S4 Vision Sides. Personal Experience?

[kfriesen]

Would anyone who has used s4 care to weigh in on their experiences?? I am in a law enforcement career, and having issues with night vision is a huge safety concern for myself… thats the only thing holding me back from a triple stack vs gw+Osta
How did S4 effect your sight?

 

[Jbranken]

I've used it 5 times and my job requires me to be able to see at night. It's pretty simple: The higher the dose OR the faster you ramp it up, the quicker and harder the vision sides effect you. Your best bet would be to start low (25-40mg ED) and if it doesn't effect your vision after 1-2 weeks, slowly ramp up to 50 mg ED. This way if you start noticing any night vision issues, they'll be very mild and you can back off on the dosage a bit until you adjust to it. Then you can try ramping up again in another week.

 

[kfriesen]

Good insight.. a slow ramp to 50mg seems like a logical solution, anyone else have thoughts?

 

[Mason Kray]

I've used it 5 times and my job requires me to be able to see at night. It's pretty simple: The higher the dose OR the faster you ramp it up, the quicker and harder the vision sides effect you. Your best bet would be to start low (25-40mg ED) and if it doesn't effect your vision after 1-2 weeks, slowly ramp up to 50 mg ED. This way if you start noticing any night vision issues, they'll be very mild and you can back off on the dosage a bit until you adjust to it. Then you can try ramping up again in another week.

I've used S4 a number of times. I agree completely with the above; ramping is a must with S4.

Vision sides don't affect everyone but if your affected you can control them this way.

 

[ozcroboy]

I've been on for 6 weeks n vision is fine except walkin from sunlight to Indoors. Takes me a few min to see anything. Night vision is fine

 

[kfriesen]

Thanks Gents!
Looks like a triple stack is in my future

 

[Ricky1987]

Second week into s4 and night driving all the headlights of cars are yellow and street lights to. That's all for me

 

[jgalb78]

Second week into s4 and night driving all the headlights of cars are yellow and street lights to. That's all for me

Same here.. lights are yellow... Trying 5 on 2 off to see if that works... Taking 50 mg

 

[The Prodigy]

I've used it 5 times and my job requires me to be able to see at night. It's pretty simple: The higher the dose OR the faster you ramp it up, the quicker and harder the vision sides effect you. Your best bet would be to start low (25-40mg ED) and if it doesn't effect your vision after 1-2 weeks, slowly ramp up to 50 mg ED. This way if you start noticing any night vision issues, they'll be very mild and you can back off on the dosage a bit until you adjust to it. Then you can try ramping up again in another week.

It also depend how fast it binds to the person receptor.

 

[Jbranken]

It also depend how fast it binds to the person receptor.

Yep, that's why it's important to give it a few weeks before you start ramping up

 

[travishibachi]

Idk if you've read this or not but dylan breaks down the triple stack protocol very effectively especially concerning the dosing for S4.

http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocolhttp://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

Like everyone has said, staggering the dosage correctly will minimize chance of vision sides and the M1 metabolite is also dependent on each person's individual DNA makeup. Some people will experience sides and some won't. ^^This protocol will diminish the chances of experiencing the side effects. Dylan uses a good Mike Tyson punchout analogy too haha.

 

[Aussi muscle]

I too want to run the triple stack in the future but the vision problems with s4 really worries me. If it temporarily can effect vision, what could it do long term. I don't wear glasses but I wouldn't say my vision is great. I'm pretty light sensitive at the best of times. Especially night driving. Should I avoid it completely ?

 

[travishibachi]

I too want to run the triple stack in the future but the vision problems with s4 really worries me. If it temporarily can effect vision, what could it do long term. I don't wear glasses but I wouldn't say my vision is great. I'm pretty light sensitive at the best of times. Especially night driving. Should I avoid it completely ?

Anyone that has experienced vision sides says that it goes away as soon as use is discontinued which is why the 5 on/2 off approach can help as well. Plus, you don't have to start at the 50 mg ED dosage. You can start at 25-40 mg like jbranken said to assess your tolerance before any sides get out of control. Then ramp up the dosage if things are going well.

Also, do you take in enough omega 3 fats and fish oil/krill oil? Omega 3s and the epa/dha found in fish oil/krill oil really help with keeping cell membranes healthy so mood, vision, heart health etc all benefit from this intake. Carrots will also help with your vision due to the beta carotene. Gotta take care of your eyes, bro! You only get one pair unless you want to go the bionic route haha.

 

[Jbranken]

I too want to run the triple stack in the future but the vision problems with s4 really worries me. If it temporarily can effect vision, what could it do long term. I don't wear glasses but I wouldn't say my vision is great. I'm pretty light sensitive at the best of times. Especially night driving. Should I avoid it completely ?

My eyes are pretty bad... Script is -4.25. Like I mentioned before, I've used s4 on 5 different occasions for 8-12 weeks. I have regular eye check ups and nothing has changed with my eyes for years. I guess only time will tell but all symptoms go away within a few days of stopping.

 

[Aussi muscle]

Anyone that has experienced vision sides says that it goes away as soon as use is discontinued which is why the 5 on/2 off approach can help as well. Plus, you don't have to start at the 50 mg ED dosage. You can start at 25-40 mg like jbranken said to assess your tolerance before any sides get out of control. Then ramp up the dosage if things are going well.

Also, do you take in enough omega 3 fats and fish oil/krill oil? Omega 3s and the epa/dha found in fish oil/krill oil really help with keeping cell membranes healthy so mood, vision, heart health etc all benefit from this intake. Carrots will also help with your vision due to the beta carotene. Gotta take care of your eyes, bro! You only get one pair unless you want to go the bionic route haha.

Yeah il probably start low and see how I go, as far as nutrients I have a multi every day with omega 3 and krill oil and all that jazz. I also eat fish every night (salmon, tuna, white flesh fish. I am an avid fisherman) and carrots are in my veg every day. Both my parents wore glasses so I guess I'm lucky I'm not in them yet. Yeah I'm just a little worried, as you say you only get one set of eyes.

 

[Aussi muscle]

My eyes are pretty bad... Script is -4.25. Like I mentioned before, I've used s4 on 5 different occasions for 8-12 weeks. I have regular eye check ups and nothing has changed with my eyes for years. I guess only time will tell but all symptoms go away within a few days of stopping.

Sweet that's great news, hopefully it will all be cool with me. Can't wait now

 

[hurricane]

Yeah but I was only going to try sarms (s4) for gains between cycles. Otherwise I'm with you on that one.

hasnt been like this for everyone, some people hardly have an vison problems,give it a shot and see how you react to it.With me it bothered my eyes even at low dosage.Its not for me.Id rather use something else.

 

[stevesmi]

best way is to try it yourself my friend. I tell people all the time to EXPERIMENT because everyone is different.

S4 vision for me depended on my dosage. there is a sweet spot where vision won't get affected very much and results stick.

 

[kfriesen]

Got my order in for triple stack today. W/20% off it was only 280$ can't go wrong at that price

 

[dylangemelli]

any effects that s4 does have on vision is not permanent... the half life is very short at 4-6 hours and that's why when people are unlucky and it binds quickly the 5 on and 2 off protocol combats the issue... s4 is definitely amazing and has profound effects, it just needs to be treated properly...

 

[djjohnnied]

I actually really like the night blindness from S4 lol I was scared at first when I heard you guys speak of it, but now that I am using it, it's only when every light is off that everything goes pitch black, I find this helps me sleep deeper and fall asleep faster for some reason. I usually get up to the bathroom every night and sometimes it's a little bit harder than others to fall asleep, but with the blindness it's great! I get to sleep really quick!

 

[infraredline]

For me it was just a bit of an issue adjusting from light to dark. Really only an issue in the day when going from outside to inside where it is very dim. Really all it comes down to is your adjustment from light to dark is slightly delayed, nothing serious.

 

[tasride]

I had the vision sides, but all that occured was the white lights looked yellow and it took my eyes a little bit longer from going light to dark - nothing major this end and nothing I couldnt handle!

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

I'm going to be doing an S-4 (andarine) log very soon, discussing the vision sides.

 

[RickRock13]

I'm running sarms1 S4 right now at 75-100mg ED and loving it. I'm very lucky that the vision sides are never bad for me, even at the higher doses

 

[lazer84]

So many other compounds/PEDS out there - honestly don't understand why someone with mess with something that alters your vision.

I'm probably too old school, but man if your not competing for cash why the heck would you mess with it.

Again - I may be undereducated..

 

[spike1977]

Ive been running the triple stack. S4 at 100mg ed. Vision sides when outdoors with sunlight, but nothing that a set of sunnies won't fix.
Takes a minute or two to adjust when back indoors. Night vision slight yellowish but bearable.

Love the triple stack, almost at the end of my cycle. Awesome results, well worth it.



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[dylangemelli]

Ive been running the triple stack. S4 at 100mg ed. Vision sides when outdoors with sunlight, but nothing that a set of sunnies won't fix.
Takes a minute or two to adjust when back indoors. Night vision slight yellowish but bearable.

Love the triple stack, almost at the end of my cycle. Awesome results, well worth it.



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great to hear bro... the s4 vision side is so variant between person to person that it is just impossible to diagnose... s4 is so effective that as long as the side is at least bearable, its definitely worth it in every way... its nothing permanent and the binding of s4 to the eye receptor may or may not happen...

 

[hurricane]

So many other compounds/PEDS out there - honestly don't understand why someone with mess with something that alters your vision.

I'm probably too old school, but man if your not competing for cash why the heck would you mess with it.

Again - I may be undereducated..

like dylan said is it really depends on the person. I am with you i am not a s4 user but i see many more people it doesnt bother that much.It can be a great compound if you are able to use with no vison sides

Most i can say is give it a run and see how you react to it and deff dont buy more then 1 bottle 1st time around..See how you react first.