Ross and other "experts"

[Porportional]

what are your thoughts on the importance of a post work out shake, the importance of feeding the muscle while it is in its catabolic state, and the benefits of the 5x5 routine over isolation exercises. Which is the overall better one, to stay with year round, best results? Just some debates that were going on in the weight lifting forum

 

[dabuffguy]

what are your thoughts on the importance of a post work out shake, the importance of feeding the muscle while it is in its catabolic state, and the benefits of the 5x5 routine over isolation exercises. Which is the overall better one, to stay with year round, best results? Just some debates that were going on in the weight lifting forum

O my hell dude, let it go. DJeclipse was just putting you on one. It's all good. A PWO shake is beneficial to training and diet. Everyone knows that. Don't bring the argument of you and DJ here.

(See diet and nutrition thread)

Just keep doing your PWO shakes, they are better than not taking one. But, like argued, one can make awesome gains without one anyway. There's nothing to discuss further about it.

 

[Porportional]

dude its called debating, and finding real answers, and im sure ross or montana can provide some good insightful information... reason i brought these questions here is because of the lack of traffic to that side of the forum.. not trying to call anyone out, just trying to learn for myself too, and hopefully for others to learn something new

 

[dabuffguy]

dude its called debating, and finding real answers, and im sure ross or montana can provide some good insightful information... reason i brought these questions here is because of the lack of traffic to that side of the forum.. not trying to call anyone out, just trying to learn for myself too, and hopefully for others to learn something new

Oh, I know you're not calling anyone out. I didn't mean to come out as getting on your case here either.

In regards to the post workout shake. Just take one. Might as well. Extra protein is beneficial. End of story.

I'm not very familiar with the 5x5 so I can't comment on that. I know of it, but never studied it or applied it because i make dang good gains doing my own routines. I know how to listen to my body and make it grow. Maybe when I plateau I'll try it someday.

 

[Ross]

dude its called debating, and finding real answers, and im sure ross or montana can provide some good insightful information... reason i brought these questions here is because of the lack of traffic to that side of the forum.. not trying to call anyone out, just trying to learn for myself too, and hopefully for others to learn something new

Great question my friend, I am glad you are seeking further clarification. As a bodybuilder, LEARNING is just as important as EATING.

FOOD is the substrate for MUSCLES and INFORMATION is the substrate for LEARNING. Just like consuming the wrong FOOD is counterproductive and detrimental to one's progress, so too is consuming the WRONG INFORMATION! Therefore, it is absolutely imperative that you double check your sources, especially on the good ol' NET.

As for your question:

The single most important tasks after your workout are:

• Replenish Glyogen
• Increase Protein Synthesis
• Reduce Cortisol Response

A PWO shake is the single most effective method for accomplishing all of those tasks at once. Furthermore, a drink will be absorbed much faster, demonstrating superior biological value over whole food.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate--KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

 

[Duggie]

I've always thought the 5x5 routine was a bit overrated. It might be good for a beginner but I think they're are better routines for an intermediate or advanced lifter.

It also depends on goals.

 

[Tatyana]

I've always thought the 5x5 routine was a bit overrated. It might be good for a beginner but I think they're are better routines for an intermediate or advanced lifter.

It also depends on goals.

Beginner or powerlifter routine.

 

[Tatyana]

Great question my friend, I am glad you are seeking further clarification. As a bodybuilder, LEARNING is just as important as EATING.

FOOD is the substrate for MUSCLES and INFORMATION is the substrate for LEARNING. Just like consuming the wrong FOOD is counterproductive and detrimental to one's progress, so too is consuming the WRONG INFORMATION! Therefore, it is absolutely imperative that you double check your sources, especially on the good ol' NET.

As for your question:

The single most important tasks after your workout are:

• Replenish Glyogen
• Increase Protein Synthesis
• Reduce Cortisol Response

A PWO shake is the single most effective method for accomplishing all of those tasks at once. Furthermore, a drink will be absorbed much faster, demonstrating superior biological value over whole food.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate--KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

How do you increase protein synthesis Ross?

Also if you could elaborate on how you reduce the cortisol response, that would be great.

 

[HAYEZ]

pwo
depending on what midnframe im in .....on 100% whey plus 50 grams oatmeal if im lazy....or 100%whey and 50 grams dextrose if im hyped////i have never seen no difference just change it up depending on the mood...lololololol

 

[GUARDIAN]

How do you increase protein synthesis Ross?

Also if you could elaborate on how you reduce the cortisol response, that would be great.

taking a dbol with that shake

 

[jcdc71]

what are your thoughts on the importance of a post work out shake, the importance of feeding the muscle while it is in its catabolic state, and the benefits of the 5x5 routine over isolation exercises. Which is the overall better one, to stay with year round, best results? Just some debates that were going on in the weight lifting forum

Bro I would take the shake p.w.o. if you want to look "PROPORTIONAL"
but avoid it if you want to look "PORPORTIONAL"

 

[get456]

Beginner or powerlifter routine.

LOL

maybe some research would help you understand it a bit better.

Getting stronger is a benefit to EVERYONE... and Im sorry but the typical "BB'er" routine will NOT result in continued, substantial strength gains over time... Very easy to explain why, our body doesnt work that way. We NEED periodization, that is the definition of a "plateau", it is the lack of periodization and planned overtraining.

Spend a few hours reading EVERY link in madcow's 5x5 thread and come back and tell me its "ONLY" for beginners or powerlifters.

 

[BLAZAY]

lol

 

[Tatyana]

LOL

maybe some research would help you understand it a bit better.

Getting stronger is a benefit to EVERYONE... and Im sorry but the typical "BB'er" routine will NOT result in continued, substantial strength gains over time... Very easy to explain why, our body doesnt work that way. We NEED periodization, that is the definition of a "plateau", it is the lack of periodization and planned overtraining.

Spend a few hours reading EVERY link in madcow's 5x5 thread and come back and tell me its "ONLY" for beginners or powerlifters.

I haven't read any of his stuff, would you post the link?

I have nothing against strength training, it does depend on your goals, and I have made my training exclusively a strength training phase at times.

I think that reps higher than 5 work better for most people to get hypertrophy.

 

[Porportional]

i totally agree tat, a 5x5 to me is either a powerlifting routine which's goal is to bulk and get stronger (as in add weight, and strength)... or a beginner routine to get into lifting, because a 5x5 can become to easy over time, as stated here, by some people. It is not a good year-round thing to do for me at all, maybe 6-8 week routine. 5x5 to me wont gain you muscle and hypertrophy, but it will give you mass, weight and bloat. There are living examples of this, you dont see the kids who are 180 benching in the 500-700 range try to add weight to gain the strength.

 

[Porportional]

wow 8, your not even a mod and you bombed me.. thats takin this a lil to seriously, dont ya think?

 

[Tweakle]

if you don't add 'muscle and hypertrophy' with heavy low rep training then what is this 'mass and weight' of which you speak?

you dont see the kids who are 180 benching in the 500-700 range

A 500-700lb bench at 180? You're right, you don't see those kids because they don't exist.

 

[chazk]

if you don't add 'muscle and hypertrophy' with heavy low rep training then what is this 'mass and weight' of which you speak?




A 500-700lb bench at 180? You're right, you don't see those kids because they don't exist.

If I rember correct eddie robinson weighed 190 when he pressed 525 for a state record. back in 1985

 

[dbcooper]

Great question my friend, I am glad you are seeking further clarification. As a bodybuilder, LEARNING is just as important as EATING.

FOOD is the substrate for MUSCLES and INFORMATION is the substrate for LEARNING. Just like consuming the wrong FOOD is counterproductive and detrimental to one's progress, so too is consuming the WRONG INFORMATION! Therefore, it is absolutely imperative that you double check your sources, especially on the good ol' NET.

As for your question:

The single most important tasks after your workout are:

• Replenish Glyogen
• Increase Protein Synthesis
• Reduce Cortisol Response

A PWO shake is the single most effective method for accomplishing all of those tasks at once. Furthermore, a drink will be absorbed much faster, demonstrating superior biological value over whole food.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate--KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

if u dont "flood" the muscles in the "anabolic wondow" ur plain dumb, (but most people are) i bring mine with me and fill it with water pwo and slam it NO-BRAINER

 

[needtogetaas]

wow 8, your not even a mod and you bombed me.. thats takin this a lil to seriously, dont ya think?

He is a elite mentor and doing a good job for this board. We stick together to make this board what it is. I will thank you to get the fuck in line, or I can just send you packing. Got it!!!!

 

[Porportional]

packing for what, questioning authority? who was i name calling again? bombing me for something i was already bombed for lol, or making a thread in the wrong forum? Im sorry i thought u had to make some serious offense here before getting ready to go packing? Needto are you drunk again at the wheel. and tweakle there are a number of lifters whose videos u can find at youtube putting up those numbers

 

[needtogetaas]

packing for what, questioning authority? who was i name calling again? bombing me for something i was already bombed for lol, or making a thread in the wrong forum? Im sorry i thought u had to make some serious offense here before getting ready to go packing? Needto are you drunk again at the wheel. and tweakle there are a number of lifters whose videos u can find at youtube putting up those numbers

You thought wrong!!!!!

 

[chazk]

packing for what, questioning authority? who was i name calling again? bombing me for something i was already bombed for lol, or making a thread in the wrong forum? Im sorry i thought u had to make some serious offense here before getting ready to go packing? Needto are you drunk again at the wheel. and tweakle there are a number of lifters whose videos u can find at youtube putting up those numbers

post a single one from you tube.
I looked up the 180 world record . so i'll be interested at seeing how many videos you find of someone 180 pressing 500-700lbs

 

[needtogetaas]

post a single one from you tube.
I looked up the 180 world record . so i'll be interested at seeing how many videos you find of someone 180 pressing 500-700lbs

He is no longer with us bro. Banned!!!! check the tittle lol

 

[chazk]

He is no longer with us bro. Banned!!!! check the tittle lol

LOL good he was prob just a kid .

 

[silver_shadow]

LOL good he was prob just a kid .

he was some irritating kid

 

[needtogetaas]

he was some irritating kid

I have a feeling it was ghost.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I have a feeling it was ghost.

he was doing a good job hiding the "thug" but not at rubbing people the wrong way.

 

[Jon79]

i dont understan why ppl title their threds like this....its like a slap in the face to all others that know what the fuck they are talking about

just pm someone if u wanna kiss their ass

 

[needtogetaas]

i dont understan why ppl title their threds like this....its like a slap in the face to all others that know what the fuck they are talking about

just pm someone if u wanna kiss their ass

We don't mind it at all. I nelson,omega,8and20,pp,myself,and others get threads like this all the time.

 

[xrsist]

Great question my friend, I am glad you are seeking further clarification. As a bodybuilder, LEARNING is just as important as EATING.

FOOD is the substrate for MUSCLES and INFORMATION is the substrate for LEARNING. Just like consuming the wrong FOOD is counterproductive and detrimental to one's progress, so too is consuming the WRONG INFORMATION! Therefore, it is absolutely imperative that you double check your sources, especially on the good ol' NET.

As for your question:

The single most important tasks after your workout are:

• Replenish Glyogen
• Increase Protein Synthesis
• Reduce Cortisol Response

A PWO shake is the single most effective method for accomplishing all of those tasks at once. Furthermore, a drink will be absorbed much faster, demonstrating superior biological value over whole food.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate--KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

How do you increase protein synthesis Ross?

Also if you could elaborate on how you reduce the cortisol response, that would be great.

no answer?

because i would like to know myself, as i think many others would

 

[Ross]

no answer?

because i would like to know myself, as i think many others would

Simply ingesting 20-60grams of protein PWO will increase protein synthesis, that is the POINT of having a PROTEIN shake PWO!

Reducing cortisol is achieved by replenishing GLYCOGEN, which is accomplished by simply consuming some Dextrose with your PROTEIN shake.

 

[needtogetaas]

Simply ingesting 20-60grams of protein PWO will increase protein synthesis, that is the POINT of having a PROTEIN shake PWO!

Reducing cortisol is achieved by replenishing GLYCOGEN, which is accomplished by simply consuming some Dextrose with your PROTEIN shake.

 

[get456]

Everyone who thinks the 5x5 is a "beginner routine" would be well served to read this...

In actuality it doesnt get much more advanced than this

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm

Inside of those links there are explanations of the concept of periodization and why it is necessary. I wish more people took the time to read this info... there would be a lot more happy and stronger lifters

Hypertrophy Specific Training is another one to read about. Do a google search on that one for the website. Basically it is a periodized program specifically to combine pure strength with hypertrophy.

 

[Jon79]

ok........

 

[jagerbombme]

pwo
depending on what midnframe im in .....on 100% whey plus 50 grams oatmeal if im lazy....or 100%whey and 50 grams dextrose if im hyped////i have never seen no difference just change it up depending on the mood...lololololol

i cannot see how the two cannot be considered totally different. oatmeal doesn't cause an insulin spike. the dextrose however does, it's in and out quick. i can see the benefit of the longer acting carb as oatmeal. but the protien you drink is gonna be absorbed fast so you need fast sugars and insulin in this short period. the next meal should contain your oats or longer acting carbs and more protien and niether of these should contain fats unless your doing powerlifting and don't care about bf percentage. if im incorrect here someone point me out.

 

[jagerbombme]

Simply ingesting 20-60grams of protein PWO will increase protein synthesis, that is the POINT of having a PROTEIN shake PWO!

Reducing cortisol is achieved by replenishing GLYCOGEN, which is accomplished by simply consuming some Dextrose with your PROTEIN shake.

what is the difference of using dextrose or throwing frozen mixed berries into my shake for fast sugars? or is it the same?

 

[jagerbombme]

Everyone who thinks the 5x5 is a "beginner routine" would be well served to read this...

In actuality it doesnt get much more advanced than this

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/table_of_contents_thread.htm

http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm

Inside of those links there are explanations of the concept of periodization and why it is necessary. I wish more people took the time to read this info... there would be a lot more happy and stronger lifters

Hypertrophy Specific Training is another one to read about. Do a google search on that one for the website. Basically it is a periodized program specifically to combine pure strength with hypertrophy.

i have to read this 5X5, people are constantly talking about it and i have no fukn idea wtf it is.

 

[Faizakafez]

We don't mind it at all. I nelson,omega,8and20,pp,myself,and others get threads like this all the time.

I agree with Jon, it's a slap in the face to all the bro's that look decent and are in shape and don't pimp PP and primo.

i dont understan why ppl title their threds like this....its like a slap in the face to all others that know what the fuck they are talking about

just pm someone if u wanna kiss their ass

 

[Tweakle]

A good way to reduce cortisol is to stop arguing about stuff on the internet

Taking a nice long hot shower, relaxing and going to bed early help

 

[Faizakafez]

A good way to reduce cortisol is to stop arguing about stuff on the internet

Taking a nice long hot shower, relaxing and going to bed early help

LOL,

you and the Derma and PRimo stack eh?

 

[Ross]

People call-out members who they feel are credible. This credibility is earned through posting consistent and reliable information. If you aren't being called out by the members, you aren't being active or informative enough

 

[Jon79]

yea

 

[Tatyana]

Simply ingesting 20-60grams of protein PWO will increase protein synthesis, that is the POINT of having a PROTEIN shake PWO!

Reducing cortisol is achieved by replenishing GLYCOGEN, which is accomplished by simply consuming some Dextrose with your PROTEIN shake.

I was asking for specifics, the mechanism.

I will give you an analogy, I have to fix things and trouble shoot in the lab all the time, clinical issues with patients, equipment, chemicals.

There is always the 'surface' answer, like 'the machine is broken' or 'the patient has a high potassium', but that is not always that helpful.

I have often gone back to basic biochemical pathways to figure out how to sort things out.

Because I know the premise of 'why' you can apply it to more scenarios than one.

Bodybuilding is very similar, it is applied biochemistry and physiology, and then you experiment to see how your body responds to it, what works, what doesn't work.

Taking in dextrose/glucose/sucrose post workout may not be the best way to trigger protein synthesis in all people, it may actually make some people put on more fat.

That is why I would prefer a more elaborate description, people know how it works, then they can see if it would apply to them.

 

[Jon79]

I was asking for specifics, the mechanism.

I will give you an analogy, I have to fix things and trouble shoot in the lab all the time, clinical issues with patients, equipment, chemicals.

There is always the 'surface' answer, like 'the machine is broken' or 'the patient has a high potassium', but that is not always that helpful.

I have often gone back to basic biochemical pathways to figure out how to sort things out.

Because I know the premise of 'why' you can apply it to more scenarios than one.

Bodybuilding is very similar, it is applied biochemistry and physiology, and then you experiment to see how your body responds to it, what works, what doesn't work.

Taking in dextrose/glucose/sucrose post workout may not be the best way to trigger protein synthesis in all people, it may actually make some people put on more fat.

That is why I would prefer a more elaborate description, people know how it works, then they can see if it would apply to them.

thank u

this is the shit im talking about

 

[needtogetaas]

I was asking for specifics, the mechanism.

I will give you an analogy, I have to fix things and trouble shoot in the lab all the time, clinical issues with patients, equipment, chemicals.

There is always the 'surface' answer, like 'the machine is broken' or 'the patient has a high potassium', but that is not always that helpful.

I have often gone back to basic biochemical pathways to figure out how to sort things out.

Because I know the premise of 'why' you can apply it to more scenarios than one.

Bodybuilding is very similar, it is applied biochemistry and physiology, and then you experiment to see how your body responds to it, what works, what doesn't work.

Taking in dextrose/glucose/sucrose post workout may not be the best way to trigger protein synthesis in all people, it may actually make some people put on more fat.

That is why I would prefer a more elaborate description, people know how it works, then they can see if it would apply to them.

So can you tell us then?

 

[Tatyana]

So can you tell us then?

Yes, and I have posted about this before on a number of occasions.

or

 

[needtogetaas]

Yes, and I have posted about this before on a number of occasions.

or

 

[Tatyana]

I will post up the biochem/physiology later, I was just giving Ross a chance to demonstrate his expertise.

We could use a few more really helpful experts on this board.