SARMS S-4 does suppress the HTPA

[methadone]

This is from another forum, in a thread where they have a doctor in to answer some questions

"Nonsteroidal androgen or selective androgen receptor modulators (SARM) administration is currently in the research and investigational stages for the same purposes as anabolic steroids. These studies indicate that their clinical use will result in induced hypogonadism after cessation by their effects on gonadotropin levels [Miner JN, Chang W, Chapman MS, et al. An Orally Active Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator Is Efficacious on Bone, Muscle, and Sex Function with Reduced Impact on Prostate. Endocrinology 2007;148(1):363-73.].

This same opinion was voiced by investigators that, ‘‘Selectivity with regard to gonadotropin suppression represents a significant barrier to the clinical use of SARMs” [Gao W, Dalton JT. Ockham’s razor and selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs): are we overlooking the role of 5{alpha}-reductase? Mol Interv 2007;7(1):10–3.]."


have a nice day.

 

[Dogfox]

ive seen bloodwork from another board that showed suppression. I forget where tho. S4 is still a good product regardless

 

[REFORMATA]

Lol at "have a nice day"

Thanks for the info bro

 

[methadone]

I'm not saying it isn't.

I'm posting this to bring to people's attentions that the claims from certain people to pack up other people's products, are false. Dr. Scally is a well known MD amongst bodybuilders and athletes and his opinions are highly respected. That was his response from my question regarding weather s-4 shuts you down or not.

Anyone who actually cares about full recovering in between cycles should NOT use S-4 on PCT because it WILL suppress your HTPA.

 

[wolfman87]

i suspected as much. i'm still waiting for more info though.

 

[truckdaddy]

This is from another forum, in a thread where they have a doctor in to answer some questions

"Nonsteroidal androgen or selective androgen receptor modulators (SARM) administration is currently in the research and investigational stages for the same purposes as anabolic steroids. These studies indicate that their clinical use will result in induced hypogonadism after cessation by their effects on gonadotropin levels [Miner JN, Chang W, Chapman MS, et al. An Orally Active Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator Is Efficacious on Bone, Muscle, and Sex Function with Reduced Impact on Prostate. Endocrinology 2007;148(1):363-73.].

This same opinion was voiced by investigators that, ‘‘Selectivity with regard to gonadotropin suppression represents a significant barrier to the clinical use of SARMs” [Gao W, Dalton JT. Ockham’s razor and selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs): are we overlooking the role of 5{alpha}-reductase? Mol Interv 2007;7(1):10–3.]."


have a nice day.

There are many versions of sarms...

Sarms s4 in normal doses has no suppression, there is blood work to prove it.

The guy on the other board that was had blood work done saying otherwise was coming off cycle and running 150mgs of s4 a day.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'll repeat what I posted months ago.

It doesn't directly affect the HPTA (Hence, "selective") but any exogenous source of ANYTHING will suppress the body's natural release of what it's replacing. That's common sense.

SARM'S definitely has it's place and shows great potential. But to think it's a "free ride" with no sides at any dosage is just a pipe dream. I've been using it and like it. But for in-between cycles, go with BRIDGE.

 

[truckdaddy]

I'll repeat what I posted months ago.

It doesn't directly affect the HPTA (Hence, "selective") but any exogenous source of ANYTHING will suppress the body's natural release of what it's replacing. That's common sense.

SARM'S definitely has it's place and shows great potential. But to think it's a "free ride" with no sides at any dosage is just a pipe dream. I've been using it and like it. But for in-between cycles, go with BRIDGE.[/QUOTE

of course at higher doses there can be issues, but at 50mgs ed, its as close to a "free ride" i have ever seen and there are no sides with vision or shutting down the testes.

 

[redsamurai]

waiting for someone to isolate the phyto steroid in spinach and do research on it. rats got 20% stronger in one month off it, but the doses would require someone to eat 2 or more pounds of spinach a day.

 

[truckdaddy]

waiting for someone to isolate the phyto steroid in spinach and do research on it. rats got 20% stronger in one month off it, but the doses would require someone to eat 2 or more pounds of spinach a day.

reminds me of the ResV study with where the mice got 30% stronger.

 

[Carlito B]

I'm not saying it isn't.

I'm posting this to bring to people's attentions that the claims from certain people to pack up other people's products, are false. Dr. Scally is a well known MD amongst bodybuilders and athletes and his opinions are highly respected. That was his response from my question regarding weather s-4 shuts you down or not.

Anyone who actually cares about full recovering in between cycles should NOT use S-4 on PCT because it WILL suppress your HTPA.

Unless Dr. Scully shows solid proof then is just talking out of his ass.

I also think you should read logs on this forums before you unjustly "call out " a paying sponsor here on EF ( sarms search . com ) and not only cost him money but also start causing trouble for no reason.

Maybe some of us should go to other forums and call out the one company who sells fake S1 ( not even real S4 ) and many of its bunk research chems...do not hate on sarms search.com just because they sell legit S4 at half the price they do...just saying.

C

 

[Carlito B]

Or maybe you are a member ( under another handle ) here who started to stir shit up last week about Sarms, PCT and recovery or a friend of his.

It is quite obvious your intentions are not good.

 

[REFORMATA]

How are his intentions "obviously not good?"

Since when is this board NOT about objective truth, even at the cost of a sponsor?

Let's keep our hearts in the right place here gents...and not be too closed-minded

 

[Carlito B]

How are his intentions "obviously not good?"

Since when is this board NOT about objective truth, even at the cost of a sponsor?

Let's keep our hearts in the right place here gents...and not be too closed-minded

What truth? Unless he or his Doctor friend shows otherwise then why starting trouble?

The logs here on EF do not indicate S4 suppresses hpta plus we all need to remember Sarms is not intended to increase testosterone levels , so far it looks like it only mimics testosterone anabolic abilities...would it cause suppression? I am sure it will if one uses high dosages but still there is no proof of that. In fact anything that you abuse has a potential to cause negative side effects, is just pure logic.

If you can't see thru this guy's intentions then I do not know what will, sorry.

C

 

[methadone]

SARM'S definitely has it's place and shows great potential. But to think it's a "free ride" with no sides at any dosage is just a pipe dream. I've been using it and like it. But for in-between cycles, go with BRIDGE.

Ok, so S-4 is no longer recommended for PCT...

 

[methadone]

Ok look, I realize how this is looking, let me explain myself here...

I have NOTHING against your sponsor sarmssearch.com. They have NEVER said that S-4 should be taken during PCT, nor have they ever claimed that it doesn't surpress (directly or indirectly) the HTPA. In fact, they have said that SARMS S-4 is NOT for human consumption ( I understand why) . I am in NO WAY trying to discredit their product's quality, potency, or price.

Dr. Michael Scally MD is NOT my friend, lol.

All I did was ask him a question, he answered it with references to research done by other researchers. That is all.
What I am after here is the claims that people made that SARMS S-4 was GOOD to take during your PCT, which is NOT (if it is actually suppressing you) a good idea if you are trying to completely recover.

On a slightly off topic, would you not feel as strong is this company was NOT a paying sponsor? Because the company is a paying sponsor, am I not able to question the claims people are making or does that make them untouchable? I never said their product was under dosed, overdosed, impure, or anything of that nature. I was questioning it's suggested USE by other members.

I hope i cleared that up.

Mods, if I am not allowed to talk about products by sponsors in anything but a positive way, let me know.

 

[RADAR]

Ok look, I realize how this is looking, let me explain myself here...

I have NOTHING against your sponsor sarmssearch.com. They have NEVER said that S-4 should be taken during PCT, nor have they ever claimed that it doesn't surpress (directly or indirectly) the HTPA. In fact, they have said that SARMS S-4 is NOT for human consumption ( I understand why) . I am in NO WAY trying to discredit their product's quality, potency, or price.

Dr. Michael Scally MD is NOT my friend, lol.

All I did was ask him a question, he answered it with references to research done by other researchers. That is all.
What I am after here is the claims that people made that SARMS S-4 was GOOD to take during your PCT, which is NOT (if it is actually suppressing you) a good idea if you are trying to completely recover.

On a slightly off topic, would you not feel as strong is this company was NOT a paying sponsor? Because the company is a paying sponsor, am I not able to question the claims people are making or does that make them untouchable? I never said their product was under dosed, overdosed, impure, or anything of that nature. I was questioning it's suggested USE by other members.

I hope i cleared that up.

Mods, if I am not allowed to talk about products by sponsors in anything but a positive way, let me know.

We appreciate all feed back, however there are alot of SARMS out there, so maybe the Dr's Comments were Skewed, There has been bloodwork here that shows otherwise, and i am going to further back up that claim by running bloodwork on my own.


RADAR

 

[truckdaddy]

We appreciate all feed back, however there are alot of SARMS out there, so maybe the Dr's Comments were Skewed, There has been bloodwork here that shows otherwise, and i am going to further back up that claim by running bloodwork on my own.


RADAR

there are several forms of sarms, even hgh is a sarms.

The doctor did bot mention which. There is loads of blood-work saying it does not suppress.

I think sarms should be a staple in PCT.

 

[truckdaddy]

Ok, so S-4 is no longer recommended for PCT...

read the logs, sarms rocks in PCT.

 

[Carlito B]

Ok look, I realize how this is looking, let me explain myself here...

I have NOTHING against your sponsor sarmssearch.com. They have NEVER said that S-4 should be taken during PCT, nor have they ever claimed that it doesn't surpress (directly or indirectly) the HTPA. In fact, they have said that SARMS S-4 is NOT for human consumption ( I understand why) . I am in NO WAY trying to discredit their product's quality, potency, or price.

Dr. Michael Scally MD is NOT my friend, lol.

All I did was ask him a question, he answered it with references to research done by other researchers. That is all.
What I am after here is the claims that people made that SARMS S-4 was GOOD to take during your PCT, which is NOT (if it is actually suppressing you) a good idea if you are trying to completely recover.

On a slightly off topic, would you not feel as strong is this company was NOT a paying sponsor? Because the company is a paying sponsor, am I not able to question the claims people are making or does that make them untouchable? I never said their product was under dosed, overdosed, impure, or anything of that nature. I was questioning it's suggested USE by other members.

I hope i cleared that up.

Mods, if I am not allowed to talk about products by sponsors in anything but a positive way, let me know.

If you take too much CLomid or Hcg , it will suppress you too..did you know that? Still, people use those drugs while on PCT.

I am not going to say Sarms-4 increases or decreases endogenous testosterone because there is no proof of that , at least not that I know of; in fact I just read on another forum of a guy who had blood work done and his "total test levels" were slightly up after doing a Sarms-4 only cycle.

If I need to do PCT I would not just use sarms-4 alone, I would use what has always work for me which is aromasin, hcg, some natural supplements and Sarms-4 because in my own experience this sarms-4 has helped me retain most of the strength and muscle gains I made while I was on a AAS cycle some time ago SO YES is not just me but others here who will agree with me that Sarms-4 will "help" as an addition to a PCT protocol but I do not think anyone would want to use it by itself.

Like I mentioned at the beginning of this post, you take too much clomid, , hcg, letrozole or any PCT drug ..your hpta will be suppressed even thought these are meant to help restore natural testosterone levels.

Now, unless the sponsor is not filling in orders , there are missing products, people are not getting their order, or people are dissatisfied with their products and there is nothing but complaints then I may agree with you about calling them out or shedding some truth as you said before but this is not the case and as far as I know the sponsor is been good and every one is happy with his service and products and yes he is a friend of mine in case you wondered why I jumped on his defense.

I know other forums that even if the sponsor is failing, nobody is allowed to call them unless is a staff member ( MOD or Admin ), there are rules to follow you know.

C

 

[Carlito B]

waiting for someone to isolate the phyto steroid in spinach and do research on it. rats got 20% stronger in one month off it, but the doses would require someone to eat 2 or more pounds of spinach a day.

About a year ago, I bought some eucomia extract before and worked similar to sarms-4 but not quite the same, I do believe I did not use enough but back when I got it was very expensive and just recently synthesized ( isolated ) it was supposed to be 40%.

Again, you can NOT compare ANY HERBAL NATURAL SUPPLEMENTS with Sarms-4..is like comparing a mustang to a corvette, two different categories.

 

[wolfman87]

i think we got your stance lol not everyone has to agree with it. i've never tried it so i can't lean either way, but it irritates me how you're jumping on this so hard when it doesn't even matter that much. people will be people and they'll have their own opinions, no big deal. i for one appreciate him taking out his time to try and inform our community of something that he felt needed to be heard.

i also think that you have a valid point. the good doctor (lol) may have just misunderstood the question about the specific version. i'm waiting for RADAR to get back with those results so we can put this to rest either way.

 

[methadone]

carlitto, get a hold of yourself bro...lol

I thought I made things VERY clear that I WASN'T calling out the company...I was calling out the people who claimed S-4 was good to use during PCT and that it didn't suppress HTPA.

RE-READ my posts, then quote me where i attacked the product or the company.

 

[Carlito B]

i think we got your stance lol not everyone has to agree with it. i've never tried it so i can't lean either way, but it irritates me how you're jumping on this so hard when it doesn't even matter that much. people will be people and they'll have their own opinions, no big deal. i for one appreciate him taking out his time to try and inform our community of something that he felt needed to be heard.

i also think that you have a valid point. the good doctor (lol) may have just misunderstood the question about the specific version. i'm waiting for RADAR to get back with those results so we can put this to rest either way.

Well, sarms search is a friend if that explains some.

RADAR himself said there are logs where people had blood work done and there was no indication Sarms-4 did not suppress endogenous testosterone...he did not just made it up, there are logs here on EF for all to see/read!

This is what does irritate me about the original poster who does not even take the time to first read/see those logs before he comes on and make statements that are not 100% true.

Peace,

C