free time on his hands, but that might explain a lot actually.

 

[ceo]

Read the OP again. You think no one had anything bad to say about any Repub or his wife, and had only bad to say about every dem and his wife, because that's the way it really is???
Or perhaps, that is just selectivity of quote selection (if not fabrication) to paint a picture the author wants to paint?

You think if you could find 10 SS guys from Jimmy Carter's era, not one guy would say one good thing about him? Not even he was kinda nice, he loved his wife, anything??????

And not one guy would say one bad thing about Bush? that he was kinda dumb, anything???????

Etc.

Dude you even noticed the bias in the piece and brought up Spiro Agnew. No one mentioned he was a convicted felon? No one mentioned Nixons cover up, his disgrace, only that he had a bad relationship with his family??????

Lets not quibble over the obvious.

Why don't you do a little independent investigation, or hell, read the book yourself. You don't have to buy it, I'm sure the library would have a copy. From what I've read it's not all bad for Dems and all good for Repubs.

What about:
"Nancy Reagan's cold, controlling habits." <--I'd call that "something bad to say about a repub's wife"

Or:
"Miss Lillian Carter delivering a six-pack to the Secret Service boys (dutifully refused)" <--That sounds like something pretty cool said about a Dem's wife.

What about this:
"When agents refused to drive friends of Dick Cheney’s daughter Mary to restaurants, she got her detail leader removed." <--Sounds like a real bitch to me.

The book tells of the Bush girls ditching SS Agents and going bar hopping (not exactly positive behavior for presidents daughters). But we all knew that. A lot of the stuff told was known already JFK and LBJ's philandering especially.

President Ford was apparently, "the cheapest guy they ever saw."

Agents "considered Nixon's son-in-law David Eisenhower, grandson of former President Dwight Eisenhower, the most clueless person they had ever protected."

The book is a collection of opinions. It's like looking at a gossip column in "Us Weekly" or some similar magazine. If you like to read that sort of stuff, great. If not, that's cool too. But you should probably read it before you speak so definitively and absolutely about it.

The author perhaps is politically biased, but who cares? Most everyone is anyway. But you are getting all bent out of shape over this and it's laughable. Take it for what it is.

 

[machine23]

CEO no one does independent investigations or research. That's the sad truth. Ppl get their info from the media. If they don't hear it on tv it's not true.

 

[Headholio]

But you should probably read it before you speak so definitively and absolutely about it.

I made it clear I commented on the post, not on the book. Read my last entry.
The OP is totally slanted. Whether or not it represents the book, I don't know and I'm not really interested.

Hansel's comment on the excepts in the OP are this:

I personally can't say I'm surprised by the contrast of liberal vs. conservative-

Too bad, I called out the obvious bias, not only in the quotes selected from the book, but in Hansel based on that comment.

The author perhaps is politically biased, but who cares? Most everyone is anyway. But you are getting all bent out of shape over this and it's laughable. Take it for what it is.

I'm not getting bent out of shape, I just called the OP what it is, biased. The author of the book probably is too, and I do not care. I did take it for what it is - biased. It seems the righties are the ones having the problem accepting it for what it is, not me.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Read the OP again. You think no one had anything bad to say about any Repub or his wife, and had only bad to say about every dem and his wife, because that's the way it really is???
Or perhaps, that is just selectivity of quote selection (if not fabrication) to paint a picture the author wants to paint?

You think if you could find 10 SS guys from Jimmy Carter's era, not one guy would say one good thing about him? Not even he was kinda nice, he loved his wife, anything??????

And not one guy would say one bad thing about Bush? that he was kinda dumb, anything???????

Etc.

Dude you even noticed the bias in the piece and brought up Spiro Agnew. No one mentioned he was a convicted felon? No one mentioned Nixons cover up, his disgrace, only that he had a bad relationship with his family??????

Lets not quibble over the obvious.

Once again, because thanks to the *vast majority* of media coverage everyone already knew about their flaws. Obviously that wasn't the same for the Dem's as pointed out by their guards. The whole point about its "bias" was to see the side of them that no one seemed to know about. Once again, for obvious reasons.

Denying the liberal slant present in mainstream media is akin to denying the liberal slant in Hollywood or the music industry. You could fill a book with all their libs. Conservatives have Fox News, Clint Eastwood and Ted Nugent.

 

[EnderJE]

I don't really feel like reading the book. Who is secretly gay?

 

[ceo]

Obviously we critiquing the post, not the book. For all I know, the book could be completely left leaning, and the OP just took quotes to give it a rightward slant.

How dumb was Bush could be a whole new thread.
He read 200 books a year? You believe that? That's 4 per week dude. That would be a complete deriliction of duty even if it was true. I hope he didn't have that much free time on his hands, but that might explain a lot actually.

Maybe he is a very fast reader? My dad could read through a book in a couple hours. He could read 4 or 5 books in a day. You may not believe me but I don't have any reason to lie. You read enough and you get very good, and very fast at it. My dad was a very fast reader with a very high comprehension percentage rate.

You made it clear you commented on the post, not the book in the post you made that was posted 11 minutes before mine. Problem is you didn't make it clear before that, and I actually started my post well before you posted yours, but I got distracted and had to leave and come back to it. So by the time you made it so clear, I basically had already written my post telling you you are getting bent out of shape (IMO).

I based my opinion on the fact you were saying hansel is brainwashed by Fox News, and devaluing the entire United States Secret Service, among whom are some of the most elite of the military by asking (rhetorically?) if they are "a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?"

You just seem so angry about all of this.

 

[EnderJE]

Maybe he is a very fast reader? My dad could read through a book in a couple hours. He could read 4 or 5 books in a day. You may not believe me but I don't have any reason to lie. You read enough and you get very good, and very fast at it. My dad was a very fast reader with a very high comprehension percentage rate.

You made it clear you commented on the post, not the book in the post you made that was posted 11 minutes before mine. Problem is you didn't make it clear before that, and I actually started my post well before you posted yours, but I got distracted and had to leave and come back to it. So by the time you made it so clear, I basically had already written my post telling you you are getting bent out of shape (IMO).

I based my opinion on the fact you were saying hansel is brainwashed by Fox News, and devaluing the entire United States Secret Service, among whom are some of the most elite of the military by asking (rhetorically?) if they are "a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?"

You just seem so angry about all of this.

 

[nangiggles]

CEO no one does independent investigations or research. That's the sad truth. Ppl get their info from the media. If they don't hear it on tv it's not true.

Not all of us are dumbasses who watch reality shows all day and never pick up a paper or do a search online... Good Lord you must hang out with really stupid people if you have this opinion

 

[canadianhitman]

Michelle Obama: RACIST!

Michelle Obama 'Distressed' About Power Held in IL by 'White Irish Catholic' Families - Michelle Obama - Fox Nation

 

[brownbrown]

Michelle Obama: RACIST!

Michelle Obama 'Distressed' About Power Held in IL by 'White Irish Catholic' Families - Michelle Obama - Fox Nation

Fucking Racist Michelle Obama! Going off and marrying a half white blackguy and having kids with him!
Shes a hidden Black panther member!!!!


btw: Foxnation?

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

 

[binö]

Fucking Racist Michelle Obama! Going off and marrying a half white blackguy and having kids with him!
Shes a hidden Black panther member!!!!


btw: Foxnation?

DrOiD BioNiC EF App!

did foxnation make the quotes she spoke?
or is it just reporting on the matter?
it's not an editorial

 

[binö]

Maybe he is a very fast reader? My dad could read through a book in a couple hours. He could read 4 or 5 books in a day. You may not believe me but I don't have any reason to lie. You read enough and you get very good, and very fast at it. My dad was a very fast reader with a very high comprehension percentage rate.

You made it clear you commented on the post, not the book in the post you made that was posted 11 minutes before mine. Problem is you didn't make it clear before that, and I actually started my post well before you posted yours, but I got distracted and had to leave and come back to it. So by the time you made it so clear, I basically had already written my post telling you you are getting bent out of shape (IMO).

I based my opinion on the fact you were saying hansel is brainwashed by Fox News, and devaluing the entire United States Secret Service, among whom are some of the most elite of the military by asking (rhetorically?) if they are "a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?"

You just seem so angry about all of this.

the same thing some of the dems are being accused of here, not treating the SS with respect, is exactly what headholio appears to be doing with the bolded...

 

[Headholio]

did foxnation make the quotes she spoke?
or is it just reporting on the matter?
it's not an editorial

Its from that the trash book about the Obamas. A right wing hack job. If you notice, there is never a quote attributed to her about Irish families. They want you to think she said it. It's misleading. The comment about Irish families are the authors words, not Obamas. White House comment.

"The book, an overdramatization of old news, is about a relationship between two people whom the author has not spoken to in years. The author last interviewed the Obamas in 2009 for a magazine piece, and did not interview them for this book," Schultz's statement reads. "The emotions, thoughts and private moments described in the book, though often seemingly ascribed to the President and First Lady, reflect little more than the author's own thoughts.

It's the same book that lies about the Halloween party that all the rightie lunatics are salivating over right now.
Oh, and the author is a New York Times reporter. (That left wing publication remember?)

 

[binö]

Its from that the trash book about the Obamas. A right wing hack job. If you notice, there is never a quote attributed to her about Irish families. They want you to think she said it. It's misleading. The comment about Irish families are the authors words, not Obamas. White House comment.



It's the same book that lies about the Halloween party that all the rightie lunatics are salivating over right now.
Oh, and the author is a New York Times reporter. (That left wing publication remember?)

1. fox news has a plethora of left wing reporters (the right wing publication remember?)...still you or i don't contest it lean right.
2. The halloween party happened, jay carney spoke on it the other day and tried to down play it...not sure what you consider lies but it happened (personally i don't care either way)
3. i have a sinking feeling that although it's a right wing hack job, you wouldn't aknowledge that it is even possible for a left wing hack job to happen or even exist.
4. step away from this thread, you got served by numerous folks now you are just flapping in the wind sounding like a obumbles cheerleader

 

[Headholio]

the same thing some of the dems are being accused of here, not treating the SS with respect, is exactly what headholio appears to be doing with the bolded...

JEEEZZZZZ. I ask if a body guard is a good source for some of that information, and you and CEO turn it into disrespect for the entire secret service????

Obama hates the Military

. That's the quote, from a supposed SS agent. How much respect should I give him? Does that SS dude sit in on meeting with the joint chiefs? Does he know Obama's feelings about the military better than say, the Secretary of defense? Does he know anything about Obama's feelings?
He hates the military based on what info? No facts given and you swallow it up like a pig in slop.
You accuse me of disrespect to the Secret Service, when you try and defend baseless slander against the President of the United States. JOKE.
It's a retarded quote. And its no wonder Fox News is so successful at the lying business. It seems I spend my time here weeding through BS and correcting misinformation.

I should give a class to all you children on critical thinking.

 

[ceo]

JEEEZZZZZ. I ask if a body guard is a good source for some of that information, and you and CEO turn it into disrespect for the entire secret service????

. That's the quote, from a supposed SS agent. How much respect should I give him? Does that SS dude sit in on meeting with the joint chiefs? Does he know Obama's feelings about the military better than say, the Secretary of defense? Does he know anything about Obama's feelings?
He hates the military based on what info? No facts given and you swallow it up like a pig in slop.
You accuse me of disrespect to the Secret Service, when you try and defend baseless slander against the President of the United States. JOKE.
It's a retarded quote. And its no wonder Fox News is so successful at the lying business. It seems I spend my time here weeding through BS and correcting misinformation.

I should give a class to all you children on critical thinking.

It was the way you presented it.

Is a bodyguard a suitable source for judging a President's morality or competence anyway?

It's akin to when someone says, "Oh she's 'just the secretary'." Also, they're more than just bodyguards. And what makes them less qualified to judge the morality and competence of someone they spend more time with than anyone else? I guess it's that they're "just a bodyguard" huh? What qualifies you to disqualify them?

Yes, it came across as you being aloof and demeaning to the USSS. Go back, read it again and critically think that shit, ya fucking know-it-all. (I have to use more rolleyes emoticons than you to get my point across).

 

[Headholio]

1. fox news has a plethora of left wing reporters (the right wing publication remember?)...still you or i don't contest it lean right.
2. The halloween party happened, jay carney spoke on it the other day and tried to down play it...not sure what you consider lies but it happened (personally i don't care either way)
3. i have a sinking feeling that although it's a right wing hack job, you wouldn't aknowledge that it is even possible for a left wing hack job to happen or even exist.
4. step away from this thread, you got served by numerous folks now you are just flapping in the wind sounding like a obumbles cheerleader

1. Fox news is for a whole new thread, but I will show you that no other media source of that stature has been shown to lie or mislead like Fox. You can't compare NYT supposed left lean with the 24/7 propaganda channel. EDIT: Last example I can think of was the unemployment graph last month that Fox showed the 8.6% mark as higher than the 9% mark, just so the line would trend up. Yeah, its that bad.

2. The book calls the party a secret, because the President didn't want anyone to know about this extravagant blowout during a recession. The propaganda channel is reporting all about this "secret". In fact, it was announced in a News Conference, pictures posted on the Whitehouse website, and video taken. It was no secret, and it was a party for the children of veterens.
3. Blablablabla
4. No thanks. If I'm making you uncomfortable, its only my job.

 

[ceo]

1. Fox news is for a whole new thread, but I will show you that no other media source has been shown to lie or mislead. You can't compare NYT supposed left lean with the 24/7 propaganda channel.

2. The book calls the party a secret, because the President didn't want anyone to know about this extravagant blowout during a recession. The propaganda channel is reporting all about this "secret". In fact, it was announced in a News Conference, pictures posted on the Whitehouse website, and video taken. It was no secret, and it was a party for the children of veterens.
3. Blablablabla
4. No thanks. If I'm making you uncomfortble, its only my job.

Fox News is the only media source that lies???

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

That's like saying all politicians tell the truth.

I can see reasoning with you is futile. I had hope too, after agreeing with you on the Unemployment thread. But shit you started arguing with me there too. All hope is lost on you now.

 

[Headholio]

It was the way you presented it.



It's akin to when someone says, "Oh she's 'just the secretary'." Also, they're more than just bodyguards. And what makes them less qualified to judge the morality and competence of someone they spend more time with than anyone else? I guess it's that they're "just a bodyguard" huh? What qualifies you to disqualify them?

Yes, it came across as you being aloof and demeaning to the USSS. Go back, read it again and critically think that shit, ya fucking know-it-all. (I have to use more rolleyes emoticons than you to get my point across).

Secretary is a good example. If my secretary told a reporter, "Headholio takes long lunch breaks" she'd be as qualified as anyone to say that. If she said "Headholio is a shitty engineer", well she wouldn't be qualified to say it, even though she is right down the hall and sees me every day. Same point with SS and Military issues.

What kind of SS worship should a good American citizen have? I thought you guys hated government employees? Seems funny you have such reverence for SS, so much so they are now unquestionable on any topic.

 

[nangiggles]

Secretary is a good example. If my secretary told a reporter, "Headholio takes long lunch breaks" she'd be as qualified as anyone to say that. If she said "Headholio is a shitty engineer", well she wouldn't be qualified to say it, even though she is right down the hall and sees me every day. Same point with SS and Military issues.

What kind of SS worship should a good American citizen have? I thought you guys hated government employees? Seems funny you have such reverence for SS, so much so they are now unquestionable on any topic.

What if your secretary sees you constantly fucking things up and calling up other engineers to clean up your fuck ups, she'd be damn qualified dont you think?
SS is there when other powerful/"relevant" people aren't, they are there when no one is watching, they are in my opinion the best to assess their temperament, Presidents can be nice level headed dudes with other politicians but when they are in the car with their wife or at home with just the agents, etc they shows their true colors

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

What if your secretary sees you constantly fucking things up and calling up other engineers to clean up your fuck ups, she'd be damn qualified dont you think?
SS is there when other powerful/"relevant" people aren't, they are there when no one is watching, they are in my opinion the best to assess their temperament, Presidents can be nice level headed dudes with other politicians but when they are in the car with their wife or at home with just the agents, etc they shows their true colors

Exactly. The problem seems to be, the agents aren't being "politically correct" enough about relaying their observations.

 

[binö]

Exactly. The problem seems to be, the agents aren't being "politically correct" about relaying their observations.

it's politically correct to comment that:
regan was senile
bush sr got punked by saddam
bush jr was aloof and dumb
etc
post those quotes up the libs would be agreeing and lapping it up like it was jizz from the One himself, no questions or concerns about validity required.
now, post something like you did, and it's
falsified
racist
fox news created
spoken via dumbass SS guards who don't have the intelligence or right upbringing to comment on such guardians of morality and geniousness
etc

 

[ceo]

Secretary is a good example. If my secretary told a reporter, "Headholio takes long lunch breaks" she'd be as qualified as anyone to say that. If she said "Headholio is a shitty engineer", well she wouldn't be qualified to say it, even though she is right down the hall and sees me every day. Same point with SS and Military issues.

What kind of SS worship should a good American citizen have? I thought you guys hated government employees? Seems funny you have such reverence for SS, so much so they are now unquestionable on any topic.

I never said I hated gov't employees...unless you count all politicians. My bro bino is a gov't employee and I him. Plenty of other good bros too. I know lots of firefighters and police officers who are all good bors/borettes.

What if your secretary sees you constantly fucking things up and calling up other engineers to clean up your fuck ups, she'd be damn qualified dont you think?
SS is there when other powerful/"relevant" people aren't, they are there when no one is watching, they are in my opinion the best to assess their temperament, Presidents can be nice level headed dudes with other politicians but when they are in the car with their wife or at home with just the agents, etc they shows their true colors

Excellent point. Like I said, the SS agents are with them the most. They are there when no one else is. They are there to cover up the affairs of these men, to hide their mistresses from their wives. They are there to cover up drunken felonies like killing a young woman you were about to bang by driving your car off a bridge into water and drowning her.

But yeah, what the fuck do they know? A bunch of fucking idiots who can't tell right from wrong. Who are they to judge anyone?

 

[EnderJE]

it's politically correct to comment that:
regan was senile
bush sr got punked by saddam
bush jr was aloof and dumb
etc
post those quotes up the libs would be agreeing and lapping it up like it was jizz from the One himself, no questions or concerns about validity required.
now, post something like you did, and it's
falsified
racist
fox news created
spoken via dumbass SS guards who don't have the intelligence or right upbringing to comment on such guardians of morality and geniousness
etc

Why is it that they post only one vs the other and not both?

For example, bush jr was a dumbass...obama was a second coming of bush jr?

 

[binö]

Why is it that they post only one vs the other and not both?

For example, bush jr was a dumbass...obama was a second coming of bush jr?

what bro, are you referring to Hansel or snopes' snippet

 

[musclemom]

There is simply no way that the Republican/conservative "favorites" were all, to a man, decent, moral, ethical, polite gentlemen, and all of the Democratic/liberal "favorites" were all philandering, lying, oversexed, ignorant hypocrites.

The fact is the oaths of secrecy taken by individuals with high level clearance in this country is pretty serious shit. This smacks of propaganda on a lot of levels.

Regan was senile during the end of his term, had to be.

Nixon was a thieving liar.

JFK and Clinton couldn't keep it in their pants -- big shock. LBJ couldn't either ... really, did you ever see a picture of the guy? If he got strange, good for him.

Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. both have their tongues so far up big corporate assholes its amazing they manage to get the shit off their faces for the television and everyone that likes to blame the economy on Obama needs to remember that it took 8 years of Bush the moron to get us here.

I can't believe Jimmy Carter is anything other than a decent, hardworking guy.

 

[binö]

There is simply no way that the Republican/conservative "favorites" were all, to a man, decent, moral, ethical, polite gentlemen, and all of the Democratic/liberal "favorites" were all philandering, lying, oversexed, ignorant hypocrites.

The fact is the oaths of secrecy taken by individuals with high level clearance in this country is pretty serious shit. This smacks of propaganda on a lot of levels.

Regan was senile during the end of his term, had to be.

Nixon was a thieving liar.

JFK and Clinton couldn't keep it in their pants -- big shock. LBJ couldn't either ... really, did you ever see a picture of the guy? If he got strange, good for him.

Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. both have their tongues so far up big corporate assholes its amazing they manage to get the shit off their faces for the television and everyone that likes to blame the economy on Obama needs to remember that it took 8 years of Bush the moron to get us here.

I can't believe Jimmy Carter is anything other than a decent, hardworking guy.

the book doesn't refer to every aspect of an ex-president, just how they treated the SS bros.
people caught feelings that their overlords might not be as happy and loving as they wanted them to be...those of us on the other side of the poly spectrum are so used to hearing that our elected bros are racist/dumb/mean/corporate slaves/etc that i thought it was nice to hear it from another perspective

 

[ceo]

they're all crooked as hell.

 

[musclemom]

the book doesn't refer to every aspect of an ex-president, just how they treated the SS bros.
people caught feelings that their overlords might not be as happy and loving as they wanted them to be...those of us on the other side of the poly spectrum are so used to hearing that our elected bros are racist/dumb/mean/corporate slaves/etc that i thought it was nice to hear it from another perspective

I'm not disagreeing with you but I am saying view it with a healthy level of skepticism ... look, I've spent a lot of time down south (VA, SC, NC, family from TN and GA). Polite is part of the culture down there, it's like in the blood. I can't imagine Jimmy Carter having disdain for anybody because that's just not how southerners are, I don't know how else to explain it. And to imagine his wife "doing her own thing" in the 1970s? No, a southern wife in the 1970s was a hostess and made a home, that was the culture.

And my son met G.W. Bush when he was stationed at McGuire. His exact words "fuckin' dumbass schmuck." My kid is blunt and vulgar as hell but he can read someone like a book in a moments glance better than most folks could over years.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm not disagreeing with you but I am saying view it with a healthy level of skepticism ... look, I've spent a lot of time down south (VA, SC, NC, family from TN and GA). Polite is part of the culture down there, it's like in the blood. I can't imagine Jimmy Carter having disdain for anybody because that's just not how southerners are, I don't know how else to explain it. And to imagine his wife "doing her own thing" in the 1970s? No, a southern wife in the 1970s was a hostess and made a home, that was the culture.

I suspect your knowledge of traditional southern culture is as vast as my knowledge of Wiccan.

 

[musclemom]

I suspect your knowledge of traditional southern culture is as vast as my knowledge of Wiccan.

My father's people can be traced back to shortly after the time of the Revolutionary War (great x5 grandpa was apparently a Torey) and lived in the same parts of Georgia/Tennessee since that time. My father was born in 1921, trust me, he was pretty damned old fashioned.

You know what I like about you, Plunkey? Not only do you know everything in your own head, you also know everything in the heads of people you've never even met in real life. Makes you the best psychic I've ever met, and I know some doozies.

 

[ceo]

I'm not disagreeing with you but I am saying view it with a healthy level of skepticism ... look, I've spent a lot of time down south (VA, SC, NC, family from TN and GA). Polite is part of the culture down there, it's like in the blood. I can't imagine Jimmy Carter having disdain for anybody because that's just not how southerners are, I don't know how else to explain it. And to imagine his wife "doing her own thing" in the 1970s? No, a southern wife in the 1970s was a hostess and made a home, that was the culture.

And my son met G.W. Bush when he was stationed at McGuire. His exact words "fuckin' dumbass schmuck." My kid is blunt and vulgar as hell but he can read someone like a book in a moments glance better than most folks could over years.

But GWB is a southerner too??

Is it possible for one to not conform to culture?

If so, then wouldn't it be possible for the Carters too?

 

[mrplunkey]

You know what I like about you, Plunkey? Not only do you know everything in your own head, you also know everything in the heads of people you've never even met in real life. Makes you the best psychic I've ever met, and I know some doozies.

Yeah and my forefathers were German. But that doesn't mean I know squat about German culture.

You extrapolating the behavior of a Jimmy Carter's wife solely on your knowledge of "southern culture" is entertaining.

 

[binö]

I'm not disagreeing with you but I am saying view it with a healthy level of skepticism ... look, I've spent a lot of time down south (VA, SC, NC, family from TN and GA). Polite is part of the culture down there, it's like in the blood. I can't imagine Jimmy Carter having disdain for anybody because that's just not how southerners are, I don't know how else to explain it. And to imagine his wife "doing her own thing" in the 1970s? No, a southern wife in the 1970s was a hostess and made a home, that was the culture.

And my son met G.W. Bush when he was stationed at McGuire. His exact words "fuckin' dumbass schmuck." My kid is blunt and vulgar as hell but he can read someone like a book in a moments glance better than most folks could over years.

I thought white southerners were racist hatemongers...or is that only when they are republicans?

 

[musclemom]

I thought white southerners were racist hatemongers...or is that only when they are republicans?

*headsmack* Of course, how silly of me! The secret service dudes must have all been black

 

[mrplunkey]

Foiled by sigma again!

Doh!

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I'm not disagreeing with you but I am saying view it with a healthy level of skepticism ... look, I've spent a lot of time down south (VA, SC, NC, family from TN and GA). Polite is part of the culture down there, it's like in the blood. I can't imagine Jimmy Carter having disdain for anybody because that's just not how southerners are, I don't know how else to explain it. And to imagine his wife "doing her own thing" in the 1970s? No, a southern wife in the 1970s was a hostess and made a home, that was the culture.

And my son met G.W. Bush when he was stationed at McGuire. His exact words "fuckin' dumbass schmuck." My kid is blunt and vulgar as hell but he can read someone like a book in a moments glance better than most folks could over years.

Those are blanket statements though. I as well as many others have already could say the same thing about people where I grew up, but closer inspection would yield numerous exceptions.

That last paragraph, I take it your kid didn't grow up in the south...?

 

[nangiggles]

Im guessing the "doing her own thing" meant she wasnt actively involved much, just stayed back minding her own business.

 

[ledhead]

Those are blanket statements though. I as well as many others have already could say the same thing about people where I grew up, but closer inspection would yield numerous exceptions.

That last paragraph, I take it your kid didn't grow up in the south...?

It is called overgeneralizing: making statements and using them as comprehensive tools without all the facts and with scanty evidence. She is not doing anything different than anyone else who posts in the misfit board. Out of sheer frustration I have been refraining from posting in C & C because it is virtually impossible to conduce the majority of these folks to make a conscientious effort to discern facts from fallacies. I would have more success explaining Einstein's Theory of Relativity to a cat than I would explaining 5th grade civics to these folks.

This entire thread is a joke, I could shred every post to pieces. Not worth the effort! Besides it gets a little dull correcting adults all the time.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

It is called overgeneralizing:

Arguing for the sake of arguing is just as pointless.