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Religious Conviction And Steroids.

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This topic has came up many times i am sure, but i can't find any in the search fields. What everybody thinks god feels about us using steroids to improve our physiques. Is there any religious people on the board and has a guilty conscience at time for using steroids. Does god thinks using steroids is polluting you body like cigerretes? I know god disapproves of smoking. What is everybodies opinion on this?
 
I think god wants me to have them. This is why he led me to the internet. I think he wants me to take gear until my arms are at least 20'':D

So it is said so let it be written.
 
I think he definetly views it as sining......i mean think about it, we are using drugs to help change our appearances. We should just be happy with our god given appearances( i wish i could take my own advice)
 
He also could be impressed that we care that much about our health that we are willing to stick ourselves everyday.:D
 
I am fairly religious and have come across quite a few scriptures stating god used anabolics back in the day.
 
God tells us to treat our body like a temple. If we are doing such by using anabolics then it is fine. If we completely ignore our health and punish our bodies then it would not be fine.

Also, God tells us to obey the laws of our lands. Meaning, we should abide by the laws of our Country. Well, tell Rosa Parks that.

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Nautica
 
God tells us to treat our body like a temple. If we are doing such by using anabolics then it is fine. If we completely ignore our health and punish our bodies then it would not be fine.
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Nautica has a good point. My thought is that your motivation and goals are key here. If your just doing it in an effort to get all the chicks you can, it's wrong. I can't deny that part of me wants to be big and bad to impress others. However, I have said before that I believe that, used properly in conjunction with quality training and nutrition, AAS can promote health. I don't chase women (no I'm not gay, I'm engaged to the woman I love) and my health, including my athletic training and development, is far more important to me than impressing anyone.
Also, God tells us to obey the laws of our lands. Meaning, we should abide by the laws of our Country. Well, tell Rosa Parks that.
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God also tells us that his law supersedes any law of man. Meaning we are not to follow any law that is intrinsically immoral. Not sure how that fits with AAS, but I do not believe that their use is intrinsically immoral.
 
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I'm surrently taking a medical ethics course, based on catholic morality.

So far i've learned that when jugding an action to be moral or immoral, you cannot just look at with face value. The intentions of the person are very important. So if you're doing it for cosmetic purposes, which i suppose 99.999% of the people use gear for this reason. then it is immoral and unethical.
oh, by the way, the church also says premarital sex and MASTURBATION is a mortal sin. So i don't really agree with the church, even though i am a practicing christian....:mad: :mix: :D :D

Let me know if this makes sence, i just got back from the gym (after sticking some fina and EQ in me) and i'm a little tired:D :rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes:
 
AND ANOTHER THING!

Food is arguably the most anabolic drug we use. (And yes, I do think argument can be made for food as a drug.) We (mankind) has learned how to manipulate diet to achieve amazing results regarding athletic and aesthetic development. Same thing goes for training - AAS or no AAS man is becoming a stronger. healthier, longer living animal. Whose to say that because a given supplement comes out of the sharp end of a syringe it is immoral. Yet, administerd by a doctor, that same administration of that same compound is righteous .
 
I'm surrently taking a medical ethics course, based on catholic morality.
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Catholic morality also says that conformity is evil - yet their methodology breeds conformity. Much of the churches official doctrine is admittedly based on "tradition" with no biblical foundation. Now I'm not saying that your point of fullfilling a purely narcissistic urge being immoral is false. But I'm alway skeptical of catholisism driven study.
 
gilly6993 said:
I am fairly religious and have come across quite a few scriptures stating god used anabolics back in the day.
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:p funny...but serioulsy..

I am very religious and practicing catholic, and have come across the questions many times..i then realllized, that creatine, ripped fuel, and all supplements are there to enhance our physical appearance....so why are steroids so bad? if one educates himself/herself about the drug, then they can maximize the benifits without potential dangers. The only difference is that steroids are illegal. That's it. Because of this, many are ignorant of how to use them, society just know's that steroids are "BAD", and we are taught never to take them. Marijuana is also illegal. I don't smoke weed all the time, i don't use it as an escape, but there have been times that ive smoked and i seroiusly don't see anything wrong with it. It depends on the individuals intentions as well. Somebody that drinks obsesively to escape from his problems, does drugs and become addicts...and can't have fun or live without there obsession. yes i see that wrong. But if you do it everyonce in a while to enjoy the occasion, and don't let the drug/drink become your life, then i see nothing worng with that...Jesus Christ drank wine...im sure he got buzzed...

yea i know so how does that fit with AS, same shit. I'm no one to judge, but i guess i would say that someone like ROnny Coleman and these pro bodybuilders maybe take it a little too far, and become obbsessed with winnng competitions, that they put there bodies in jeopardy and their health in order to win. i don't care what anybody sais, im pretty sure that ROnny and fucking other bodybuilders aren't healthy individuals with the UnGodly amount of AS in their bodies. But only God know's their intentions and only He can judge. Yea i guess that would be more wrong, but thats how life is. ON the other hand, if someone moderately uses AS for whatever reason, and doesn't let the AS become their obsession and life to the point that it takes over their entire life, then i see nothing wrong with that. Every man wants to improve his image, likes to have fun, party, and well thats just things that make us human. Is it wrong for a fat girl to go on a strict diet and suffer while doing it in order to loose weight? Some males work out and work out, and can't cross that plateue without roids...so if a person works out as a hobby, and enjoys what he does, why not use something that can aid, help, and maiximize results? just cause its' illegal?

It's also illegal for someone under 21 to drink. But its legal for a soldier thats 18 years old to give his life for our country. but he can't drink....the laws aren't always fair.
 
Silent Method said:

Catholic morality also says that conformity is evil - yet their methodology breeds conformity. Much of the churches official doctrine is admittedly based on "tradition" with no biblical foundation. Now I'm not saying that your point of fullfilling a purely narcissistic urge being immoral is false. But I'm alway skeptical of catholisism driven study.
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everything the catholic church teaches has foundation in the bible. there are 100's of scholars and others that try to intepret the bible, and of course shit is going to get mixed up. The catholic church keeps tradition while remaining true to what is said in the gospel..now if you want to get into the saints, the virgin mary, and other stuff..well thats a whole other thread. My best freind is christian, and we have our discussions back and forth when it comes to catholasism. But to this day, i always look in the bible trying to find a response to quesitons about catholasism.
 
str8cubano said:


everything the catholic church teaches has foundation in the bible. there are 100's of scholars and others that try to intepret the bible, and of course shit is going to get mixed up. The catholic church keeps tradition while remaining true to what is said in the gospel..now if you want to get into the saints, the virgin mary, and other stuff..well thats a whole other thread. My best freind is christian, and we have our discussions back and forth when it comes to catholasism. But to this day, i always look in the bible trying to find a response to quesitons about catholasism.
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Str8 i think you're right bro. the catholic church takes a lot of criticism, but it is not perfect; just like everything else in this world. the church does have its faults, but for the most part it is right. You're right when you said that catholicism IS based in the bible and tries to maintain tradition, and unlike many other religions of the world today, the catholic church has adopted to changes in culture and tradition. Many will argue against with church, without any justification, their reason is just based on their objective opinions. But there is an opponent to everything today. :D ;) :D
 
Anyone get the new Muscular Development? There is an article in the back called the book of genesis according to romano that has to do with this excact subject. It is very funny and worth buying the mag for.
 
I don't think God gives a flying fuck, to be honest. I used to be Catholic and struggled with questions like this. For much of my life I based decisions on the underlying fear and guilt that years of Catholic upringing had instilled in me. The most ironic part is that, since ceasing to call myself a practicing Catholic, I still make the same decisions now that I did then! Only now I feel those decisions have a much more solid foundation because I do/don't do certain things because of how I know they will make ME feel, not how they will make GOD feel.

I'm thankful for my Catholic upbringing and the perspective it has given me, but I feel so much free and confident in my decision making now that I did previously. I'm a HUGE believer in the divinity within each individual. I don't think in terms of "sin" or "making God angry" anymore. Instead, I think in terms of making decisions that will allow me to continue developing into the best person I can be.

I certainly don't think exogenous testosterone keeps me from being that person.
 
I am a born again Christian and have done many cycles, I am also 51 years old and I will be doing a lot of growth in the future.

There have been some very sage post regarding this subject, Specifically, silent method and str8cubano.

I don’t believe the Lord sees using gear any different than any other substance, meaning everything in moderation and your motivation are paramount.
 
1 Cor 23, 1 Cor 25-33
Scripture teaches on this with the issue of eating meat.
In those days there were some religious sects that were Christian that taught eating meat is wrong. Paul coreected them by saying "let each man be convinced in his own mind" ...this taking into account we are not talking about any specific list in scripture that is wrong (like murder, stealing, fornicating, drunkeness ect)!!
He also goes on to say that if you think its okay to eat meat then do not FLAUNT it in front of those who do think its wrong
....basically if you do juice and you think its okay keep it to yourself and don't argue with someone who thinks its not okay.
If you juice and think its wrong , then its wrong for you and you have made a decision to bring condemnation upon yourself.


Questions to ask:
Is juicing edifing and constructive to spiritual life?
If not, then what about driving a new automobile (Porshe, Ferrari ect)?? getting breast implants...a new hair style?
Does God want a better question from us besides is it wrong to juice? Or is He thinking we are really not concerned about the real issues?
Does juicing raise raise your conscientious scruples? If so , and you are truly a Christian why do you continue?
What about smoking? ...Greasy foods/Hot Dogs...Potatoe chips with BHA and BHT? Do these bother you or is it just the smoking ciggarettes?
Juicing DONE RIGHT (ie blood work/anti estros ect) is not unhealthy!


Food for thought!
Posting under wifes username!!!
 
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I don't believe god exactly cares about this type of thing...it's all in how you live your life as a whole, how you treat, help and enlighten others, and how you honor god by doing the best with what you are blessed with as well as growing spirtually, physically and mentally, which is your mission here on earth. Humans make things too complicated, I believe everything is so much simpler than we are told it is. Peace...
 
God totally disapproves of any AAS use, but God lets you make your own choices. Remember there are consequences for everything you do. And when you start to get sides and sick from AAS that is the way He will punish you.
“everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God” God knows your heart, and what your intentions are. So protect your heart. Don’t let AAS be your God.
I feel that as long as I don't let it take over my life, and put it before God that I can still have relationship with God.
 
I am very religious and practicing catholic, and have come across the questions many times..i then realllized, that creatine, ripped fuel, and all supplements are there to enhance our physical appearance....so why are steroids so bad? if one educates himself/herself about the drug, then they can maximize the benifits without potential dangers. The only difference is that steroids are illegal. That's it. Because of this, many are ignorant of how to use them, society just know's that steroids are "BAD", and we are taught never to take them. Marijuana is also illegal. I don't smoke weed all the time, i don't use it as an escape, but there have been times that ive smoked and i seroiusly don't see anything wrong with it. It depends on the individuals intentions as well. Somebody that drinks obsesively to escape from his problems, does drugs and become addicts...and can't have fun or live without there obsession. yes i see that wrong. But if you do it everyonce in a while to enjoy the occasion, and don't let the drug/drink become your life, then i see nothing worng with that...Jesus Christ drank wine...im sure he got buzzed...
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Great points. On the issuee of marijuana, I can vouch first hand that it's abuse can be quite immoral. My life was CENTERED around the shit for 5 years - it was all day everyday and it came first. Today I don't touch the stuff but my older sister, who never had any experience with it untill after I had quit, uses it on occasion. For her it's fine. She can, and does, do without it just fine without a second thought.
BTW, I forget which Psalm it is that says "the Lord has given us wine to gladden the heart of man."

everything the catholic church teaches has foundation in the bible. there are 100's of scholars and others that try to intepret the bible, and of course shit is going to get mixed up. The catholic church keeps tradition while remaining true to what is said in the gospel..now if you want to get into the saints, the virgin mary, and other stuff..well thats a whole other thread. My best freind is christian, and we have our discussions back and forth when it comes to catholasism. But to this day, i always look in the bible trying to find a response to quesitons about catholasism.
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Well, 12 years of catholic schooling has taught me different. I mean deacons, priests, and sisters will flat out tell you that some church practices are based purely on tradition. Not that they're necessarily bad.
 
BIGRICH, I'm not sure if God totally disapproves of any AAS use. I'm just not sure. But you are right that we all sin and, in the end, it is by what is in our hearts that we will will be judged by.
 
Interesting...

Very philosophical question... You'll get 100's of different opinions, since how God feels about anything not directly listed in any of the holy books is left to interpretation.

God doesn't enjoy debauchery, or anything in excess. In many parts of the Bible it states that everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. As well, if you must do something, make sure you do it the right way.

Immediate gratification is the antithesis of the bible - so you're actually supposed to be patient and faithful... You can interpret this as meaning that steroids give immediate gratification, but in the long run may not provide happiness, so you should refrain. Then again, maybe in small amounts it may not be as bad...

Overall, if it's illegal where you live, you're breaking the law, something God doesn't advocate, so you can look at it that way too.

It's a mixed bag. :mix:
 
At the gym the other day there was this poster about a group of athletes who went around and did demonstrations of strength etc, bench press, bend bars and stuff like that. They had all thier pics on this small poster and I can gurantee not a one of them was natural. Anyways, come to find out they were sponsored by a church and thier message was one to keep kids off the street, off drugs and out of trouble. I found it all rather ironic.
 
Zyglamail said:
At the gym the other day there was this poster about a group of athletes who went around and did demonstrations of strength etc, bench press, bend bars and stuff like that. They had all thier pics on this small poster and I can gurantee not a one of them was natural. Anyways, come to find out they were sponsored by a church and thier message was one to keep kids off the street, off drugs and out of trouble. I found it all rather ironic.
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yeah they came to my highschool which was like 5yrs ago but they were huge somebitches i think they were called the Power Team, they could tear phonebooks blow up those hot water pads and everything crazy somebitches....
 
I once had a talk with God I told him I was juicing in order to kick the morons in the streets. I think he OK with me...:angel:
 
I think vanity is a sin in most religions. So if you are using just to look good well then I guess you are a sinner. In my religion steriodolgy, I pray to the juice gods every night that my packages lest not get seized and that my shit is real.
 
LONE_AZ said:
I think vanity is a sin in most religions. So if you are using just to look good well then I guess you are a sinner. In my religion steriodolgy, I pray to the juice gods every night that my packages lest not get seized and that my shit is real.
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BWHAHAHAHA

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
 
BIGRICH said:
God totally disapproves of any AAS use, but God lets you make your own choices. Remember there are consequences for everything you do. And when you start to get sides and sick from AAS that is the way He will punish you.
“everyone sins and falls short of the glory of God” God knows your heart, and what your intentions are. So protect your heart. Don’t let AAS be your God.
I feel that as long as I don't let it take over my life, and put it before God that I can still have relationship with God.
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Bigrich,

Have you been sent by God to let people know exactly how he feels. What makes you think that you know God believes it is wrong. What reason would God have for believing AAS was wrong.

As far as punishment for AAS. I am much healthier at 30 years old than I was at 25, prior to using AAS. Is it the AAS that made me healthier or the lifestyle which I live.

I DO TREAT MY BODY AS A TEMPLE, WHICH IS WHAT GOD TELLS US TO DO.

Nautica
 
Zyglamail said:
At the gym the other day there was this poster about a group of athletes who went around and did demonstrations of strength etc, bench press, bend bars and stuff like that. They had all thier pics on this small poster and I can gurantee not a one of them was natural. Anyways, come to find out they were sponsored by a church and thier message was one to keep kids off the street, off drugs and out of trouble. I found it all rather ironic.
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"The Power Team" oh yeah, they juice. And they eat way to many Cheeseburgers too.

Nautica
 
This could go onand on! some people thinks its o.k. to steel cuz htey say,they have too much they woint miss it,others say,oh I have mental issues,thats why I whent to school and gunned all my freinds down! Or I wasnt speeding,everyone else is,why can I
so in many ways what ever fits in our shoe,we put it on,and if it dont ft,then we make it fit dont we? and so do people with religion,they say well my view of what God thinks,or what I know he thinks,its kinda the same,If you believe in god,and the the bible was inspired from him,for men to do what was right in his view on htings,not ours,then the question itself has allready been answered! hasnt it? I can lay out the bible verse anyway i want it ,to benifit myself,or i can be submisive and submit to do gods will and not mine! Im just making a statemeant here,as said You could call me a hypocrite, but the facts are the facts!
 
God hates "PRIDE" and PRIDE will bring lust and errogance and swisted thinking all these people that say they look like a god because the way there built or there size needs to be careful what they say because JESUS IS A JEALOUS GOD and there is ONE GOD ONLY, this might sound stupid to some but when we die be today or tomorrow we will know then and it will be forever and all the unbelief will be no more. GOD PLEASE HELP US ALL!!!
 
This could go onand on! some people thinks its o.k. to steel cuz htey say,they have too much they woint miss it,others say,oh I have mental issues,thats why I whent to school and gunned all my freinds down! Or I wasnt speeding,everyone else is,why can I
so in many ways what ever fits in our shoe,we put it on,and if it dont ft,then we make it fit dont we? and so do people with religion,they say well my view of what God thinks,or what I know he thinks,its kinda the same,If you believe in god,and the the bible was inspired from him,for men to do what was right in his view on htings,not ours,then the question itself has allready been answered! hasnt it? I can lay out the bible verse anyway i want it ,to benifit myself,or i can be submisive and submit to do gods will and not mine! Im just making a statemeant here,as said You could call me a hypocrite, but the facts are the facts!
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I believe that every man knows in his hear right from wrong, and yes, this can vary. But their are some fundamental constants.
 
Delinquent said:
Who cares. Do what you want and enjoy your life
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gee i don't know..ever heard of eternal life? ever heard about going to heaven when you die? must be pretty sad to live your life thinking that when you die its all over.
 
str8 if your referring to my post I think you misunderstood bro, I not saying its over I know theres eternal life I'm just saying that if we aren't right with GOD when we die we prob won't like the place we go heaven and hell are eternal. We myself can't live wrong and die right thats all. Peace
 
You people need da strength to stop impregnating yourselves with the devils semen that is AS, and eat cabbage:freak:
 
God!!!

Well I love God and I do not really feel convicted about steroids. Only if I dont care about myself. It has to do with your motives. I love feeling good about myself. besides it got me out of HARDCORE drugs!!!!
 
pittbull2 said:
str8 if your referring to my post I think you misunderstood bro, I not saying its over I know theres eternal life I'm just saying that if we aren't right with GOD when we die we prob won't like the place we go heaven and hell are eternal. We myself can't live wrong and die right thats all. Peace
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no bro i quoted deliquent not you...
 
god changes his opinions with every social revolution. if you don't like this god's views on steroids, move to southeast asia, where steroids are otc and god is okey dokey on the subject.
 
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