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Ranch owner loses ranch to illegal immigrants!

Razorguns

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OMFG! Can this nation get anymore divided?! LOL!

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050819/ap_on_re_us/immigrants_get_ranch

PHOENIX - An Arizona ranch once owned by a member of an armed group accused of terrorizing illegal immigrants has been turned over to two of the very people the owner had tried keep out of the country.

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The land transfer is being done to satisfy a judgment against Casey Nethercott, a member of a self-styled border-watch group who is serving a five-year prison term for firearms possession.

Morris Dees Jr., chief trial counsel of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which represented the immigrants, said he hoped the ruling would be a cautionary tale to anyone considering hostile measures against border crossers.

"When we got into this case, ranchers all along the border were allowing these types to come on their property," said Dees. "Now, they're very leery of it, especially when they see someone loosing their ranch because of it."

The ruling comes as the governors of Arizona and New Mexico declare states of emergency in their border counties, moves designed to free up money for enforcement while drawing more national attention to the problems of illegal immigration.

Nethercott was a member of the group Ranch Rescue, which works to protect private property along the southern U.S. border. In March 2003 he was accused of pistol-whipping Edwin Alfredo Mancia Gonzales, 26, at a Hebbronville, Texas, ranch near the Mexico border.

A jury deadlocked on the assault charge but convicted him of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Mancia and another immigrant traveling with him from El Salvador, Fatima del Socorro Leiva Medina, filed a civil lawsuit last year saying they were harmed while being held by Ranch Rescue members.

Named in the suit were Nethercott; Jack Foote, the founder of Ranch Rescue; and the owners of the Hebbronville ranch, Joe and Betty Sutton. The Suttons settled for $100,000. Nethercott and Foote did not defend themselves, and a Texas judge issued default judgments in April of $850,000 against Nethercott and $500,000 against Foote.

Nethercott transferred ownership of his 70-acre Douglas ranch to his sister. But the sister gave up ownership to settle the judgment when challenged by the immigrants' lawyers.

The transfer of the ranch outraged border-watch groups.

"If the federal government was doing its job, ranchers would not be living in fear," said Chris Simcox, President of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corp., a group that watches for illegal immigrant crossings and reports them to the U.S. Border Patrol.

Simcox noted that the Minutemen have a policy against touching the migrants and use video to document their patrols.

A message left for Nethercott's family and his attorney were not returned Friday.

Dees said his clients plan to eventually sell the property, which Nethercott bought for $120,000, but may allow humanitarian border groups offering aid to immigrants to use it for now.

Mancia and Leiva declined through Dees to speak to the media.
 
Just another example of illegals having more rights than natives. Who would have thought, white Anglo Saxons being considered natives.


What is next? Canadian-Americans??? Perish the thought. They would be lost without their socialized medicine.
 
fuck!
that's disgusting.
makes me throw up!!
this is not a racial problem, nor a cultural problem. This is a LEGAL problem. It's about common sense. You can't cross a border into other country just walking to the other side; and worst than that, you can't enter a country hiding from authorities, work without authorization, not paying taxes and sending the money back to nicaragua or whatever. That's an international crime and fraud and should be punished. That people is disgusting. They take every penny from here and then they wash their mouths talking about "my country" "my mexico"
This is why I'm a proud member of The minuteman project.
:bfold:
 
How the hell can you commit a crime on someone who isn't even there. In the government eye the immigrants were not legally in the US. They should therefor not have an legal US rights!
Fuck that. If that was my land I would have shot who ever came on my property.
*Unless it was a hot Mexican woman. I would have invited her in for drinks and then rented a room to her for a "reasonable" rate!
 
Hate to say it guys -- but us Americans are stupid.

Sure we're piggybacking off the hard work and smart idealogies of generations of americans before us -- but right now -- we're just plain stupid.

No wonder the rest of the world is making us our bitches. Soon our only value will be our ability to spend money and get fat.
 
slat1 said:
How the hell can you commit a crime on someone who isn't even there. In the government eye the immigrants were not legally in the US. They should therefor not have an legal US rights!
Fuck that. If that was my land I would have shot who ever came on my property.
*Unless it was a hot Mexican woman. I would have invited her in for drinks and then rented a room to her for a "reasonable" rate!

Well, there's a big, I mean BIG hole in our legal system. In fact, during year 2004 the cost to maintain illegal immigrants in the state of California was $190 BILLION. Believe it or not. That's mainly medicine. Besides stealing our pennies, Jose and Maria know that if they have a child born here, the hospitals are forced to give them medical attention. And since the new chalupa is born here, they have a legal cause to stay here. In year 2005 nearly 80 public hospitals will be closing in the state of California. Not enough budget to maintain them due to Illegal immigrant abuse.
Central American criminal gang M-13 has around 10,000 members operating in 30 states across the country. Almost 95% of them are Illegal immigrants. A special division of law enforcement was created to arrest them, deport them to Mexico only to have them crossing the border the next month again.

And guess what. WE ARE PAYING ALL THOSE CONSEQUENCES FROM OUR POCKETS. Act now. Grab your weapons, go out to the streets, spread the word, do whatever you want, but ACT NOW.
 
DJ_UFO said:
Well, there's a big, I mean BIG hole in our legal system. In fact, during year 2004 the cost to maintain illegal immigrants in the state of California was $190 BILLION. Believe it or not. That's mainly medicine. Besides stealing our pennies, Jose and Maria know that if they have a child born here, the hospitals are forced to give them medical attention. And since the new chalupa is born here, they have a legal cause to stay here. In year 2005 nearly 80 public hospitals will be closing in the state of California. Not enough budget to maintain them due to Illegal immigrant abuse.
Central American criminal gang M-13 has around 10,000 members operating in 30 states across the country. Almost 95% of them are Illegal immigrants. A special division of law enforcement was created to arrest them, deport them to Mexico only to have them crossing the border the next month again.

And guess what. WE ARE PAYING ALL THOSE CONSEQUENCES FROM OUR POCKETS. Act now. Grab your weapons, go out to the streets, spread the word, do whatever you want, but ACT NOW.

That's not the jist of it.

The big thing is the lowering of property values. Ask anyone who buys a $500,000 house in a nice suburb -- what he thinks of illegal 3rd worlders comin' in and taking up residence in their hood.

When it comes to buying houses and schools -- I -- along with other middle class americans -- go out of our way to find areas devoid of such illegals.

Hence the division across the board in major cities today. It's an epidemic and only weakening our country by creating "us vs thems". The USG is completely to blame. Can't fault Jose for taking advantage of such lousy enforcement.
 
Razorguns said:
That's not the jist of it.

The big thing is the lowering of property values. Ask anyone who buys a $500,000 house in a nice suburb -- what he thinks of illegal 3rd worlders comin' in and taking up residence in their hood.

When it comes to buying houses and schools -- I -- along with other middle class americans -- go out of our way to find areas devoid of such illegals.

Hence the division across the board in major cities today. It's an epidemic and only weakening our country by creating "us vs thems". The USG is completely to blame. Can't fault Jose for taking advantage of such lousy enforcement.


Of course bro we could be here all nite long making a list with all the chaotic consequences of this tragedy. The main cheap excuse they use to be here is "we do the job Americans don't want to do". Let me tell ya. Without beaners, we now for sure would have machines doing those jobs. Getting more funds from the government for technological institutes, creating new middle and big business and giving high tech jobs to thousands of Americans.
"if you take all illegals now out of the country, this would be all fucked up". That's right. If you take all the illegals right now out of the country, we are fucked. BUT, they didn't come here in one day. they came here over years and years of invasion. So what if we take them out over years and years of house cleaning?

This problem is worse than it looks...politicians will do nothing because they don't sacrifice votes. How we can manipulate them? showing them that actually the one that do something about it, get more votes. I don't care if John Kerry runs again. But if he tells me that my taxes go to law enforcement to arrest and deport these fuckers to china instead of giving them benefits, I'd vote for him.
 
DJ_UFO said:
This problem is worse than it looks...politicians will do nothing because they don't sacrifice votes. How we can manipulate them? showing them that actually the one that do something about it, get more votes. I don't care if John Kerry runs again. But if he tells me that my taxes go to law enforcement to arrest and deport these fuckers to china instead of giving them benefits, I'd vote for him.

Giving benefits to people who shouldn't be here -- INCREASES -- the tax burden on all of us.

Which is never a good thing. Governments and cities love illegals. Why? -- It allows them to increase their staffs, get bigger budgets, ask for more federal aid and justifies increased local taxes.

It's the rest of us that get ass-fucked by having to pay for all of these "increases" since the people deriving these benefits rarely pay taxes, or minimal at that.
 
I feel for you guys. We don't have that kind of problem in my little slice of heaven here. Other parts of Canada, I don't know. But you've got a thorny problem, alright.
BTW, I agree, how the fuck did 2 illegal aliens get rights in a U.S. court & get awarded $1.3mil + a ranch.
If anything, those Ranch Rescue people shold have got the same kind of penalty they give to J.D.'s, gangbangers, etc.
Suspended sentence, 1 year probation, 40 hrs community service.
This is how you create a unibomber/racist/survivalist. These ranchers now realize their generations of national support, tax paying, war fighting, means nothing to the government, when a poor illegel alien does something illegal.
They would be better off controlling the problem & allowing more legal immigrants. That way, it increases the tax base & doesn't create tension with the "natives".
 
Razorguns said:
You want our 10 million illegals and gangbangers down in san diego? We'll ship 'em free of charge. :)

Yeah, he can have all of the MS13 and South Side Locos wangs that have matriculated into the DC area as well.

Zig
 
Put together a posse and execute the locos.

We had some Peruvians via Lowell, Massachusetts who tried to set up a crack ring here. They mysteriously were found shot to death. Don't try coming back.
 
gotmilk said:
Put together a posse and execute the locos. We had some Peruvians via Lowell, Massachusetts who tried to set up a crack ring here. They mysteriously were found shot to death. Don't try coming back.
Y'know, I have one issue with peasant illegals, trying to make a better life. :worried:
I have entirely another issue with the scum that comes in with criminal intent.
I think your response was entirely appropriate. :evil:
 
West Florida has become a haven for illegals since Hurricane Ivan. One big problem is these guys aren't afraid to work. They'll bust thier collective asses on a roof for $8 an hour in August, live 10 to a room in an apartment, eating burritos and beer, and send every extra cent they make back to thier families in Mexico. I think they are noble for that.

That said, contractors should be asking the US government for assistance with visas for workers. I could tolerate them being here a lot more if they came here legally to work, paid taxes on what they earned and became members of our society. Right now, they use all the benefits of being an American, with none of the responsibility that entails.

If the State of Florida would crack down on hiring practices amongst building contractors and fruit farmers, the problem would go away here, as they would have no access to income. They don't have access to government welfare and other programs in this state. But local and state officials look the other way to keep the housing market moving.
 
I would have no problem if they came over legally. Its the illegal part that I don't like. My cousin is trying almost everything to get his wife to come over legally and working his way through the system. Kudos for him.
 
EnderJE said:
I would have no problem if they came over legally. Its the illegal part that I don't like. My cousin is trying almost everything to get his wife to come over legally and working his way through the system. Kudos for him.

I have an uncle who spent a year in Russia and married a young mail-order style bride. Having all kinds of trouble getting her here legally.
 
People don't realize that CRIMINALS also love coming here. The rewards are very luractive in the crime field here. Plus it's easy to skip prosecutation in their home country.

Of course pro-illegal advocate don't want to talk about the murderers, rapists, ex-rebels, drug dealers and thieves that also jump the borders. Doesn't help their cause.

If you're a lowly drug dealer in brazil -- which country will make you more money? easy answer.

A quick look around LA County jails gives u the answer.
 
Mr. dB said:
Vigilantism doesn't pay.

But it helps you sleep at night.
 
deltreefitness said:
Are all illegal immigrants Mexican or Hispanic? You'd sure think so from this thread.

A few are Swahilis.
 
deltreefitness said:
Are all illegal immigrants Mexican or Hispanic? You'd sure think so from this thread.


From everywhere. But mostly from Mexico and South America. Anyway, all of them should be deported to tijuana and build a big electrified wall in the border. Build it with my taxes? Hell yeah!! I would even work as a volunteer to build it.
 
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