second cycle

[tadpoleboy]

Hey whats up, im about to go on a second cycle and i need some suggestions and tips from any pros here.

About me: im a hard gainer for sure, weigh about 160 at 5 feet 10 inches, super fast metabolism. Currently working for the summer doing landscaping, which eats up a ton of energy. I am hoping to counter this catabolic state by doing a cycle of equipoise and dianabol, perhaps even make some gains from just working. I will be lifting all summer too. Essentially i just pull, push and lift all day everyday at work. I have done one cycle, just a pussy one of 30 mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for 2 weeks then 40mg a day for the last two . I did not use anti E's till after the cycle, and really had no problem with water retention which leads me to beleive that i am not very susceptable to such effects. Anyway, ive been training naturally for about 6 years, the first 3 were done incorrectly, the last 3 were done correct with good diet. My platues are very hard to overcome, but doing Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for the first time worked wonderfully, plus i felt pretty damn good while i was on it. Also, i have Gastroesophageal reflux disease pretty bad. I have to take a ton of prescription antacids, and vomit frequently, mostly in the morning, from too much stomach acid coming up. Needless to say, this causes me to lose my appetitie a lot which is very counter productive to my weight lifting routine. I also smoke cannabis everyday, because honestly it helps keep my appetite up and prevents me from vomiting and nausea, but im stopping for the summer to get my tolerance back down, so eating will be harder which is another reason i chose equipoise. Also, i get about 120-200 grams protein a day, depending on the day and schedule.

Im planning to do a cycle of equipoise 600 mg /week for 10 weeks, and dianabol at 40 mg /day for 4 weeks. I chose equipoise as many have said it increases appetite, which is something that should help me overcome my GERD to some degree. I will have Nolvadex on hand, but do not plan on taking it till after as i dont really get estrogenic sides. I would appreciate any suggestions or tips. Keep in mind i dont want to become a giant beast, i want my gains to look somewhat natural and modest. If anyone has any suggestions to help me with the whole gerd deal, that would be great too.

heres a pic of my current state, its been months since my first Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle

 

[krbn08]

About me: im a hard gainer for sure, weigh about 160 at 5 feet 10 inches, super fast metabolism.

Hardgainers need to eat fast carbs also known as simple carbs which

is pretty much sugar (junk food) such as pop tarts, white bread, and jelly.

I do doubt that your a hardgainer though . .

its been months since my first Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle

 

[drdug27]

this thread hurts my brain...just start eating. you cant do a cycle eating 120g of protein a day.

screw the sugar shit. meat oatmeal more meat and more oatmeal

 

[njmuscleguy]

I gotta say dude, you're in pretty good shape considering you've only done one oral cycle so far....maybe focus on the chest a little more.... definitely try to increase your calories... and make sure you can dedicate enough time to the gym every week if you're going to consider a second cycle... just working isn't enough, even if it is labor-intensive. That being said, if you're going to run EQ, run it for a minimum of 12-14 weeks. Consider running a small dosage of test with that. You should have an A I as well (adex or aromasin). Regarding the GERD, keep alcohol intake low, avoid spicy, fatty or acidic foods that trigger heartburn. Eating smaller meals should help, which you should be doing anyway (every 2-3 hours). Don't eat too close to bedtime. Good luck bro!

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

steak, eggs, chicken

 

[Selene]

yes I agree work on diet, eat more if you have Gerd you may want to stay away from oral only cycles, test, eq

good luck to you

 

[tadpoleboy]

thanks for the suggestions. I rarely drink tho. I have been taking acidophilus too, i figured maybe itd help absorb nutriets to a larger extent. Anyone know anything that helps increase appetite? Whats a good dosage of test to throw in? I was also thinking about maybe doing hcg mid and post cycle. Like i said, i dont want to get too big too fast, well actually i do, but i would prefer to keep it modest to keep parents and family off my case .

 

[needtogetaas]

this thread hurts my brain...just start eating. you cant do a cycle eating 120g of protein a day.

screw the sugar shit. meat oatmeal more meat and more oatmeal

brown rice and sweat potatoes to o and some more meat and a little fish

 

[krbn08]

screw the sugar shit. meat oatmeal more meat and more oatmeal

If he's truly a hardgainer like he claims then anything he eats will be burned.

That's why hardgainers must have some fast carbs in every meal.

For breakfast have eggs with jelly on toast. In the morning it's good to

have fast carbs because your body just went on an 8-9 hour fast with no

carbs. For postworkout eat a PB&J on white bread . . you'll need that to replenish

carbs after a grueling work out. Those are the two main times of the day to

have fast carbs, but try to throw some into every meal. Atleast 4 times a day is ideal.

 

[drdug27]

If he's truly a hardgainer like he claims then anything he eats will be burned.

That's why hardgainers must have some fast carbs in every meal.

For breakfast have eggs with jelly on toast. In the morning it's good to

have fast carbs because your body just went on an 8-9 hour fast with no

carbs. For postworkout eat a PB&J on white bread . . you'll need that to replenish

carbs after a grueling work out. Those are the two main times of the day to

have fast carbs, but try to throw some into every meal. Atleast 4 times a day is ideal.

that post hurt my brain. i dont care who you are simple sugars should not be the primary ingestion throughout the day.

 

[navigatorrs]

that post hurt my brain. i dont care who you are simple sugars should not be the primary ingestion throughout the day.

Tottally Agree with u on that one bro.... That would mess up his body really fast!! Need to have Meat, Chicken, Fish etc. These just go hand and hand with aas and working out.

 

[krbn08]

that post hurt my brain. i dont care who you are simple sugars should not be the primary ingestion throughout the day.

I'm saying work them into each meal . .

He stilll needs eggs, beef, fish, ect, ect.

He'd benefit most from fast carbs in his diet.

 

[drdug27]

if youre gonna preach nutrition lets try not to use fast carbs, slow carbs... lets talk real nutrition complex, simple etc...

as per being a hardgainer i do not believe in that word. most of it comes from someone being uneducated.


tadepole boy how old are you??

 

[tadpoleboy]

20. Ive always been a hardgainer, i was skinny even when i was born, ive played soccer my whole life, cross country and track too. Never gone above 170. Pretty much eat oatmeal, eggs, cheese, milk, bagels, etc all day.

 

[thebadguy54]

that post hurt my brain. i dont care who you are simple sugars should not be the primary ingestion throughout the day.

I agree with this post.

A high carb diet will help a hard gainer pack on size but with the exception of the meal immediately following your workout, all carbs should come from low GI sources (sweet potato, brown rice and oats). Adding high GI carbs to every meal will make anyone (including a hard gainer) gain useless/non functional (fat) weight.

My advice would be to increase your carb intake (using predominately low GI sources) and add some supplemental healthy fats (almonds, avocado, macadamia nuts, olives, olive oil, almond butter) to each meal.

 

[krbn08]

if youre gonna preach nutrition lets try not to use fast carbs, slow carbs... lets talk real nutrition complex, simple etc...

I think your trying too hard to find something wrong with what i'm saying . .

The terms that i used do not matter. I was using fast and slow carbs

so that others could understand. Most people don't know what a complex

or a simple carb is, but they do understand digestion rate . . (slow, fast).

 

[tadpoleboy]

alright, i changed it up a little.

equipoise - 600 mg/wk (10 weeks)
testosterone cypionate - 250 mg/wk (10weeks)
dianabol - 40 mg/day (5 weeks)

2 inhalations Albuterol inhaler pre-workout every workout

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20 mg/day PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - 20 days, on hand during cycle if needed. (i don't really get much estrogenic sides, and i enjoy some water weight...)

im going to start this in 3 days, my real question is how should i combine them.
Should i start the test and equipoise at the same time and end them the same time? Or should i delay the start of one to extend the cycle a few weeks? Also, should i run the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - the first 5 weeks, or should i wait until the test and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - kick in to provide a better and more synergistic effect? Also, would it be wise to take the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - later in the cycle when (and if) my appetite is increased by the equipoise? Right now, im considering running the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - mid to late cycle.

I would really appreciate any suggestions or personal experiences people have with a cycle like this. If anyone know what kind of gains i can expect from experience that would help out a ton. This is my first time with injections, i have no problems with needles, i find them intriguing.

i will also take before, during and after pictures, measurements, and weigh ins and keeping a log, ill be sure to post it to let yall know and help anyone out who is considering a similar cycle.

 

[tadpoleboy]

alright, got my gear. Did my first injection ever in the left delt, using 21 gauge. Loaded 600 mg boldenone (2 cc's). Hesistated a little, and kind of laughed at what i was about to do. Got a little shakey, told myself to quite being a woman, and stuck it nice n slow . Didnt hurt a bit. Feels like someone punched me in the shoulder now...

Gunna load 250 mg test cyp on wednesday.

 

[hayz]

Good work mate, you did well to do your delt with your first poke. My first shot was in the but cheek and has never changed from that.

Im Like you and have a metabolism like a bullet, Fucking fast.

Never had bf over 12

Good luck with the rest of ya cycle

 

[AAP]

99% of hard gainers are nothing more than undereaters.

Whole milk, weight gainers, steak, eggs, potatos, KFC, etc... eat it.

Training wise you should be incorporating Olympic style lifting. Looking at your pics, you are NOT going to do well on a typical bodybuilding style program. You are going to need fast explosive compound movements. Not just exercises that target one muscle. You need whole bodytaxing exercises. Deadlifts, clean and press, etc...

Eat the food. Lift the weights. Avoid the alcohol and late nights. You WILL grow.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Here's the deal...

You don't have enough muscle to start out with so anything you gain from a cycle will most likely be lost. You'll probably wind up with LESS mucle afterward by being supressed. You'll get disgusted and quit.

Okay, here's option #2.

Eat more. Lift more. Sleep more. Try UNLEASHED and BIG BLAST and use it consistantly.

Come back in 4 months with new pics and if you did your homework I will personally answer all your steroid related questions.

Fair enough?

 

[tadpoleboy]

Here's the deal...

You don't have enough muscle to start out with so anything you gain from a cycle will most likely be lost. You'll probably wind up with LESS mucle afterward by being supressed. You'll get disgusted and quit.

Okay, here's option #2.

Eat more. Lift more. Sleep more. Try UNLEASHED and BIG BLAST and use it consistantly.

Come back in 4 months with new pics and if you did your homework I will personally answer all your steroid related questions.

Fair enough?

ok...