Re post -: cycle critique

[Marcgidney]

Age 23
85kg
11-12% body fat
175cm

This will
Be 4th cycle

(No trolls )

SUSS250- 500mg a week 1-12
Dbol - 30mg Ed week 1-4
Anavar - 50mg ed week 9-14
Nova 20mg ed week 1-4
Test prop 100mg eod week 12-14

Hcg- week 7-8 :- 1000iu for a week
Week 13-14 ". "

PCT
WEEK 15-18
Nova 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50

 

[superturkey]

Age 23
85kg
11-12% body fat
175cm

This will
Be 4th cycle

(No trolls )

SUSS250- 500mg a week 1-12
Dbol - 30mg Ed week 1-4
Anavar - 50mg ed week 9-14
Nova 20mg ed week 1-4
Test prop 100mg eod week 12-14

Hcg- week 7-8 :- 1000iu for a week
Week 13-14 ". "

PCT
WEEK 15-18
Nova 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50

Looks great man.

Few things I would do differently:

Up the Anavar to 80mg
Drop Nolva on cycle, just use Aromasin at 12.5mg ED while on Dbol, drop to EOD after Dbol.
Add a Test booster to PCT, DAA. And Osta is great.
Clomid 50/50/25/25(no difference to go to 100)

Otherwise its great, I like that you use prop at the end, I always swap to short esters to keeps levels strong.


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[dylangemelli]

Age 23
85kg
11-12% body fat
175cm

This will
Be 4th cycle

(No trolls )

SUSS250- 500mg a week 1-12
Dbol - 30mg Ed week 1-4
Anavar - 50mg ed week 9-14
Nova 20mg ed week 1-4
Test prop 100mg eod week 12-14

Hcg- week 7-8 :- 1000iu for a week
Week 13-14 ". "

PCT
WEEK 15-18
Nova 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50

you need support with your orals... n2guard needs to be ran along side... run aromasin with dbol, not nolval... your pct is far from complete and your running clomid too high at 100... have you considered adding sarms to your cycle to fully enhance it? here is how i would run this...

1-12 sust 500 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-14 gw 501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 hcgenerate es
13-14 hcg 500 ius week
15-16 1000 ius week
9-14 anavar 60 mg day
9-14 n2guard
12-14 test prop 100 mg eod

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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[Nelson Montana]

Looks great man.

Few things I would do differently:

Up the Anavar to 80mg
Drop Nolva on cycle, just use Aromasin at 12.5mg ED while on Dbol, drop to EOD after Dbol.
Add a Test booster to PCT, DAA. And Osta is great.
Clomid 50/50/25/25(no difference to go to 100)

Otherwise its great, I like that you use prop at the end, I always swap to short esters to keeps levels strong.


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This is horrible advice.

First of all, 80 mgs of anavar is beyond the range of safe. Along with 30 mgs of d-bol is incredibly stupid. DO NOT do that. Not if you care about your health at least.

Also, Ostra isn't a test booster. It's suppressive. It'd fine to extend a cycle but it will not help in restoring the HPTA. UNLEASHED will increase Free T (the only T that matters) without suppression at a time when you need it as high as possible. I also agree with Dylans advice about using N2GUARD while on when using orals

I'm also not a fan of Clomid but some people like it. That's a matter of opinion. The rest is fact. Remember, any anonymous person on a message board can give advice and sound knowledgable. They may even be sincere. But that doesn't mean the knowledge is accurate.

 

[infraredline]

Age 23
85kg
11-12% body fat
175cm

This will
Be 4th cycle

(No trolls )

SUSS250- 500mg a week 1-12
Dbol - 30mg Ed week 1-4
Anavar - 50mg ed week 9-14
Nova 20mg ed week 1-4
Test prop 100mg eod week 12-14

Hcg- week 7-8 :- 1000iu for a week
Week 13-14 ". "

PCT
WEEK 15-18
Nova 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50

- Honestly I would lower your sust dose to 250mg a week and add in another injectable compound such as eq.

- Not a big fan of UG var, if its pharma then you wouldn't need to run it higher then 20mg a day to see phenomenal results.

- rather then the var at the end run epistane (40mg a day), halodrol (75mg a day) or turinabol (50-60mg a day) from weeks 9-14

- Need a cycle support supplement like N2Guard, at the very least do your self a favor and run some liver support for you orals (tudca and n-acetyl cysteine)

- run aromasin at 12.5mg eod, arimidex at .25mg eod, or formastanzol at 10 pumps daily, rather then Nolva. Also they need to be run from weeks 1-15

- get rid of the test p at the end of the cycle

- run hcg at 1000iu a week along side 1000iu of vitamin e a day from weeks 11-15

Pct should look as follows:
16-19 clomid 50/25/25/25 (ag-guys.com) or torem 90/60/60/30 (pm me)
16-19 unleashed (proteinfactory.com)
16-19 hcgenerate (needtobuildmuscle.com)
16-19 liquidex (needtobuildmuscle.com)

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

you need support with your orals... n2guard needs to be ran along side... run aromasin with dbol, not nolval... your pct is far from complete and your running clomid too high at 100... have you considered adding sarms to your cycle to fully enhance it? here is how i would run this...

1-12 sust 500 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-14 gw 501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 hcgenerate es
13-14 hcg 500 ius week
15-16 1000 ius week
9-14 anavar 60 mg day
9-14 n2guard
12-14 test prop 100 mg eod

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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First time I see an admin including Tamoxifen on a layout, now I don't know if you tolerate its existence or hate it haha.
Hey man, aren't you suposed to not include HCG on PCT?
Just trying to learn.
THANKS!

 

[infraredline]

First time I see an admin including Tamoxifen on a layout, now I don't know if you tolerate its existence or hate it haha.
Hey man, aren't you suposed to not include HCG on PCT?
Just trying to learn.
THANKS!

Some of us still hate it, some like it, that's the beauty of this forum, you get a taste of just about every layout whether it be cycle layouts or oct layouts, we all have our preferences and we are more then happy to share them with the community.

 

[Lou Super Man 123]

Some of us still hate it, some like it, that's the beauty of this forum, you get a taste of just about every layout whether it be cycle layouts or oct layouts, we all have our preferences and we are more then happy to share them with the community.

Not sure if it is a beauty because my comments get deleted with no explanation at all as soon as I say something that doesn't include NTBM products so there is no "Taste of every layout" because there is only one layout allowed here. I made a thread called "What's your best cycle+PCT free of NTBM products", BOOM!, deleted.

Everytime I get censored I re-read the rules but I never found anything that says "You CAN'T talk about cycles and PCTs that don't include NTBM products"

So I'm just perplexed about it.

In fact I'm sure this comment won't last 5 minutes, hopefully you will read it at time.

 

[superturkey]

Not sure if it is a beauty because my comments get deleted with no explanation at all as soon as I say something that doesn't include NTBM products so there is no "Taste of every layout" because there is only one layout allowed here. I made a thread called "What's your best cycle+PCT free of NTBM products", BOOM!, deleted.

Everytime I get censored I re-read the rules but I never found anything that says "You CAN'T talk about cycles and PCTs that don't include NTBM products"

So I'm just perplexed about it.

In fact I'm sure this comment won't last 5 minutes, hopefully you will read it at time.

Thats because this forum is a marketing campaign, I do use NTBM products, I even made a decent order yesterday to take advantage of the discounts. But yea I agree sometimes its a bit too much how it gets shoved down your throat.

Its at the point where you have to decide is this actually worth listening to, or listen to people that actually have an open mind with a wide range of effective products and theories.
People that take this game more seriously than selling product.
But thats the nature of the game, they gotta pay the bills.


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[superturkey]

This is horrible advice.

First of all, 80 mgs of anavar is beyond the range of safe. Along with 30 mgs of d-bol is incredibly stupid. DO NOT do that. Not if you care about your health at least.

Also, Ostra isn't a test booster. It's suppressive. It'd fine to extend a cycle but it will not help in restoring the HPTA. UNLEASHED will increase Free T (the only T that matters) without suppression at a time when you need it as high as possible. I also agree with Dylans advice about using N2GUARD while on when using orals

I'm also not a fan of Clomid but some people like it. That's a matter of opinion. The rest is fact. Remember, any anonymous person on a message board can give advice and sound knowledgable. They may even be sincere. But that doesn't mean the knowledge is accurate.

Holding a grudge I see.

If you noticed Dylans advice, It was almost a duplicate of my own. So your saying Dylan has horrible advice too?

We both stated:

Increase Anavar (my preference in 80mg because var is mild)
Lower clomid
Add osta into PCT
Add aromasin
Remove Nolve from cycle

Yes I should have added a liver guard. Maybe Tudca or N2gaurd or equivalent.

And besides selling products from the sponsers that was the only difference.

So how was this horrible advice again?
Because I didn't sell him anything?


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[Marcgidney]

Ha ok sweet guys
I'll up the var to 60mg ed
Cut the nova out and drop the amount of Clomid down
If I was to add another compound what are some ideas

Goal of this cycle is to harden up and get more veiny but also keeping/ putting on more size

 

[dylangemelli]

S4 will harden you up and get you extremely vascular

 

[Nelson Montana]

Holding a grudge I see.

If you noticed Dylans advice, It was almost a duplicate of my own. So your saying Dylan has horrible advice too?

We both stated:

Increase Anavar (my preference in 80mg because var is mild)
Lower clomid
Add osta into PCT
Add aromasin
Remove Nolve from cycle

Yes I should have added a liver guard. Maybe Tudca or N2gaurd or equivalent.

And besides selling products from the sponsers that was the only difference.

So how was this horrible advice again?
Because I didn't sell him anything?


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Why would I have a grudge? Tell you what....you can knock off the snot nosed act now, okay? It's lame.

Listen up.

It's horrible advice because of the dosages you recommended. You say that var is "mild" but you're just parroting message board guru bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. Var is every bit as liver toxic as most any other oral and 110 mgs of orals is insane.

This is where Dylan and I disagree. He likes Osta more than I. He likes extending a cycle with it, and I can see that working, it's just not what I would recommend. But it does not help restore HPTA. That's a fact.

 

[Marcgidney]

S4 what is that sorry never heard of it

 

[superturkey]

Why would I have a grudge? Tell you what....you can knock off the snot nosed act now, okay? It's lame.

Listen up.

It's horrible advice because of the dosages you recommended. You say that var is "mild" but you're just parroting message board guru bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. Var is every bit as liver toxic as most any other oral and 110 mgs of orals is insane.

This is where Dylan and I disagree. He likes Osta more than I. He likes extending a cycle with it, and I can see that working, it's just not what I would recommend. But it does not help restore HPTA. That's a fact.

He isn't running var and dbol together. So it is not 110mgs, they are a month apart.
And when I say mild I am referencing its effects. That is just my opinion. Because I had very little effect below 80mg. But that is where people are different. And as I originally stated I said 'this is what I would do' not this is what you should do.



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[Nelson Montana]

He isn't running var and dbol together. So it is not 110mgs, they are a month apart.
And when I say mild I am referencing its effects. That is just my opinion. Because I had very little effect below 80mg. But that is where people are different. And as I originally stated I said 'this is what I would do' not this is what you should do.



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That's true, I missed that he was splitting up the var and d-bol. Still, I think 80 mgs is a lot. And yeah, var is mild in regard to effect which in a way makes it MORE harsh because you need that much more. Never been a big fan of it myself.

Hey, anybody can recommend more and more and the results will be more and more. But is there any science to it? Is the risk to ratio considered? If not, then there's no rhyme or reason to any of this. Fill the syringe to the top and shoot -- as often as possible. That'll work every time.

 

[Marcgidney]

Yeah sorry I've been researching and i have found that winny would be better for me with this cycle instead of the var what are your thoughts ?

 

[superturkey]

Yeah sorry I've been researching and i have found that winny would be better for me with this cycle instead of the var what are your thoughts ?

Winny is stronger and cheaper. Which is why most prefer it.

And you will only need 50mg ED.
Some people have sides such as dry joints and it is more liver toxic.

But it's fine for me i'm currently on it. Ramped up to 75mg for the last week or two.
I also run both Tudca and n2guard though.


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[Essie]

Winny is stronger and cheaper. Which is why most prefer it.

And you will only need 50mg ED.
Some people have sides such as dry joints and it is more liver toxic.

But it's fine for me i'm currently on it. Ramped up to 75mg for the last week or two.
I also run both Tudca and n2guard though.


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^^ I am one of the unlucky ones who experience extreme joint pain on Winny even at a dose of 20mg/day. I use Taurine and Glucosamine and start using my support supps 2 weeks prior to Winny, but the pain is still very much there. I run it on average at 40mg/day Mo-Fri and leave weekends for my joints to recuperate a bit. Nobody reacts exactly the same to any compound and I know of guys who run it @ 75mg/day for 6 weeks straight, no days off, and are fine with it.

I would not run Sus below 500mg a week ... ever. There is no point to that as the different esters in there lead to low mg/ml of any specific ester. Of all the compounds available, Sus is my least favourite. You have some very fast ester, some mild esters and then some longer acting esters in the blend, which means that you need quite a bit of the compound in order to see/obtain decent results. I have had numerous members argue with me on here and other boards about my opinion on this. If you want to run it based on the short esters, then you need to pin at least 3 times a week. If, however, you choose to focus on the longer esters, you need to pin no less than 500mg of the blend a week as the concentration of long esters is too low to justify anything less. If it were me, I would much much much rather run a clean Cyp or Enan Test ... and I usually advise people to that extent. 350 - 500mg Cyp or Enan a week is better than the equivalent of Sust ... and it hurts less as there is no Prop in the mix. Also, if you are running Sust at appropriate dosage, then the short esters in the mix eliminate the need for a front-load with an oral like DBol.

I would run a cycle for results you have in mind as follows:

Cyp - 500mg a week 1-12
Dbol - 30mg Ed week 1-4
Winny - 40/50mg ed week 9-14
HCG - 500iu/week week 13-14
HCG - 1000iu/week week 15-16
HCGenerate - Week 5-12 as indicated
Test prop - 100mg eod week 12-14
n2guard - As indicated 9-14

PCT is good as Dylan laid it out for you.

Please note: This is only my opinion as I have experimented with single ester Test alike and Test blends like Sus before and my opinion is based on my experience while on it and bloods taken during and after those cycles.

 

[Marcgidney]

Ok ok thanks haha but ye I've ran test e before and my body just explodes with water so I'm gonna just test the suss out I was going to pin twice a week but I may as we'll pin every 3 days at 250mg each shot considering I'm getting the pharma 1ml bottles and ye I've decided to just run avar

 

[Essie]

LOL! If you carry too much water, then look at an AI like Aromasin @ 12.5mg eod. Anywhoooooo ... best of luck with your cycle ... remember, eat right, train hard and rest enough, you'll grow.

 

[C0LUMB0]

Bant!!!!!!!!