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gjohnson5 said:
Urlacher is THE most overrated player in the league.. The only time I get him is on Madden b/c he's 88 speed.. lol.. He will get his ass handed to him against a power running team like San Diego, Kansas City, Baltimore..
Urlacher is a GREAT blitzer, he is an average coverage LB, good tackler, but he doesn't have the brain capacity to run a defense.. Notice when the Bucs came back on them, 80% of the plays were over the middle.. The Bears run the Tampa 2 defense and in that defense, the MLB covers the middle half of the field taking away skinny posts and tight ends.. Rattay glanced at his 4th string receiver Stovall, urlacher overcommitted to him and Rattay fired back side to SORRY ass Ike Hilliard and hilliard took it to the house. Granted, Chicago was already banged up in the secondary at safety, it is the MLB responsibility in that situation.
The Bucs defense was most successful with a very smart, agile athletic Hardy Nickerson and before Shelton Quarles lost his athletic ability..
I am a huge Bucs fan and while I think that Barrett Ruud is a solid tackler and a bright kid, he doesn't have the athleticism necessary to play MLB for the Bucs.. We're in serious trouble with Brooks aging and Ryan Nece being average at best and Ruud in the middle.. The Bucs really screwed up when they let Ian Gold go back to Denver, he's a perfect LB for our system..
Hell, Urlacher might not even be the best LB on his team, Lance Briggs is better, he plays Will (weakside) and is an awesome cover corner.. Briggs and Crowell for the Bills are the most underrated LBs in the league..
Urlacher is athletic, has great acceleration, agility, and top end speed, but he just doesn't have the tenacity or instincts of a Ray Lewis.. Then again people who aren't former murder suspects usually don't have as much tenacity..
If Zack Thomas had Urlacher's athletic ability the Dolphins wouldn't give up more than 150 yards/game, guaranteed.. He may arguably be the best MLB pound for pound and inch for inch that this game will EVER see..
The best overall MLB in the game is Johnathan Vilma for the Jets.. Watch him play, he is around the ball every single play and he's one helluva guy..
The Best overall defensive player in the NFL is Jason Taylor, that guy is amazing, he just gets better every year.. How did he go to Akron?!?!?!?
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T-Matt said:
Wow, good insight. I agree with most of it except that Urlacher is the most overrated. Urlacher is good because of his athletic ability. He is very fast, very quick, very strong, very big and makes big plays constantly. That more then makes up for his lack of intelligence.
Ray Lewis is the best linebacker I have ever seen when he was in his prime. Absolutely dominating athleticism and incredible intelligence.
Briggs isn't realy underrated anymore. People who understand football know how good Briggs is, he will get a huge contract next year. Crowell I'm not too high on.
Zach Thomas is amazing. If this man was 6'3 250 and ran a 4.4 he would revolutionize the concept of defense. I have never seen a more intelligent football player. Him and Peyton Manning are in a league of their own out there.
Again I agree about Vilma. I just feel bad for him that he got Mangini. Vilma is going to be the NFL's next dominating LB. He is a smarter person then Lewis and he is more athletic. Only short coming is he is a smaller guy. He could blossom into one of the best linebackers in history. As soon as his contract is up he needs to get away from the 3-4. Vilma is not a 3-4 backer and Mangini is an idiot for putting his best player in a position where he can't succede.
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NJL52 said:
Wow, exactly!! lol.. I couldn't have said it any better with Vilma.. Man can you imagine Vilma with the Jags?
I hope he leaves the Jets and goes to the Jags.. Playing behind Stroud and Henderson he would be insane, he would lead the league in tackles EVERY year (hell he already did last year, I think).. Vilma would be better off at will LB in his current defense with Mangini.. Of course, I'd also love to see Vilma go to Tampa and play MLB in the Tampa 2 
Brian Urlacher is the reason the Bears will NOT win the Super Bowl.. Watch him against any good QB, he overcommits in pass coverage instead of staying in his ZONE.. If Urlacher didn't play behind Tommie Harris and company we would barely here from him.. Remember a few years back when he played behind Ted Washington? He was the talk of the league, as soon as Washington left people stopped talking about Urlacher.. Now that Harris is out for the season, watch for URlacher's name to be called less.. There are some young athletic centers in the league who are capable of getting after Urlacher.. The Eagles would give The Bears a fit because Shawn Andrews would chip off the DT and flatten Urlacher..
(I'm still a bit sour over the tampa game, lol)Very good insight from you as well!
I'd like to hear your views on..
-Deangelo Hall? He has Champ Bailey like athleticism but I think he is overrated as hell!!
-Vince Young? Man, he is just continuing to be a playmaker!! He could surpass Vick's field managment by the end of this year. If they get into the playoffs watch out!! They have a solid offense and defensive line and Travis Henry has been running the rock lately!
-Troy Polumalu? he is very athletic but I think he's overrated he got scorched this past weekend TWICE.. He seems to get beat a lot deep b/c he's so commited to the run..
The next breakout player offensively and defensively?
Personally...
Offensively-Roy Williams-Detroit Lions.. Man, I thought for sure with Mike Martz he was going to turn out a Tory Holt like season.. (Mike Furrey has a solid season and cost me a Fantasy Football champsion!) If Roy Williams played for the old Rams he'd have 90 catches and 1400 seasons..
Defensively-(Before this season I told all my friends to watch out for Aaron Kampman and he has had a helluva year) Next year, I'd watch out for Mathias Kiwanuka (if Strahan starts to have his PT limited)..
Best Offensive and Defensive Lineman in the game?
Offensively- Walter Jones.. See 66% of Alexander's running plays are on his side of the line.. Need I say more?
Defensively- Aside from Jason Taylor who is just ridiculous, just watch Casey Hampton from the Steelers, he gets double teamed EVERY play but still gets penetration like 75% of the time, it's truly amazing, he's a strong technically sound player.
Most disappointing player as of late? I'd have to go with OT Mike Williams.. MAN, he is a fucking freak of nature but he is as soft as Cottonelle Toilet Paper, it's a fucking shame!!!!! Athleticism wise.. Man, Chris Chambers needs a new fucking team, I swear, everytime I see him he is wide open and he makes some of the most insane catches ever.. Some one please get him a QB!!!!! Bring Dan Marino back!!!!
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gjohnson5 said:
Yeah it was.. It's really too bad.. He had great athleticism, great tenacity, a knack for the ball, and on top of that he was a very humble guy.. I remember his interview with ESPN after the game he broke the NFL record for sacks in a game with 7.. He was almost shy.. lol.. Now if that was Randy Moss or TO shit.. I"M THE MAN BABY, DUH, LOOK AT ME!!
DT is a lot like Marvin Harrison and Tomlinson in that he never celebrated he just made big plays and went back to the huddle or sprinted to the sideline..
Really is too bad...
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T-Matt said:
Same type of player as Bailey. He is young and inexperienced. And just like Champ, he has ridiculous athleticism which allows him to be good. Once he gets some more expierience he will be the best in the league.
Dumb as a rock, but has amazing instincts that make up for it. Always makes the right decision as far as when to run and when to pass. The interceptions will come down with time and he will be one of the best QBs in the league. He is a better runner then Vick. His instincts lets him choose the rights time to scramble, he is very deceptive with his speed, he is always underrated as far as speed goes. I predict him to be a top quarterback within the next couple years, especially with Fischer as his head coach.
Haven't watched him enough to judge him. lol I despise the Steelers and avoid them at all costs.
ooo touch question.
Offense: For this season I stated: Larry Johnson and Sean Alexander would be exposed for their lack of ability. Larry Johnson has a 4.0 or something average with a still amazing line. Sean Alexander has struggled an ass load without Hutchinson. My big call was Frank Gore. I said if it wasn't for the two acl tears he would be the number 1 pick in the draft and the best RB in the NFL after a short time. But since he tore his knee I said he would still be a very good NFL back. My next predicition is a short career for Gore due to his injury problems.
Devin Hester. He is the most athletic person in the NFL, bar none. He is faster then Reggie Bush in every aspect. Just he came from bad coaching. If Lovie Smith is as good as I think he is, he will find a way to get this kid the ball. He will tell him, "look, you are going to be playing offense for your entire career in Chicago, learn how to be a reciever." At Miami, Coker had him changing between defense and offense every week and it didn't work. Once this kid gets taught how to play offense, he will be unstoppable.
Defense: Hrmmmm...hard to say.
Sean Taylor: The most athletic player on defense. Wow does Miami produce some talent. Anyways. Sean Taylor is the most physically dominating player in the NFL since Lawerence Taylor. (Trick to being a good NFL player, have the last name Taylor: Sean, Lawerence, Jason etc etc) Speed of a cornerback at 4.4, size of a 3-4 outside LB at 6-3 235-240, jumping ability of a wide reciever. His hitting ability is in his own echelon, there has never been a defensive player that scares recievers like Taylor. He has all the tools to revolutionize the safety position. BUT!!!!! He doesn't have the intelligence and expierience. He gets beat often, he gets tricked often. In the next few years I expect him to become more in tune with the game and more intelligent.
In short: He already is a top 3 safety in the NFL, but I expect him to be above Ronnie Lott in the next 3 years.
Needs a quarterback first! Sadly, they will draft Quinn who I am confident will be a bust.
Good call with Kampman.
Left Tackle: Walter Jones
Left Guard: Steve Hutchinson
Center: Kreutz
Right Guard: Will Shields
Right Tackle: Dunno
Most overrated player in the NFL
Coincidently, Larry Johnson and Sean Alexander.
My homerism tells me JT is the best player, my anti homerism tells me that I'm being a homer when I say that. But since you said it, I agree with you about JT. =P
Hrmmmm...Not to brag but I don't see any huge disapointments often becuase I can normally tell whats going to happen. I never listen to ESPN or NFL network etc so I don't hype up the guys who don't deserve it.
As much as I hate to say it, Chambers is either a. very uninspired, or b. not very good.
1. This year he has shown no ability to beat coverage. Your route runnning skills realy are shown in the short passing game. With Harrington at QB, a QB who can't throw the deep ball and is a 100% short ball passer, Chambers has had an awful season.
2. He can't consistent catches. Me and some friends have coined the term "chamber'd." It means one play you will do a tripple backflip, blindfolded and catch the ball with 2 fingers while upside down on a 50 yard pass. The next 5 plays you drop the ball that hits you in stride on the hands with perfect placement at chest level. He is the epitome of inconsistency.
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NJL52 said:
This may arguably be the funniest thing I have ever heard!!!
Chambered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He's inconsistant because he's never had a stable QB!!!!!!
He's like, ok, gotta make a play, gotta make a play and he fucking does like you said and makes that spectacular play.. but on 1st and 10 and running a slant it hits him in the hands b/c he's like "dude, it ain't 3rd and 27 yet, wtf?"
lol
Great post man!!
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At some point you just have to do your job and catch balls. To me a stable quarterback in not an excuse for missing easy passes
T-Matt said:This may arguably be the funniest thing I have ever heard!!!
He's inconsistant because he's never had a stable QB!!!!!!
He's like, ok, gotta make a play, gotta make a play and he fucking does like you said and makes that spectacular play.. but on 1st and 10 and running a slant it hits him in the hands b/c he's like "dude, it ain't 3rd and 27 yet, wtf?"
lol
Great post man!!
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Right Tackle-Maurice Williams Jacksonville Jaguars
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Jason Taylor is awsome but I just reember when that big Offensive lineman fronm the Jaquars humiliated him. Their match up was highlighted and he just pancaked Jason and stopped him from blitzing and all. Taylor tried to pick a fight with him and it was a calassic scene, with that big O lineman waving Taylor on to come to him. Taylor was beaten ion that game more than I ever seena D lineman.
I forgot that linemans name...was an Italian one. Doubt he is still around. He was huge though and amazingly quick.
I forgot that linemans name...was an Italian one. Doubt he is still around. He was huge though and amazingly quick.
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mookie said:
he was a stud !!!
nice to see u givin o-lineman some gratitude.
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brian urlacher had a really good season so im gonna have to go with him he has proved himself seriously on defense... and has contributed to comeback games such as the one against the cardinals.. LT has to be the best linebacker of all time tho
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Lt was the greatest. I think he was hitting the pipe in the bathroom then leveling players on the field. Ray Lewis in his prime is way better than urlacher will ever be.
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Since he got off of the Murder charges he seems to have lost a step. Typical thug.
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stupidest thread ever.
ray lewis is greatness. urlacher has a lot to prove before he can be compared. he hasn't done shit all season. urlacher has missed tackles, assignments, and now he claims he needs a break???? cuz of an ailing back.
ray lewis played the first game of the season with one arm functioning the other one was dangling at his side and he was still the best player on that defense.
and how the hell is ray lewis slowing down, he in the best shape ever. and the ravens have the 4th hardest schedule in the nfl.
this comparison is weak.
like comparing jordan to pippen.
zach thomas is a better middle backer than urlacher.
ray lewis is greatness. urlacher has a lot to prove before he can be compared. he hasn't done shit all season. urlacher has missed tackles, assignments, and now he claims he needs a break???? cuz of an ailing back.
ray lewis played the first game of the season with one arm functioning the other one was dangling at his side and he was still the best player on that defense.
and how the hell is ray lewis slowing down, he in the best shape ever. and the ravens have the 4th hardest schedule in the nfl.
this comparison is weak.
like comparing jordan to pippen.
zach thomas is a better middle backer than urlacher.
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Urlacher is one of the greatest ever
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T-Matt said:
Did you even see the Bears against the Chargers and Chiefs?? Urlacher was all over and LT and Johnson didn't do shit. They were some of the lowest yard per carry backs in the NFL after playing the Bears. Urlacher is also in a conservative spot for his defense in pass coverage, which makes him seem less "dominant". He drops back 10-15 yards and must come up to keep the checkdown from getting YAC. He is ALWAYS around the ball, leading team in tackles and INTs and having 5 sacks, and isn't afraid to take on a blocker to allow Lance or Hunter to fill in and tackle. Hes the best in the NFL right now, but Singletary is the best ever no doubt.
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LOL, Ray is much better than Brian. Brian has neck issues, back issues, contract issues. Ray just goes out and drops people on their asses day in and day out, plus hes one of the most vocal leaders in the league. I can see people in the locker room walking away from Brian, I cant see anyone walking away from Ray Ray if hes talking lol.
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Of course they wouldn't. Ray has already been involved with two people who ended up dead. Although I don't believe he was the one who stabbed the two, it shows what kind of people he has hung around.
And what player doesn't have some health issues. It obviously didn't hurt his play at the end of the season. He still led the team in tackles and tied for tops in INTs. Ray is/was a great player, I just don't believe he's as good overall.
And what player doesn't have some health issues. It obviously didn't hurt his play at the end of the season. He still led the team in tackles and tied for tops in INTs. Ray is/was a great player, I just don't believe he's as good overall.
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